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post Aug 9 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 9 2013, 02:39 AM)
You're rite on the economy issue. Julia didn't approve on the mining area. Hence, China also play around with Oz that the agreement didn't sign. Whole country thought if the deal is on, they'll go another few years honeymoon. These ang moh thought this could last forever.
It's a recession issue now, I saw some managers from mining actually working in supermarket. Asking them how come working here, they just answer kena fried, what to do?

I sent 60+ jobs app. 2 come back for interview. Ratio pretty low. Now i have to change plan by go thru network. Hopefully can help.
Damn, 1st job app. is ganasai. Some recruiters are quite tiao geh.
Some same job posted by different recruiters. Seems market really slow. Hopefully election would change something
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Many recruiters in seek.com.au just trying to farm CVs and not really have the job on hand. I still can see the same old job appearing after 2 years

Try linkedin if you don't mind. IS quite useful here in Australia. I received few calls from recruiters through linkedin
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post Aug 9 2013, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 9 2013, 11:16 AM)
Many recruiters in seek.com.au just trying to farm CVs and not really have the job on hand. I still can see the same old job appearing after 2 years

Try linkedin if you don't mind. IS quite useful here in Australia. I received few calls from recruiters through linkedin
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Do you add recruiters or upgrade your linkedin to premium? Just wondering.
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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 9 2013, 01:40 PM)
Do you add recruiters or upgrade your linkedin to premium? Just wondering.
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Just a basic account. Recruiter will look for someone that have a complete profile(mine just half complete) and contact you directly. Some also add me whenever I send my job applications through the recruiter.

Anyway, it looks like set for me to go back Malaysia. My IELTS yet again failed(6 in writing again). I am thinking to open my own business in Malaysia but I guess is too early for me as I don't have the experience. Good to be in Melbourne but sad to leave this nice city :/
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post Aug 9 2013, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 9 2013, 08:33 AM)
How long have you been applying for jobs nemesis? And is your line the highly skilled kind or the generic ones like mine, accounting?
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Less than 2 weeks. Seems i don't have much choice have to choose this china company.
I received a 2nd interview this coming monday. I think mainly is talking about the pay and the working hours.
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post Aug 9 2013, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 9 2013, 11:16 AM)
Many recruiters in seek.com.au just trying to farm CVs and not really have the job on hand. I still can see the same old job appearing after 2 years

Try linkedin if you don't mind. IS quite useful here in Australia. I received few calls from recruiters through linkedin
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Some recruiters are nice and some very tiao geh. I really wanna screw them sometimes.
They keep on repeating you don't have Ozzie experience. When i checked with my friend who worked here, they mentioned that our MAlaysia experience is far better, thanks to cover mountain cover sea concept...haha
My friend telling me if the Ozzie work in malaysia in lower level, they'll die sooner....
I used linkedin too. Seems no many opportunities inside. Try to go through the network but unsuccessful

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post Aug 9 2013, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 9 2013, 11:48 AM)
Just a basic account. Recruiter will look for someone that have a complete profile(mine just half complete) and contact you directly. Some also add me whenever I send my job applications through the recruiter.

Anyway, it looks like set for me to go back Malaysia. My IELTS yet again failed(6 in writing again). I am thinking to open my own business in Malaysia but I guess is too early for me as I don't have the experience. Good to be in Melbourne but sad to leave this nice city :/
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As i told u, get IELTS from KL. I think should be easier brows.gif
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post Aug 9 2013, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:31 PM)
Less than 2 weeks. Seems i don't have much choice have to choose this china company.
I received a 2nd interview this coming monday. I think mainly is talking about the pay and the working hours.
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Wow.....a job within a month. That's pretty good don't u think for the sake of Aussie experience? Btw, what's the job role like? I will be migrating early next year.....dunno can get a job or not also sad.gif
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post Aug 9 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(T3N5AI @ Aug 29 2011, 12:34 AM)
I'm in da construction field rite now. Do u think I stand a chance against da Aussies?

Job, I don't think it's easy, but to be honest, to me, it's da same in Malaysia and Australia. I started with nothing in Malaysia, I think I can start da same way in Australia.

Some say discrimination, but yet, aren't we in da same situation here in Malaysia?

I think for everything, da start is da most bitter part. As time passes, everything will straighten out. 

My point would be da same as others. 1k Aussie saved is 3k RM saved when brought to Malaysia.
Da math is easy. I work 1 yr in Aus equals to 3 yrs in Malaysia. I mean, y not?
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This type of simple math calculation wont work out..trust me..
Lets not talk about aus, you can ask opinion from few people working in sg and u will understand.
Unless you going to Aus in group, otherwise good luck in ur accom and daily expenses.
I had been there for couple years.

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post Aug 10 2013, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:49 PM)
Wow.....a job within a month. That's pretty good don't u think for the sake of Aussie experience? Btw, what's the job role like? I will be migrating early next year.....dunno can get a job or not also sad.gif
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I'm a quantity surveyor with 10 years exp in construction industry. I sent 70+ job apps and sometimes it's really frustrating.
I made cold calls direct to company on job vacancies. I think would be easier instead going thru recruiters coz if u get employed, recruiter gonna charge the employer something like 1 mth pay. Some employer reluctant to pay this money so they keep on interview candidates like few years and not employing.
As i told u previously, recruiters pretty tiao geh. Called so many and they keep on on saying no local exp no job.
My friend has local exp here telling me malaysia exp is far better and more complicate than Oz. He also don't understand the reason.
Matter of fact, now Oz under recession but is well prepared than year 2008 which really shit that time.

My advise is don't give up. Stay positive and aggressive. Take whatever junior post or even trainee also take coz u need so called local exp. to get better pay.
Some people here work like dogs in 1st year and later they jump to other company, pay will be slight increased. Hah, so much for the local exp.
Try apply whatever job relates to ur profession then hentam only. The worst is u can't even meet the interviewers. Got interview 1st, talk later.

Don't mind the substandard job coz u need to survive. It's enough to pay ur rent, grocers, gadgets even cars if u're hardworking enough.



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QUOTE(smsseah5 @ Aug 9 2013, 11:09 PM)
This type of simple math calculation wont work out..trust me..
Lets not talk about aus, you can ask opinion from few people working in sg and u will understand.
Unless you going to Aus in group, otherwise good luck in ur accom and daily expenses.
I had been there for couple years.
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As far i know if ur math in Mas/Sg is below intermediate, u'll high score here...hehe. For people who's above intermediate, u're genius and get scholarship here.
Not necessarily go by group. If u come alone, also no problem. Just mentality wise is try to look for malaysian or singaporean immigrant community so that u're not alone here. They'll recommend or go thru networking to help u thru. No worries.
Malaysian not that bad my friend. Try to mix with locals, learn the way their expression and you're not far.
At 1st Perth seems ok to me...but now a bit bored. Driving my friend's car go downtown and running around. Perth is just like Penang...but Penang far more entertaining. Yeap, for job sake and buying house and family, it's the best place. For young man....hmm, melb or syd perhaps biggrin.gif
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post Aug 10 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 10 2013, 08:15 AM)
I'm a quantity surveyor with 10 years exp in construction industry. I sent 70+ job apps and sometimes it's really frustrating.
I made cold calls direct to company on job vacancies. I think would be easier instead going thru recruiters coz if u get employed, recruiter gonna charge the employer something like 1 mth pay. Some employer reluctant to pay this money so they keep on interview candidates like few years and not employing.
As i told u previously, recruiters pretty tiao geh. Called so many and they keep on on saying no local exp no job.
My friend has local exp here telling me malaysia exp is far better and more complicate than Oz. He also don't understand the reason.
Matter of fact, now Oz under recession but is well prepared than year 2008 which really shit that time.

My advise is don't give up. Stay positive and aggressive. Take whatever junior post or even trainee also take coz u need so called local exp. to get better pay.
Some people here work like dogs in 1st year and later they jump to other company, pay will be slight increased. Hah, so much for the local exp.
Try apply whatever job relates to ur profession then hentam only. The worst is u can't even meet the interviewers. Got interview 1st, talk later.

Don't mind the substandard job coz u need to survive. It's enough to pay ur rent, grocers, gadgets even cars if u're hardworking enough.
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I agree. We can't be picky going to other people's country. Actually when they say local experience, what they really want? Any job as long as in Australia? Or a similar role that would be relevant to the current role you are applying?

I actually had done some work in Melbourne. I was assistant bookkeeper part time in Melb during my 3 years uni and also a student consultant for ANZ bank for half a year. I am planning to go back to Melb early next year as I am not too sure how much of my exp here locally at PwC will help. Tats y i think migrate the earlier the better. I only have about 2 years exp in my current job though tongue.gif
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post Aug 10 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 10 2013, 11:19 AM)
I agree. We can't be picky going to other people's country. Actually when they say local experience, what they really want? Any job as long as in Australia? Or a similar role that would be relevant to the current role you are applying?

I actually had done some work in Melbourne. I was assistant bookkeeper part time in Melb during my 3 years uni and also a student consultant for ANZ bank for half a year. I am planning to go back to Melb early next year as I am not too sure how much of my exp here locally at PwC will help. Tats y i think migrate the earlier the better. I only have about 2 years exp in my current job though tongue.gif
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What ur profession?
The working exp they require is a local exp in Oz. If your Oz exp doesn't relate to ur work, it means nothing to them either.
That's y even a company require a trainee in ur profession, better take it as it can be highlighted in ur CV.
Please bear in mind, if u're off ur job profession more than 2 years, they won't even consider ur profession with 10 years exp coz u're off too long.
So, as advise, no matter how, try to apply watever related job to ur profession even it's a junior post.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:25 PM)
What ur profession?
The working exp they require is a local exp in Oz. If your Oz exp doesn't relate to ur work, it means nothing to them either.
That's y even a company require a trainee in ur profession, better take it as it can be highlighted in ur CV.
Please bear in mind, if u're off ur job profession more than 2 years, they won't even consider ur profession with 10 years exp coz u're off too long.
So, as advise, no matter how, try to apply watever related job to ur profession even it's a junior post.
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Interesting enough, I dont think every company would prefer local experiences. I have only done vac work back in Malaysia but I managed to land a graduate job very much related to my vac work.
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post Aug 10 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:25 PM)
What ur profession?
The working exp they require is a local exp in Oz. If your Oz exp doesn't relate to ur work, it means nothing to them either.
That's y even a company require a trainee in ur profession, better take it as it can be highlighted in ur CV.
Please bear in mind, if u're off ur job profession more than 2 years, they won't even consider ur profession with 10 years exp coz u're off too long.
So, as advise, no matter how, try to apply watever related job to ur profession even it's a junior post.
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I'm an external auditor. So I guess my previous work experience are within the accounting/business industry. I am aiming for graduate positions actually because I think most probably my 2 years audit experience won't mean much to them as its not in Australia. So hopefully they are able to see that although I have no local experience but at the very least has some experience so that I am better than local graduates with zero professional experience. Thats the so called advantage I hope that they will consider. I'm only below 25 this year but not too sure age matters in getting a job or not
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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 10 2013, 01:52 PM)
Interesting enough, I dont think every company would prefer local experiences. I have only done vac work back in Malaysia but I managed to land a graduate job very much related to my vac work.
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Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:57 PM)
Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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Engineering. Haha but the recent batch of China people in my university speaks fluent english, even better than us Malaysians O.O
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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 10 2013, 03:57 PM)
Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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To be honest, they are more careful towards Indian resume. Even India employer want to clarify with university to ensure the qualification is genuine

QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 10 2013, 04:01 PM)
Engineering. Haha but the recent batch of China people in my university speaks fluent english, even better than us Malaysians O.O
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I don't see that as I'm working in education industry. And Korean joins them slowly
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 10 2013, 02:25 PM)
To be honest, they are more careful towards Indian resume. Even India employer want to clarify with university to ensure the qualification is genuine
I don't see that as I'm working in education industry. And Korean joins them slowly
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The newer batch of China Chinese, not the current batch that is or already graduating. Well it highly depends as well, my batch of china chinese can't really speak fluently anyway.
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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:57 PM)
Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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It came out in the paper that now accountant is oversupply now. My accountant friend has been jobless since last november. So better be well prepared coz my wife also an accountant back home. I also worried that she may not find a job here.
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QUOTE(snoopdog17 @ Aug 10 2013, 01:57 PM)
Care to share Soony on what line you are in? I do agree that not all companies are so biased towards local experiences. As experiences are still experiences. If they do doubt our experience, they can discount our experience and still hire us as we will be put under probation anyway. I'm thinking that somehow students from China is giving employers a bad experience with poor English etc. Prob why when an Asian resume pops up, we are overlooked. Then again, I might be wrong.
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As highlighted before, the problem is u can't even meet up with interviewer at 1st place. If they wish to meet up then there's 50% chance of success

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