Well, all the occupations you mentioned have their own regulatory bodies. As my friends from the US say, too much regulation. Breaking out of your current job scope usually entails a significant investment of cost and a lot of uncertainty.

Plus all the jobs you mentioned need you to deal with people face to face, that is another issue as Aussies generally have a hidden streak of "politically correct" racism and a general aversion to newcomers.

Hey, you could make it from there to restaurant owner. It happens quite regularly as you learn the tricks of the trade. People switch vocations quite often over here. Our sales consultant used to be a fitter mechanic, our production manager an electrician and so on.

Australians don't have a really rigid "job expectation". The night manager at the IGA I used to clean at was a psychologist.

Money is definitely worse by a mile in the UK. Plus how do you even get a visa these days?

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Like my colleague used to work in Sushi Sushi in Melbourne and become store manager after that but in the end he has to leave because of the pressure from upper level.

Also, waitress in the fine dining restaurant could earn more than you back in Malaysia. basic is low but the tips are hefty. She doing part time in one of the world's best restaurant called Attica and can earn $50-55k annually including the tips which is tax-free. So don't ever look down to those waiters/waitresses

You seriously don't know the economy in UK(or Europe) is much more worst than Australia huh? There are not enough jobs for them and they have to get a working holiday visa to Australia to hope for a sponsorship.

Economy maybe bad in UK, yet I see half their workforce are foreigners. I just came back from a 3 month secondment in London .

Not the first time, Australians seem to like to pressure their asian workers. I don't know if its because they are high performance (but i heard that Aussies are lazy, is that true?) or they just hate Asians. I got a friend who migrated there, worked as a migration lawyer, he was doing ok, except for the incessant scoldings and pressure from his white lady aussie boss, then another friend who works in a bank - she tells me taht because she's asian - she frequently get excluded and the work culture there is whoever is the most popular survives (like Hunger games) and another friend who work as a surveyor tells me that he work for his aussie employer for 3 years but they only made him do paper work for approvals and photostating job - prevent him from going out to do field work because they had more favour for their white workers to do the favouraite assignments.

Oh yes, $50k annually is really high salary, sure my earnings can't match that but cost of living in msia is much lower than Australia. Last time I stayed in Australia was 10 years ago so I don't really know the cost of living there these days. But if you are living in a one room studio apartment, renting for $3000 per month, say in Melbourne, $36k goes to rent annually. We haven't even gone into food cost, transportation, clothing, GST and taxes. $50k ain't a lot for Australia standard.

How to get a visa? Work for a british company where the HQ is in UK. But hey I am not that lucky.

I don't mind changing careers, from my vocation to become a restaurant manager but what if suddenly Australia go into bad recession in 10 years time? Then I've been a restaurant manager for 10 years, out of job, can't find a job? Then have to come back to Malaysia, i find myself in a different league. Restaurant manager aint a big thing in malaysia unless I plan to open my own signature restaurant.

Already the boom in China is slowing down. A forumer is telling us that Perth is experiencing some slow down and he plans to move to other Aussie cities to look for job. Things seem to be unpredictable at the moment.

What I can see here is Aussies are indeed lazy but they are smart when there are opportunities. No doubt Asians are kinda bit disadvantaged but hey, I know you will do the same in Malaysia too (eg. give chances to local than foreigners like bangla,indon,etc).

Nowadays, most of the companies don't really care about the race,etc. My friends, who mostly are architects, working in a small company and their bosses actually like to hire Asians because they are capable, can handle stress, fast and efficient whereas local will take their time, like to ban bosses ideas and pretty much stop their works 10 minutes before end of working hour. Even in my working place, 30% of my team from Asia, 40% from local another another 30% from other countries. They only care whether you can perform and contribute. Also, why hire local when you can pay much lesser to foreigners with same skill?

IMO. cost of living in malaysia and australia is about the same. You earn and spend here then will be fine. Eg, You earn RM4k per month and the house cost you RM400k. You earn AUD$4k and the house also cost $400k. Each have their owns.
Foods are expensive in Australia compare to Malaysia but most of them cooking from home.Electronics are cheaper if you earn in Australia ($1k for 55" TV compare to RM5k in Malaysia for the same TV). Cars are way cheaper(overrated Honda Civic in Malaysia cost RM110K but Australia only $20k). Travelling to oversea is achievable earlier if you earn in Australia.

$50k of course not enough if you have family but is enough if you just out from university or few years experience. Also, not sure if the mentioned $3k per month for rental is just an example but no way a studio apartment can reach that amount. I can easily rent 3 br apartments in the Melbourne city with $3k.
I am now living in 1 bedroom apartment(not studio) that cost me $1.5k per month and only 10 minutes walk to my working place in the city. $150 for electricity(every 3 months), $80 for internet, $40 for water(every 3 months), and $30 for phone bill. Malaysia have cheaper rent but exp for cars,electronics,etc and work out both countries are actually almost the same.

But the most important thing is Australian residents(PR and citizen) can get equal benefits like medicare, first home buyer redemption,etc and I only can get those in Malaysia if I am a Malay

I could be leaving Australia to Malaysia soon due to my visa issue and I don't even dare to think my situation there. I don't have the power to purchase electronics frequently, can't get my dream car, stuck on the jam everyday and have to save many months of salary just for travel. The only good thing is I probably can get a house with my savings here

Talk about cost of living, i did research and observe on the price tag for groceries in KL. I actually paid the value of AUD in dairy products. Even it's local production, they put the price tag same as imported goods. Ex. Milk cost me RM11/bottle for 2 litres which is extremly expensive. I pay AUD2 for 2 litres here. Thanks to our inflation back home and don't forget we have our own milk!
Most Malaysian back home still thinking working cleaner or supermarket is something which is shame of or treat it as sub-standard job. If they manage to pay u AUD25/hr, why not? They even got training course to train u so that u could have passion and will have a good career with them. My housemate who was IT guy shines successfully in Woolworths. He's branch manager now. He got 2 houses and cars and forming family. Why not??
I even knew that some cleaners work for 5 years manage to form their own cleaning company accepting contract to clean the offices. Hey, that's a damn good business!

Hey hihihehe, i've checked with my friends here, IELTS issue u better take from KL. My friends here have the same issue as yours. Resit paper for 3 times coz they need band 7. Most of them going back home to take the test.
Put double effort, u wouldn't want to go back KL to stuck in jam again, are you??I've gone thru that and very tired of the worklife and traffic there. It's hectic!

Its a substandard job becuase of its (lack of) career opportunities.
Yes it pays higher at 25/hr but what are your chances of being promoted?
Some do, most don't.
Sure you heard sucess stories (like those who went on to open their own cleaning services) and I'm not saying there isn't any.
But for every 1 that suceeds, thousands of others fail. The question is do you want to gamble your future?
If you're working as a cleaner in Aus there is no turning back. You can't come back to M'sia and waltz into an executive position with the same pay dollar to dollar.
You are stuck. Dead end.

I mean, those who qualify for a PR are probably degree holders studying on Aus.
If they would to go back to M'sia and work for a bank/MNC i am quite sure they will earn much more than the cleaner in 10 years time.
Of course there are always execeptions but again the question begets "do you want to gamble on your future?"

So what's ur suggestions?

Don't take up such jobs if you are a uni degree holder.
There are still plenty of oppurtunities back home.
Work in something that adds value to your career in the long term and then if you really want to go back to Aus, it will be much easier.

No point wasting your degree (paid with your parents hard earned money) only to end up being cleaners or supermaket cashiers (no disrespect to those jobs) just eaking out a megre living in a foreign land. You won't get to save much anyway with 25/hr over the long run.

Hmm, Ielts thing is very debatable. For reading and listening it makes no different, but I guess it does for writing and speaking. I would always advise friends to take locally in Australia as you'll be competing with other people from China and Arab (mostly). If you're taking it in Malaysia, you are actually competing with competent people waiting to go overseas to study. These are just my point of view, I just did my Ielts yesterday and true enough there's lots of Arabs and China Chinese, heck they dont even speak english.

What makes you think that if they can't succeed here they can succeed in Malaysia? People always say, high risk high return.. be optimistic.

I personally have no problems getting a visa to the UK. My work with DART Energy up in Aberdeen helps though. But for the current layperson without an offer, how to move leh? The reality is that no one is going to sponsor you out of the blue lah unless you've been in the workforce for years and have contacts.

My 2 cents is that no industry is recession proof. If CSG goes down the drain and I have to go back to Malaysia after 10 years in this industry, what would I do? There are a lot of things people can do. Be flexible, I mean if you're a cleaner and hold 2 contracts that's an easy 100k a year, provided you've been in the business long enough and know people. I have a cleaning subcon named Micheal and he used to be a SAP consultant in Sydney. We both know the cleaning money is good.

Be flexible with what you do, your degree course doesn't determine everything. I'm an electrical eng by qualification but most of my work is in completions and telemetry. Sometimes I even spec flow, piping, gaskets and so on. If you want to survive you have to be multitalented and willing to learn.

Err.....'bang. Isn't the 'horizontal refreshment' industry recession proof???? good times or bad times, men are willing to pay if the price is right

Not really lol. I used to drive people to knockshops, hookers have it as bad as everyone else when the economy goes down .

They used to pay me 30-40 AUD as commission for every person I brought them. Good Times

Ur opinion may not be untrue, however, I don't mind to get hands dirty or doing sub-standard job here but for the sake of children's education and healthcare.
As a parent of 2, i will make sure they have their education and healthcare here which i've working out so many years back in KL with so much money wasted there. Thanks to our bolehland.
Imagine that u're working in KL and yeap you could earn your hard earned money but dont forget you gonna pay for something like RM300,000 for a kid to a uni.
I read news back home when some bunch of outstanding STPM students with full A's being rejected entering local uni. WTF?!? Not to mention their scholarship.
The lesson tells us that if you're bright and genius, there's no way you could enter uni or scholarship in bolehland. Even you really did, you'll end studying some other course which you're not expecting to study.
My closed friend was offered a subject in UM for Spanish language while actually she's try to get engineering or accounting. She got STPM 3As and graduated. Now work in a small company as office administrator. This is just the tips of an ice-berg.
Supermarket and hypermarket is a recession proof. I remember US recession few years back. Most firms collapsed while Walmart has its growth every year. People losing their job at that time while they are hiring people almost everyday

Its easier to suceed back home coz u got home advantage. You know the people, the culture, the pitfalls. Most importantly it is easier to secure a good job if u are a grad from aus.

But you forgot to mention the rights of the employee.
How many hours you spend with your family per day,week or months?
If you're not relying your family financial backup, based on your own, how many can succeed?
Yeah, i have a good job and a high salary back home. But i lost my children's childhood where i only could see them less than 2 hours everyday. Both of us r working to keep make sure the food on the table

You should first learn how to sing《 I Still Call Australia Home》...

Your situation is different. I'm talking about fresh grads straight out of uni. 1st they dun have a family. Second you will probably want to see less of your family if you're not bringing in the dough. If you get my drift.

I wanted to but a bit too late for my case. My result will be released this week and I worried about my speaking as I was nervous for no reason that day. EOI invitations were being sent out today and apparently people who have 60 points in IT occupation are not included in this round whereas other occupations are fine. I would assume that DIAC is holding off the IT applications for a moment as it is filling very fast