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koinibler
post Sep 14 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 14 2011, 09:19 PM)
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Although I've google what 'moving average' mean, just understand it so-so. So, conclude, its an average of price on the duration.
So, the best time get into equity market is during 'recovery' or 'bearish' period hmm.gif

A good half hour just to understand 1 post rclxub.gif .


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:38 pmCan we get the data for moving average (MA) anywhere or Mr. Wong, you do it with your spreadsheet?

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post Sep 14 2011, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Sep 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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From QFR, most (NOT ALL) PM equity fund has around 12% annualized return for 10 years.

So, the PROBABILITY is there.

Hopefully, 10 years is a short time for you.
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post Sep 14 2011, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 14 2011, 07:08 PM)
Maybe prepare a little bit for 500points kua. Unlikely to happen i guess.
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If drop to 500, it will be repeat of 1997, not 2008 already.
That time KLCI 1200 to 200, now 1500 to 500.. 1000 points out of the market.

Coffin shop will be opened 24/7 because there will be a lot of people giving business already, lolz.

I had a few personal friend who is investing with me, now waiting to poach for the good chance. Also same plan, the fund split to 3 part, no DCA in this case.
Once reach 125x, first 33% in.
Then, 1100, another 33%
Below 1000, another 33%

Goes below 800, OD and other financial support tools will come in to hoot..

I believe if he hug this for around 2 years.. Will become half millionaire.
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post Sep 14 2011, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Sep 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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ya,its was proven by some funds. the returns wil higher then EPF over the time.

PM me if u need any guides. go to EPF scheme in my signature.
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post Sep 14 2011, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 14 2011, 10:48 PM)
ya,its was proven by some funds. the returns wil higher then EPF over the time.

PM me if u need any guides.  go to EPF scheme in my signature.
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EPF no use already lar.
Those who got EPF, u can opt to cash them out and put them into mutual fund already (But with a condition, invest at the right timing)

The reason I encourage you to cash out EPF is because EPF is being abused by the high ranking people.
EPF is used to fried shares that are held by cronies. Eating up at premium prices. This is very pathetic, because those are our money.

2008 to 2010, market return more than 70% in general, some reaching more than 100%, but what did EPF give u back in return? The latest yield is 5%++.. Don't you think this is pathetic? How they use your money to joke around.

But remember.. Any investment, do not do it in a hastily manner. Timing is important. If you are greedy now, you are going to eat your own greediness only.

Timing is the key.. Remember.
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post Sep 15 2011, 06:27 AM

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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Sep 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
totally newbie here
skim thru some pages and see few posts mentioned to use EPF to buy funds

just curious
let say EPF annual interest 5%
is it meant that these funds very ez to outperform EPF?
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Good precaution, any investments U do with EPF, even for paying down mortgage or education with A/c 2 should beat 5%pa with a healthy margin.

Having said that, some funds do perform better & some worse than EPF's 5%, based on historical performances of 3, 5 and 10 years. Be aware that one loses 0.25% to 3% straight away when moving $ from EPF to mutual funds. Thus, time * good long term performing funds are required to beat 5%pa compounded.


Added on September 15, 2011, 6:40 am
QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 14 2011, 10:36 PM)
Although I've google what 'moving average' mean, just understand it so-so. So, conclude, its an average of price on the duration.
So, the best time get into equity market is during 'recovery' or 'bearish' period  hmm.gif

A good half hour just to understand 1 post  rclxub.gif .


Added on September 14, 2011, 10:38 pmCan we get the data for moving average (MA) anywhere or Mr. Wong, you do it with your spreadsheet?
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Hehe sorry yar. I usually don't spoon feed, thus I expect ppl to Google a bit for basic stuff like moving averages tongue.gif. TQ for taking the time & effort to understand.

Best time to get in based totally on Trend = accumulation phase
Coz either left/right/stay in same phase = still going up, remember the high probabilities?

Best time to get in based on Trend & value = recovery phase. U r spot on
Best time to get out based totally on Trend = distribution phase
Coz either left/right/stay in same phase = still going down.

Raw data for personal tracking of trends can be from newspapers for KLCI EOD points or exported from stock booking online systems. For specific mutual funds trend, U can get NAV from online or yr agent with access to price history system. Throw these EOD / NAV into an Excel and cook tongue.gif. Please be aware when cooking fund's NAV that the during distribution of dividends, it will does the trend downwards & thus, U may get faked out that it's in a -ve trend

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post Sep 16 2011, 07:58 AM

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Sharing one article .

How Value Investing Works in Unit Trusts?
Value investing was first introduced by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd in 1928. It has been well-practiced by one of the world most famous investor, the Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway- Warren Buffet. How can investors be like Warren Buffet when comes to unit trust investment? Find out more here.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=1592
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QUOTE(milentechie @ Sep 16 2011, 07:58 AM)
Sharing one article .

How Value Investing Works in Unit Trusts?
Value investing was first introduced by Benjamin Graham and David Dodd in 1928. It has been well-practiced by one of the world most famous investor, the Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway- Warren Buffet. How can investors be like Warren Buffet when comes to unit trust investment? Find out more here.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=1592
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Nice - especially on looking at the fund's underlying theme/benchmark index/stocks.
IMHO, a fund is too convoluted to evaluate value - heck stocks already tough to evaluate, think of a basket of stocks AND U only know these basket of stocks AFTER the fund house prints & send U the quarterly reports! Thus, looking at the fund's underlying theme/benchmark index/stocks is one of the best & fastest way to judge value.

However I suspect they skewed the article for "advertising & marketing" purposes
Note that they showed the UPSIDE potential only in their table, where's the downside potential?
Sorry to nitpick but as a cautious and value investor, methinks one should also look at the down side - like momma says, Look left AND right before crossing the road tongue.gif

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I had quite some articles for readings as well..


Articles and Readings
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Hi

I'm interested in doing DDI for my equity fund
however can i do a DDI from a bond fund? how much is the service change for a DDI from bond fund to unit trust?

but firstly is that even possible?

my agent recommended me to open a unit trust and a bond fund. so i can transfer money from both funds.
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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 09:25 PM)
Hi

I'm interested in doing DDI for my equity fund
however can i do a DDI from a bond fund? how much is the service change for a DDI from bond fund to unit trust?

but firstly is that even possible?

my agent recommended me to open a unit trust and a bond fund. so i can transfer money from both funds.
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DDI is from your saving account to your unit trust either to be equity/bond/money market fund.

No service charge for DDI.
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post Sep 18 2011, 09:31 PM

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but how about doing DDI from bond fund to equity fund? do i need to pay any fee or something?
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post Sep 18 2011, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 09:31 PM)
but how about doing DDI from bond fund to equity fund? do i need to pay any fee or something?
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I never hear of doing DDI between funds in unit trust. Please double confirm with your agent.
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post Sep 18 2011, 09:36 PM

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hmm maybe its not called DDI. she said instead of doing DDI from savings, just transfer money monthly from bond fund to equity.
i cant rmb the benefits already.

but if it acts as normal transaction, i still need to pay rm 25 right?

might as well i do DDI right?
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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 09:36 PM)
hmm maybe its not called DDI. she said instead of doing DDI from savings, just transfer money monthly from bond fund to equity.
i cant rmb the benefits already.

but if it acts as normal transaction, i still need to pay rm 25 right?

might as well i do DDI right?
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Paying RM 25 is called switching not DDI.

Switching is to transfer certain units from one fund to another fund. Basically for investors to lock paper profit or to change portfolio due to change in market momentum.
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post Sep 18 2011, 10:19 PM

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hmmm ok. i guess i just do the normal DDI and not do dollar cost averaging by switching rm 200 from bond to equity

btw what do u mean lock paper profit? smile.gif
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QUOTE(bhwx @ Sep 18 2011, 10:19 PM)
hmmm ok. i guess i just do the normal DDI and not do dollar cost averaging by switching rm 200 from bond to equity

btw what do u mean lock paper profit? smile.gif
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DCA can be done by frequently topping up into a particular fund such as performing a DDI (every 8th or 18th) or manual top up in monthly basis.

DCA, DDI and switching are totally different concepts. Please understand each of them before doing anything. There's a min amount to adhere before a successful switching can be done. Switching from bond fund to equity fund will also impose 5.5% service charge since the units are low-loaded units.

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Terms and Conditions of Switching
Switching of units is considered a withdrawal/redemption of investment from a fund and an application to purchase units of another fund.
Switching of low-load units of bond/money market funds into equity and balanced funds will be subject to service charge.
Switching of loaded units may incur switching fee (of up to 0.75%) which is deductible from the redemption proceeds. The net proceeds will be processed into the "switch to" accounts based on the NAV per unit at the close of the business day:
For switching request made within 90 days of the date of purchase of units/switching into the fund, a switching fee of:
- 0.75% or minimum RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from equity/balanced funds.
- 0.25% or minimum RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from bond funds.
- RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from money market funds.
For switching request made after 90 days of the date of purchase of units/switching into the fund, a switching fee of RM25 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds.
For Mutual Gold & Elite Members, the 18 and 30 switching entitlements valued at RM25.00 each can be used to offset switching fees incurred. For eg; if the switching fee incurred is RM75.00, a switching entitlement of RM25.00 can be used to offset the switching fee, thereby unitholder only incurs RM50.00 on this switching transaction.
Switching transacted before 4:00 pm on any business day will be processed based on the closing NAV per unit of the same business day whilst switching transacted after 4:00 pm on any business day will be processed based on NAV per unit of the next business day.
Switching for foreign funds transacted during non-business days of the funds will be processed based on pricing determined at the close of the next business day when both the Switch From and Switch To funds are opened for trading.
Public Mutual reserves the right to reject any switching request that it regards as disruptive to efficient portfolio management; or if deemed by Public Mutual to be contrary to the best interest of the fund. Switching requests which are rejected by Public Mutual would be treated as a redemption of units from a fund and a rejection of application to purchase units in the intended fund. As such, unitholders will receive payment of redemption proceeds in the event of a rejection in switching requests.
For full switching, please advise the bank to cancel your Direct Debit Authorization immediately.
Successful switching transactions will be processed within 2 business days.
Please contact our Hotline 03-6207 5000 should you require further information.


Paper profit is unrealized gain also known as paper gain.

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post Sep 18 2011, 10:49 PM

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hmmm kk noted smile.gif thanks alot mate. great help smile.gif rclxms.gif
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I plan to buy a new equity fund and have a DDI for it. My agent suggest me to buy PUBLIC SOUTH-EAST ASIA SELECT FUND. But, when I check performance of the fund, seems like Total return of the fund since Commencement till end-date is not really good. I know that 1 of reason is, it launch at 2007.

May I have some comment on the fund? Thanks...

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