Leekk8,

So, how do you classify the one blue chip bank stock that pay 6% dividend?? High risk or low risk compare to unit trust?

<<LOW RISK, LOW RETURN. HIGH RISK, HIGH RETURN. THIS IS ALWAYS TRUE!!!>>

Not really. If you are NOT smart about how to do your investment, you can get high risk and low return at the same time.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 23 2006, 11:25 AM

Also, there is forex FD which offer better return rate than ringgit denomination eg. AUD - 5.5%
NZD - 6.8%
USD - 5.2%
(Not exact but roughly)

The main risk is currency depreciation and loss during the exchange.

Actually if one is wealthy enough should spread his/her asset a little bit (Just my opinion) since ringgit isn't as strong as other currency like SGD or AUD. Also economy wise, Malaysia isn't perform well for the last few years. Although BNM and gov keep stressing that GDP growth 5-6%, the actual business situation out there is not that as good as they mentioned.

Dreamer,

Typically, that's true. Everything is fair in this world...How much you gain is how much effort you put.

If you study about investment and know very well on it, sure you can reduce the risk by maintaining the return.

If you know nothing about investment, just choose stock like gambling, then the risk is high while return is low.

Blue chip is considered low risk investment...It won't give you more than 20% return I guess...The risk is when the economy of Msia went down like 97. Sure UT is lower in risk, as you won't loss that much if economy went down, compared to blue chip...

hi guys... i was wonderin how does index fund works... i.e. S&P 500.... where d fund manager will invest in all 500 stocks in d market....

i was thinkin to invest index fund overseas... but d prob will b d foreign exchange for RM wit US dollar... wats u all think???

hi guys... i was wonderin how does index fund works... i.e. S&P 500.... where d fund manager will invest in all 500 stocks in d market....

i was thinkin to invest index fund overseas... but d prob will b d foreign exchange for RM wit US dollar... wats u all think???

I'm not too sure how is the RM performance now. You may need to do some research on this.

For index fund, the manager will invest in the index stock only. For S&P500, ya, he will invest in 500 stocks only. Since the index is depending on the 500 stock prices, your fund price also will follow that.

For example, If the fund manager invest in KLCI Index fund, he would place his money in all the 100 stocks in the SAME WEIGHATGE as those stocks carry in the index.
By doing this the fund return will be very close to the index movement. Hope I didnt mislead u guys

Leekk8,

1) I am saying choosing stock or Unit Trust has the same level of risk in Malaysia.

2) Thank you very much. During 97, this counter do much much better than my unit trust. The UT is higher in risk at least in my case.

3) 50% of KLSE is owned by GLC and GLIC. So, do you really get diversification by buying index fund?? KLSE is dominated by a few indutries and company anyhow. It does not really represent Malaysia's economy.

4) In Malaysia, you need to be even more careful choosing UT. Or else, the fee will kill you first.

Dreamer

Cherroy,

The mortgage interest rate in New Zealand is 12%. I have a cousin in New Zealand. They do not have much money in New Zealand. So, if you have relative in New Zealand, you can open FD in NZ and get even more interest than 6.8%. But, bear in mind, NZD is weaker than RM. So, you have forex risk.

Dreamer

One of the reason why u lose money in UT is simply bcoz u dunno the substantial investment by that fund.

Beside that , u dunno to switch when market is bad. U have no enough experience in UT or maybe u choose wrong agent.

If u know how to switch , i think u can earn more dividend than if u just put your money in the fund untouch.

Hotlink,

1) I admit I do not know how to play Malaysia market.

2) If a person has to switch and know how to switch regularly, won't the person be better served by stock as opposed to UT?? The person will be hit by 5% every times that he/she switch??

3) If a person has to swicth regularly, then. he/she is not investing. This is speculation/gambling. Not everyone can play this kind of game well.

Dreamer

Stock? If u buy stocks how do u switch? u just can sell the stock . But if u buy UT then u can switch from the equity fund to bond fund if the invested subtaintial company of the fund drop a lot.

Since bond fund usually just grow up ( buy pure bond fund ) bcoz of the interest of the bond, so when the market drop, example u switch your 10k from the equity fund to bond fund, then u still can maintaince your 10k and get some interest of the bond fund.

When u think the market is almost the reach the bottom line, then u can switch back to the equity fund since the NAV of the equity fund is low then u can manage to get more Units. AND the equity fund will grow very fast.

Earning from the bond fund and a lot units from equity fund will make your return great.

As i know, Public mutual UT is free of charge from switching equity fund to bond fund, while rm 25 will be charged if u switch from bond fund to equity. So it is quite little if compared with 5% u mention.

This not gamble, just how you manage your portfolio well like if you buy stocks, u need to have a clear bottom line for u to cut your stocks even is a nice blue chips

Imagine if a blue chip drop from RM10 to rm 2, if one person cut loss at rm 9 and use that 9k to buy back at rm 2 , then when the blue chip grows up, he will earn a lot. Dont simply keep the stock and think that you wouldnt lose a cent if u never sell the stock.

I would like to emphasize again switching is not gambling in UT.

"As i know, Public mutual UT is free of charge from switching equity fund to bond fund, while rm 25 will be charged if u switch from bond fund to equity. So it is quite little if compared with 5% u mention.
"

if not mistaken, free switchin is onli avaiable once a year of investment and it depends on d fund itself....

but afaik, there is no free switch for public fund, correct me if im wrong...

Hotlink,

Let's take an example, I have a blue chip stock that pay dividend yield of 6% at RM6 which is around RM0.36 per share. Let's say the stock drop to RM2, it still pays RM0.36 per share. To me, I am still collecting dividend yield of 6%. Why should I sell?? In fact, at RM2, the dividend yield had gone up to 18%. I will buy more shares and hold.

I make money when I buy NOT when I sell.

If you buy a share at certain price with good dividend yield, as long as it still pays the same dividend, you really do not care what the current price is??

Dreamer

I agree with Hotlink.

Switching is a way to manage our portfolio and optimize our return in UT. If the service charge of 2 funds is same, there's no any charge when switching. This is the case for most fund houses. It's a good way to manage our portfolio that we switch to bond funds when market is going low, and switch back to equity funds when the market is going high.

For sure, blue chips have lower risk...but most of the blue chips price is high...not everyone is afford to buy blue chips. In fact, there're many people buying small share and thinking want to earn fast cash. In this case, the risk is very high.

I just feel that, if you know nothing about share, better don't get involved. If you not clear about the UT process, please just save your money in FD.

Anyway, I think that dreamer101 is very good in share market...so maybe you can share with us, how to choose a good stock to buy...

Leekk8,

I am not good in Malaysia share market. I lost so much money in Malaysia market (unit trust plus stock) that I have only confident to buy one stock in Malaysia market now.

So far, the conclusion seems to be that you need to know how to time the market in order to play in Malaysia market.

Dreamer

Dreamer101,

I agree with you that we do not need to bother the price if we get a constant dividend from the stock.

Anyway, does anyone can guarantee that the stock will distribute dividend all the time? Dividend is not a must thing for common stock holder...it's not like bonds' interest.

The important thing is, study the financial situation of the company, no company will give dividend if their business is not good...

how much u has lost??

Dreamer,

I think it's important we study about the company before we buy the share. We have to study the financial statement and their management as well. As I say, there's no fast cash we can earn in stock market. How much we earn depends on how much effort we put.

Try to study the market trends and financial situation of the company, then we will know which company is strong in finance and can give us returns although the market is going low. By study the market trend, we can even manage to get more returns by buy low sell high.

We all are learning together now...

Any pointers or tips on how we should start to learn investing ?