What if it's on-stage lighting? Flash is more or less an ambient killer..

Hahaha I like the flash answer.

But if flash nt allow. Then VR will be handy.

There's a lot of if, better than none imo

D3S + pump crazy ISO

Should take care of it i guess

and lose out on the 'free' telephoto range of DX? nah.
what would be nice tho is if the upcoming D400 has the same viewfinder design like the D2x / FX models, but with full and nice 100% view.

i think 17-55 is going to be my one and only regular zoom lens for awhile.
now waiting for nikon to release 100-300 f/4

It really depends, even if when flash is allowed, flash fill isn't always the answer to all low-light shots.

True enough, but yeah, IF ONLY I can afford a D3s/x/y/z right? lol

D4 and no need to crazy pump iso.

D400 = My aim. BBB

This taken early this year, decent i guess




Only stage light with tokina 50-135mm F2.8, no vr lens

Given if stage situation, using 17-55 or 24-70 will be relatively lack of reach. I bet these two lenses aren't mean for those. If that's the case, the 70-200 VR will be much more suitable.

Isn't the D7000 already equipped with 100% viewfinder? In long run, I hope to reach FX and keep the DX as my backup

Not if when you are at the photographer's pit...

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Added on September 5, 2011, 12:17 amNice shot, but for this case study, the subject was lighted with 10 flash guns aka a flood light... so, yeah, not really a good example

and by the way, this is the exif for that pic..

Camera Nikon D90
Exposure 0.006 sec (1/160) <--- sure la no shakey issues...
Aperture f/4.0
Focal Length 135 mm
ISO Speed 1600
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Flash No Flash

I'm not going to say that even without VR/IS you can't get sharp images at longer focal lengths. I'm just saying that it will definitely be a whole lot harder, where on other other hand, if you DO have VR/IS, you'd be glad you have it.

This post has been edited by lwliam: Sep 5 2011, 12:21 AM

yea, but its rectangle viewfinder.
D2x even tho DX has a nice round viewfinder.
would also take those eye cup addons nicely that ppl like to put on D90 / D7000 without causing vignetting thru the viewfinder.

Haha the stage light was quite bright

Yet to experience such situation... but... given that kind of situation where you'll hit 1/15 even at f/2.8, I bet you'll have problem focusing too.

Round viewfinder?

FX has different type of viewfinder? I do not know at all

Googled. Yeah, D700 has a round type viewfinder. Any advantage over rectangle type?

This post has been edited by vearn27: Sep 5 2011, 12:26 AM

can put nice round rubber eyecup

nope.. not unless you know where to look for a place for your lens to lock focus to. Here, let me give an example


sorry size a bit big

f/7.1, 1/30s, ISO800 (the highest I dare push on my old A100), 70mm, no flash...

I could push the f-number a bit lower, but my old sigma 24-70 wasnt that good at smaller apertures, so yeah...

This post has been edited by lwliam: Sep 5 2011, 12:39 AM

umm, doesnt the A100 have in-built image stabilization?

maybe i add one almost similar settings using my canon s90
f/4.9, 1/30s, iso800...iron maiden ftw



This post has been edited by Everdying: Sep 5 2011, 12:47 AM

Apologize in advance if I'm wrong, given at f/2.8 ~ f/4, with that kind of lighting should be able to hit at least 1/60 at ISO800 ~ ISO1600, isn't?

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Added on September 5, 2011, 12:47 amAll Sony's DSLR equipped with SSS (Super Steady Shot) if I'm not wrong.

This post has been edited by vearn27: Sep 5 2011, 12:47 AM

yes it does, so technically, it stabilizes all lenses, my 24-70 included... notice why i didnt mention sony in the comparison?

but yeah, my point was made moot with my own image, but it still stand if we're just talking about finding for a place to lock focus on even at dim/dark (in this case, backlighted) situations as i was telling vearn about..

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Added on September 5, 2011, 12:50 amyeah, i know where you're getting at, if i used f/2.8, that'd be 2 2/3 stops brighter and the shutter would be at 1/200s, but I was referring to your question on focus lock

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Added on September 5, 2011, 12:55 amand if you also think a bit deeper, 70-200 f/2.8... hmmmm... no VR? IS? hmmmm....

This post has been edited by lwliam: Sep 5 2011, 12:58 AM

Never has experience with that kind of stage light yet, but couple of times I back focused when against a subject with bright backlit

Well, only short focal length with f/2.8 from Nikon has no VR while the tele lens such as 70-200 has it.

forgot about the 80-200?

Old ma

Anyway, do you think Nikon will refresh 17-55 with N coat?