Really? I'm curious, which part of Camry makes you feel that it is a total piece of dated garbage?

Toyota should really considering hire you as their chief designer.

Wondering why garbage car are so popular? Maybe most Malaysians are not as smart....??

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Added on March 20, 2012, 12:27 amBravo, great thought! I totally agree, if Toyota is sooo smart to sell different league/level cars with same price, it will be so nice rite??

I also concur that, if BMW 5 series and Merc E class can be offered with the price range of a Camry, they are also great choice! Maybe they can be as good as Mondeo and Passat, or the great K5 perhaps...?

This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 20 2012, 12:27 AM

Bro, donno u blur or i blur these features present at Passat cc or Passat? Do u know Passat cc & Passat are 2 different cars?

I drive CC up n down.. I donno it can park by it self.. .. and I dont think it will..

wah, all the hype in new camry, we all getting the same old 2.0 here. even the altis has better spec than the camry 2.0 G now. only camry is bigger and probably more comfortable and of course you pay more.

then again , looking at the thailand website. it seems that the focus is on the Camry hybrid rather than the 2.5 and 2.0G versions.

they have 3 choices of hybrid.

but what ever is it. it is still camry. the best selling car in the world. but maybe now no more. hehe.

well hope they increase the price for every model, looking forward to it.

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Added on March 20, 2012, 6:12 pmhey, just realize something, i thought the current 2.4 has keyless smart entry liau, but this new 2.5G has no smart key entry. NO VAC, or VSC, 2.0G has no reverse sensor? betul kah?

i think cannot follow thai spec liau, dont think it is accurate. Unless if it is true, i be damm!,,, toyota memang boleh!

This post has been edited by sonyman: Mar 20 2012, 06:12 PM

definitely our spec and thai will be different. as thai highest spec will be the hybrid. but in msia we wont have hybrid for camry as our tax exemption for hybrid is below 2.0cc. thus our highest spec will be 2.5 petrol version. i assume keyless, vsc etc will be slot in for 2.5cc version.

No reverse sensor? <--- is this a JOKE?

To me, this so call all new Camry isn't really all new after all, it is using back the same chasis and platform, same engine for 2.0 version and also same gearbox for 2.0 version, the slightly obvious changes are for the 2.5 version, different engine and different gearbox and that's all, nothing special. when compare to the new Camry with the current gen, I found the current gen is much newer in outlook design, the new one really cannot be called new when the look is already the most outdated one when compare to Sonata, Accord, Teana, Mondeo, Passat, K5.... and even the current gen. So should we call this a "facelift" rather than "all new"?

talking about spec....just admit that you are going for the look...and actually the new one kinda look like lexus bro...they admitted that they recycled some unused lexus design to fit in to this model...just wait for the actual launch in malaysia la...the chassis retuned and the gearbox is diff la....'the gearbox features flexible logic for torque converter lock-up that can allow the converter to provide some slip to no slip at all, depending on the situation.'....search online...even the suspension is done up to fit our world best quality road.. ..and those of other countries of course....handling aren't the best la but consider one of the better one in class if you search more for the review....definitely better than k5 and sonata lo...korean cars still not that level yet man...just like japanese...still catching up with the german after so long...and if you really know how to test it of course....i found that many know how to talk but know nuts about car performance...
camry is not a car for wow....toyota pass the job to toyota markX....if you check their japanese website....the 2012 version target is to make ppl feeling as bringing their living room to the car...that was their intention...and what most of the camry buyers wanted....

however have to admit that malaysia version is damn low spec....that's why i never look at one...lol....what to do....we are poor country....why are we getting poorer?

If i'm not mistaken, the Camry is using the cheaper dual link rear suspension, while all other D-segment vehicle already using Multi-link rear suspension. So somehow felt that Toyota is abit stingy when designing the car, I personally have driven the Camry a lot of time and I found the handling is the worse among D-segment cars, but no doubt, it is also quite comfortable to drive, but when driving fast on highway, the floaty feeling is quite scary as well.

err...dual link suspension = multilink suspension bro....

guess you're talking about torsion beam suspension?

symbol of toyota ma....durability....what's the main advantages of torsion beam suspension?
1.higher durability
2.easier for manufacturer to tune
3.require less room space->contributing more interior space
disadvantages = handling
how to improve?use better quality bars....lol....

multilink suspension advantage = better handling
disadvantages = hard to tune by manufacturer and eating up room space...


if it's so easy to tune Lotus won't be famous for their handling....


however most non performance cars using multilink suspension the are on solid axle...not the independent multilink system...marketing gimmicks....

This post has been edited by jaymansion: Mar 21 2012, 07:55 PM

Malaysians go after resale value, reliability and image. Those things are great (or perceived to be great) with Toyotas.

The car itself can't compete with the continental competition, even though it is better spec'ed (and generally better) car in Europe (as the Avensis) it does just ok. In America it does great, but I guess mostly because there the Camry comes with all the bells and whistles and safety features (+ very good crash test results) you'd expect AND it is competitively priced. Unfortunately the Malaysian Camry is anything but all of that.

I checked what is possible on the regular Passat, however those features may not be available here, so I admit it is a bit unfair. In other countries the Camry is a better car, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SATcfmH1fY&feature=related (You may want to skip ahead to get all the camera angles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKhBHtAV3w&feature=related (How it looks like sitting inside the car)

Thanks bro for all the effort of explaining to me about the controversy. Really appreciate it. Indeed what you had mentioned is unbiased and more rational.

I do understand that BMW 5 and Merc E are not in the same league with Camry..... the reason I compared them was because someone was hoping Mark X to be sold same price as Camry.... LOL..... I do hope that Panamera can be sold as Camry's price, and it will make all other D segments in the market looked like garbage, rite? So using lung tissue to speak rather than using brain tissue is at times very entertaining....

I was just amused by some of the 'talented' replies by others who described Camry as a 'piece of outdated garbage'.... hahahaha! Thus I am very confused, why so many people buying garbage car, not only in Malaysia, but other countries as well?? wheres those brilliant exciting cars (like Mondeo) are so rare on the road.... something is not right here.... either the majority who buy garbage car are mentally not rite, or the minority who knows about cars are errr.....nevermind..... I dunno......

Besides, what's the biggest joke of those know-very-much-about-car people, they keep persuading others to buy car brands which are so rare on the roads, and only god knows whether they will actually buy one themselves with their hard earned money. You may also see certain people keep persuading others to join them pursuing car brands that are still having not so impressive track record, perhaps hoping that in future if anything unwanted event happen to their cars, it will be easier to find victims for group therapy session.....

People, what's wrong of buying a car who provide you comfort ride, reliability, resale value, after sales service, peace of mind etc.... with someone's own money??? not everyone is chasing the best handling car, multilink suspension, double wish bone, turbo, top speed, high speed turning capability..... if these things are so important, please, by all means, go and get a Lambo, Ferrari, or Porsche.... you shouldn't buy a 'family' sedan.

Everyone has his/her priority, no need to condemn others just because they prefer uncle's car/garbage car, rather than joining the clever folks buying Mondeo, K5.....etc

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Added on March 22, 2012, 1:47 amBro, very well said.... very well said........!!!

This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 22 2012, 01:47 AM

^ sry if what i said earlier up there regarding camry was a dated garbage.... just expressing the disappointment of hearing that the 2.0 model is just another facelifted version of an already 10 year old engine and gear box.....

maybe to somebody it is nothing but spending money like 140-150k for tat old technology isnt really worth it.

But if u r mentioning the 2.4 than it is a much different story (though it is introduce also at xv30 camry model). And the new Camry 2.5 is gonna used Dual VVTI and new gear box.


As for Mark x overseas just using the china new car price (in china there are known as Toyota Reiz), there are selling it at roughly RM102k for the lowest spec new car while the Camry 2.0G specs over there is roughly 100k+- (but this comparison is unfair lah i know, Since Malaysia has those AP and tax thingy Mark X not gonna be sell at that price here)... i just express it out earlier becoz i feel that we are treated serious unfair, and some country are selling mark x and camry sight by sight with the price tag so near i dun think why we cant compare both of them.

This post has been edited by 300078: Mar 22 2012, 07:51 AM

Here also have mark x mah.... But the skin already change and the badge is Lexus... Lol

i think the reason japanese car is selling well in US is because they are relatively cheaper to buy/run/maintain comparing with european car, and US doesnt really use Diesel so economic european car cant really grab a market there.

Premium european car are doing pretty well though. Bimmer, range rover,Mercs.

look at peugeot, until now their product is not reliable enough(i guess), so they still not going to go to US market. Lemon law is no joke.

The American buying thing very toward practical.... As long as the product is good/reliable they will buy... They don't really care what what brand... 10 years ago... Fuel price going high, Toyota gain the momentum of their car in the us.... Now.. Trend going toward Korean......

Please pardon my ignorance and naivety......

A brand new Mark X selling at similar pricing with a brand new Camry in a few countries?? Wow, it's a great news! Cause i always thought Mark X is higher league than Camry in terms of vehicle status...?
Would you kindly enlighten me which countries are they? I'm very keen to know, sincerely.

As far as I know with my limited knowledge, in Malaysia, under the current tax structure, a brand new Mark X will never be sold at the similar price like a brand new Camry, simply because, one will be CBU, and one is CKD, (without even considering the vehicle status), so comparing them as rivals in Malaysia is as good as hopping a Porsche selling at Toyota's price.

he is talking about high spec Camry vs a lowest spec Mark X....

Yes bro, and this will effectively make Mark X become another outdated garbage as well? no???? it's exactly what is happening now, they are comparing higher spec-ed rivals to lower spec-ed Camry... of course the rivals need to be sold at lower price, they don't have the brand image. Who will buy if they are selling their cars at the same price point or higher price point??? Probably my IQ is too low to understand.....

hope the new camry local CKD quality is good like the acv30 and not like that current acv40 which assemble in thais... drove for 2 years... front wheel bearing? replaced.. rear spring?? replaced... i think u guys dunno that the rear spring starting to collapse after just 1 year without carrying goods in the boot...

Thais made camry are actually worst den malaysian made.... coz i drove the malaysian made acv 30 for like 2 years b4 changing to the new 1...

PS: I only compare the quality not the performance.. u can throw this car away if u want to compare performance.