Well, I drive French cars, although I'd seriously consider a Ford. Actually I hope to get to drive a new Focus Turnier soon...

I think people call the Camry garbage because over here Toyota tries to rip us off. They sell truly outdated cars at premium prices, and worst of all people are actually buying them. And why do you need to buy a Ferrari when you want good handling? A proper sedan can give you good handling too, combined with a good, relatively comfortable ride.

What I don't like is this buy sell buy sell buy sell mentality. To me that says you are buying something that isn't good, so you try to get rid of it soon to get something better. Well... why don't you buy something better in the first place then (as there are some in the same price range)? You could drive a new Kancil/Viva every year. Or you buy a better car in the first place and keep it a while. In the end if you go for the Viva you'll still just have a Viva, even if it is the latest generation it still won't be as good as the decent car you could have bought many years ago.

I do agree that after sales service is important, that's the reason why I wouldn't buy any computer but a Dell (unless I build it myself). Peace of mind and reliability... yes, not that unimportant perhaps, but Toyota seems a bit overrated.

If you want outdated tech... spend maybe 100k on a few year old conti, put the remaining 50k on a bank to pay for repairs (likely not to be used up, but even if, that's what that account is for). Get to drive a better, but just as modern/outdated car.


So you are paying just for the brand? Great. I'll take the off-brand one then, especially since Ford and VW are rather experienced in making cars.

@eng98: So many problems after less than 2 years?! Why exactly is Toyota having a good image?!

@sct: I'm not a big VW fan. I don't like their clutches, I think the ride is too uncomfortable. The engines and DSG are nice though, safety is good (as good as overseas Toyotas), build quality is decent, even if the QC is a bit... shoddy. But underspec Passat? No, they do not offer everything that is possible. But the Camry has a torque converter gearbox... 4 speed some more? Those were modern... 30 years ago. The world has moved on, the Passat uses a 7 speed DSG. Traction control and ESP (VSC for Toyota) are missing from the Toyota, features that are a standard in some B segment cars. 6 airbags (mh... 4, but cover the area of 6), again missing from the Camry it seems, again standard on at least one B segment car. 8 Auto adjusting bi xenon with curve lights on the Camry? The Camry tech was old 10 years ago. Now it is prehistoric. The new Yaris (Vios hatch) in Europe is much more modern than the Camry 2.0. I mean... what the ...? The only good thing about all of this is that any SC will know how to deal with the car. They are used to it anyway.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 26 2012, 01:23 AM

Is it true that UMW is now clearing the 2.4 Camry (2011) at approx RM15x K?

2AZ-FE is quite a good engine...

Mercs, Porsches and Rolls use the old designs because they are ICONIC.. hardly can say that about a camry..
and they at least have direct injection and turbochargers, dual clutch gearboxes and all those safety features in their lowest marques
hell even proton has them now, so why shouldnt toyota at least respect the driving community of Malaysia and give us what our money's worth

In this world, any merchandised item having more brand image will sell with higher price point compared to other similar products which don't posses similar brand image, this is a fact. It is not that we like to look at brand, but the market rule will eventually make us to do so. Of course, if you want to go against the normal flow, then you can totally ignore the brand factor.

You know what's called double standard? For RR, Porsche, Merc if they use old design it is forgivable, understandable just because they are iconic? If Toyota use, then is garbage, because it is not iconic enough to do so? again because the brand..... Why you don't condemn RR, Porsche, Merc for using old tech but still selling at high price point and ripping off people's money?

Of course, I totally agree that Toyota should provide the latest tech, fully loaded specs cars to us (and continue to offer at similar price point, better, lower price point ya?), and by doing that, the price will definitely hike to a higher point, so who will still buy if Toyota's price is near to a premium Conti car? Even it may offer same level of tech? Again this will be the brand effect again.

Anyway, I don't intend to continue the issue as these are all 'chicken and egg' types of topics, everyone has his/her priority, those who think Toyota is garbage, just shy away from this brand, there are so many non-garbage brands out there to choose.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 26 2012, 11:02 AM

true that bro. +10000. personally, i have nothing against other car makers (except proton maybe) but come on, 'they' act like whatever 'they' bought are better than the rest of the world.



This post has been edited by Kalist0: Mar 26 2012, 10:29 AM

the Camry 2.0 deserve an update..... at least to something like Altis 2.0v 3ZR-FE and not retain the 10 year old 1AZ-FE.

But this argument cannot continue on loh.... so u like u buy loh. I will be keeping an eye on the 2.5 version which is a much newer and better spec camry.

The 1AZ-FE has been used for the last 2 generations of Camry, so if this new gen Camry still using this engine, that's mean 3 gen already. And Toyota actually also facing a lot of problem in those less brand-oriented market such as China, heard the new Camry the first month sales also not really good, only around 15K units, while the 2nd month the sales dropped to around 12K++ units, so this months, the third month, they estimate the sales will be even worse, seem like Toyota have to get the FL as soon as possible.

When you buy the same kind of egg for rm1 and rm5 of course there is a difference, value for money. Not everybody is as rich as you.

the head lamp like batman

From Toyota sales person's info: new Camry will launch on 3rd quarter 2012, is that true??

Japanese car having problem is not new.. not news at all... ...

Guy, latest news from my friend who work in Toyota assembly plant!! 7th Generation Camry 2.0 in Malaysia will use back the same engine and transmission.

IF you can ask your friend who work in toyota assembly plant about the 2.5L camry...how many srs airbags? any VSC and TRC??

Is it just Camry dropping sales figure or the drop trend is across various brands? You sure is due do public acceptance and not some other factors? Statistical figures can be misleading if you do not interpret carefully.
Those so called : I heard, you heard, he heard are merely myth without proof.
Maybe next time when you quote figures, kindly provide the link as well?
China car sales

And maybe someone is kind enough to look at Camry 2012 sale figure in US until March? Is Camry's sale doing very badly in US?
US car sale figure

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Added on March 26, 2012, 6:32 pmDude, pardon me for my question, I thought you had expressed yourself clearly that you personally prefer Mondeo and Passat? Why you still want to keep an eye on the garbage brand?

I think you had just showed everyone that, a typical act in LYN forum, which is in spite all the keen effort persuading others to be adventurously buying certain brand, when come to spending your own money, you still look at the conservative safe bet despite it's a garbage brand which is notorious of ripping off people's money for years?

I'm sorry for being direct......

This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 26 2012, 06:33 PM

Dude, this is true, you can try to google for the China's Automotive February sales figure for 2012, the Camry which is all new, should be in "honeymoon" period, which the sales figure should be around 20K units and keep steady across a few months time, but seem like the problem is the first month in January was 15K units, the 2nd month the sales dropped to around 13K units, which is Toyota is quite worry about this sales figure. Compare to the last gen, this new gen is just uncomparable to the last gen which the first few months the sales figure was like 22k++ units.

Brother i think u miss one of my post tat I mention the disappointment is on the 2.0.

i personally feel the new camry need to increase its price, especially the 2.5V to about 185K, to 190k then hopefully they retain as much as possible, normal 6 speed, dual Vvti, that will be best to uphold the resale value.

very important for camry buyers and current owners.

Anyone know which country specs+features will camry Malaysia follow? I heard that Hong Kong? Hm....One Toyota sales man told me it is going to launch around May and June.

If follow HK specs would be good....

Ugly!!! I think the uncle also can't accept the new Camry!!