If I am not mistaken, the cheapest wagon is V50. But, it's nearly 200k.
BTW, previously, I am also considering a few SUV like Escape/Everest and Fortuner.
But, friends and families are against me.
Hence, I ended up with Camry --- large space and may look luxury according to most ordinary people, to make wifey smile.

You may have driven 1000km non stop. But, I have to drive 1600++ km several times a year, and each time with heavy traffic jam, and also need to carry kids. Moreover, only one third of the journey is highway, and the rest include villages and mountains.

I noticed that this festival season, no more complaints from my kids. No more nausea. Just sleep along the way. So, I can drive without disturbance from them.

Huge engine + soft suspension + huge space = less tired.

Hence, I can say that this car is good enough at least for me and my family. Of course perhaps the continental is better (I have mentioned earlier in this thread that I admire a Volvo and Audi) --- my brother is driving a 407, parents and also in law using merc, but since I am far away from KL, my stands is I would not waste my time just to have my car re-lube. Furthermore, for 180k, I only get a small entry level continental car.

Well i think that if comfort was important for you over safety & value for money then the Camry suits and uve made a good choice there. The Camry is a comfortable car and its suspension is tuned for comfort compared to many other Conti and Korean cars.

But i think u should not be mentioning the engine capacity anymore as its a redundant argument which doesnt really hold much weight as many of our more seasoned LYN members have pointed out that the trend now is low capacity engine = more power = more efficiency. I think its a more valid reasonfor you to say that u chose the Camry 2.5V model over the 2.0G model because of the newer engine, 6 speed transmission and slightly better specs but to go on talking bout 'a huge engine' without any definitive reasons behind it, may not be appropriate.

The same goes for interior space as everybody knows the Camry isnt the car with the biggest interior space in the D segment category. The Teana, Accord & Mondeo all have more interior space while the Optima has about the same space as your Camry. But where space is concerned, the Camry is still acceptable.

But since u say 2/3 of your annual journeys are in kampung areas, then all the more reason why VSC should be important for you regardless of the speed u drive. And since you ferry your family and kids around alot, shouldn't safety be a priority for you?

And 1600km a few times a year is nothing for many people. I drive 430km a week bro which is why getting a car with an unlimited mileage warranty was important (but not paramount). And many other professional people in regional roles put in the same amount of miles in a few months than you would in a year.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 4 2012, 09:11 AM

Teana: The steering is too soft like other Nissan.
Accord: Like sitting in an aeroplane cockpit. Too many buttons. I am a kind of conventional man.

Huge engine: A 6L Bentley is not meant for performance.

You're not comparing apples to apples. Try putting a 1.4 into a D segment car and see.

While in general the contis are heading towards smaller and more efficient engines, they can only achieve the power by incorporating turbos. Long term wise any idea how is the maintenance for turbos?


430km a week = 22,360km per annum. That's just a bit above average isn't it? The general rule of thumb is 20,000km per year (which is often what the warranties are pegged at).

I think in your case, you definitely would have been better off just buying an Estima or Alphard. Both equally comfortable and spacious. Especially if its a full spec Alphard/Vellfire! Power doors, captain seats, DVD entertainment, reverse camera etc all built in. Maybe the Ford S-max also would have been a fine choice but perhaps no Ford service center in your area.

Nothing better than having a mobile living room on the go

Yeah, these are small intangible factors (outside of the usual specs and accessories) which can influence a person's decision. But this is a very subjective area and up to each person's preference.

They did.

http://content.volkswagen.com.sg/passat-1-4/

Only in Singapore, LOL!

But, we have enough of MPV.
BTW, Estima and Alphard for 180K, second hand only ma.

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Added on September 4, 2012, 10:30 amBecause towards the end, it is you and your car.

This post has been edited by kepalapening: Sep 4 2012, 10:30 AM

i think u can get abt the same performance as a C segment car conti. Look at jetta, kerb weight rated at ~1.4 ton, at the same weight as jap/korean d-segment

VW 1.4tsi turbo engine fitted into jap d-segment ~1.4ton might get u the same performance of the jetta, my guess.

Yeah those are spacious and luxurious. Only downside is the fuel consumption... I guess u can't have everything

Any idea of the fuel consumption for the Alphard/Vellfire?

As for the S-Max, spaciousness not in the same category as Alphard. In particular the last row is too cramped for my taste.

And not suitable for daily use.

europe oso got, but that is a different engine than the 1.4 turbo in jetta/golf/rocco

Ok and how does the performance compare to the Camry 2.5?

Respectable enough it seems -

Here's some facts according to their brochure

0 to 100 in 10.3s

Usable torque will kick in very fast compared to its larger sized rivals.

200Nm @ 1500RPM - 4000RPM

I think FC can't be that great since the car is so heavy!

No point talking about features because this isn't sold here.

So, bigger engine is needed right.

As usual, I will say you will never go wrong with a Toyota car. Ample spare parts and no need to worry about limited service centers. On top of that, a reliable car to get you from point A to B comfortably. Can last you 10 years easily.

Anyone know the 0-100 time of the Camry 2.5?

While the time of the Passat 1.4 is respectable, my point is simply whether a 1.4 engine in a D segment car will "easily beat" the Camry 2.5.

In terms of FC, comparatively with the smaller engine the Passat 1.4 does 15.6km/l vs 12.5km/l for the Camry 2.5. But this is to be expected.

But bigger engine also equal more weight and more weight also equals worse fuel economy. In this case, the 1.4 TSI engine is turbocharged to give it those power and torque figures. If it uses the same Golf TSI engine then it will be supercharged as well but it doesn't seem to be the case.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you if it will have better FC than a 2.5V Camry because there's too many factors involved to consider but if anything, it should at least give the car as good fuel economy as any 2.0L NA D-segment cars.

You must ask yourself: "needed for what?"

If you want more power, yeah in general a bigger engine will give you more power.

If you want more fuel efficiency, in general a bigger engine will not give you better fuel efficiency. U can compare the consumption figure of the Passat 1.4 vs Camry 2.5 which I have posted above.

This post has been edited by jchong: Sep 4 2012, 11:09 AM