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 Are property prices going to up further? V3

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post Sep 30 2011, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(KLsooner @ Sep 30 2011, 03:25 PM)
Flippers are still buying within their mean as long as their financial statement showed to the bank is REAL. You can flip as long as your income can support you to do so.

The one that cause the family debt ratio so high are those playing with cash flow way aka Robert Rich Dad way. They use tenancy agreement as income prove to loan more. Those with income of 3k to 5k can loan up to 1M or more. Some legends here already exceed 2M with this method.

Even with tenancy agreeement accepted as source of income, I dont think the banks are strictly follow their 1/3 monthly income rules. When bank officers dont follow rules, thats worry me. Remember how subprime happened when loan agent didnt follow rules.
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man, you aint see nothing yet. 1/3? it has been 3/4!
and i have seen someone swiping 3 credit cards to pay for a unit's dwnpmt.
another one rush apply new cards pay for another.

when maybank ceo wahid talks in public about the need to clampdown on cards and personal loan, you know it is very serious:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-maybank-chief/

can deny forever... bolehsians and rich and fine - like greece....
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post Sep 30 2011, 06:32 PM

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yup, i have seen this card swiping as well
later then do 0 percent balance transfer lo.
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post Sep 30 2011, 07:05 PM

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any shops units at reduced price lately. want to buy more...prefer KL area. eg klcc, ampang, pandan, maluri, setapak, gombak, wangsa maju, melawati, sentul, jl ipoh, batu cave, sri gombak or nearby.. easier to manage.

pls PM me.


Added on September 30, 2011, 7:20 pmpls PM if it is a really good bargain buy. eg 20% lower eg 2.5 mil , and now 2mil sort of things..

This post has been edited by lucerne: Sep 30 2011, 07:20 PM
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post Sep 30 2011, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 30 2011, 07:05 PM)
any shops units at reduced price lately. want to buy more...prefer KL area. eg klcc, ampang, pandan, maluri, setapak, gombak, wangsa maju, melawati, sentul, jl ipoh, batu cave, sri gombak or nearby.. easier to manage.

pls PM me.


Added on September 30, 2011, 7:20 pmpls PM if it is a really good bargain buy.  eg 20% lower eg 2.5 mil , and now 2mil sort of things..
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your pocket so deep, good for you can pick up bargain soon ... from the stock market it's seem like a lot of money flowing out from asia ...recently monitor hong kong equity dropped like 20-30% in a matter of weeks
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post Sep 30 2011, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 30 2011, 07:06 PM)
man, you aint see nothing yet. 1/3? it has been 3/4!
and i have seen someone swiping 3 credit cards to pay for a unit's dwnpmt.
another one rush apply new cards pay for another.

when maybank ceo wahid talks in public about the need to clampdown on cards and personal loan, you know it is very serious:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-maybank-chief/

can deny forever... bolehsians and rich and fine - like greece....
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that mean ppl last time use CC to cover another CC... and now use CC to cover the housing loan... very scarely... hmm.gif
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post Sep 30 2011, 09:50 PM

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FYI

Subprime crisis sweeps Wenzhou as bankrupt bosses flee

China’s Squeeze on Property Market Nearing ‘Tipping Point’

China’s Developers Facing ‘Increasingly Severe’ Credit Outlook, S&P Says

Developers at risk if China home sales ease: S&P



http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=483329

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-2...ing-point-.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-27/c...p-s-p-says.html

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/developer...e-sp-2011-09-27
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QUOTE(nelsontan_8383 @ Sep 30 2011, 08:29 PM)
your pocket so deep, good for you can pick up bargain soon ... from the stock market it's seem like a lot of money flowing out from asia ...recently monitor hong kong equity dropped like 20-30% in a matter of weeks
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IMO, if we had a crash in the property market, do not rush into the market in the first few years after the crash, if history is any guide, the property prices would only bottom in 5-10 years. This is the time we need to work out the oversupply and deleveraging...
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post Sep 30 2011, 10:44 PM

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this is the first time i hear about this.. bottom in 5-10 years
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Forecast says double-dip recession is imminent
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post Sep 30 2011, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(member808 @ Sep 30 2011, 10:44 PM)
this is the first time i hear about this.. bottom in 5-10 years
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US oredi 5 years ma....still bottomless icon_idea.gif
might be gar.....might just be 1 year...who knows....or it neva comes icon_rolleyes.gif
or might be japan?? oredi 10years ++
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post Oct 1 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 30 2011, 07:05 PM)
any shops units at reduced price lately. want to buy more...prefer KL area. eg klcc, ampang, pandan, maluri, setapak, gombak, wangsa maju, melawati, sentul, jl ipoh, batu cave, sri gombak or nearby.. easier to manage.

pls PM me.


Added on September 30, 2011, 7:20 pmpls PM if it is a really good bargain buy.  eg 20% lower eg 2.5 mil , and now 2mil sort of things..
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Well, Miharja condo was RM250k few months back. Now it's dropping to RM230k.
(2 years ago, the price is only RM155k).
You should buy it.
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post Oct 1 2011, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Oct 1 2011, 01:12 AM)
Well, Miharja condo was RM250k few months back. Now it's dropping to RM230k.
(2 years ago, the price is only RM155k).
You should buy it.
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i am not interested in residential prop, enuf oredi..troublesome to manage.
any chance shop price fall back to 2 years ago? about half the price?
to me, even drop 20-30% consider a big bargain. consider as bonus to me if drop more..


Added on October 1, 2011, 11:01 amvery difficult to buy shop directly from developer.. all sapu by insider/fren.
but now seems easier. developer are launching to the public..eg M city etc. but still expensive. hope subsales can drop a bit.

This post has been edited by lucerne: Oct 1 2011, 11:01 AM
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post Oct 1 2011, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Oct 1 2011, 10:57 AM)
i am not interested in residential prop, enuf oredi..troublesome to manage.
any chance shop price fall back to 2 years ago?  about half the price?
to me, even drop 20-30% consider a big bargain. consider as bonus to me if drop more..


Added on October 1, 2011, 11:01 amvery difficult to buy shop directly from developer.. all sapu by insider/fren. 
but now seems easier. developer are launching to the public..eg M city etc. but still expensive. hope subsales can drop a bit.
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subsales ll not gonna drop so easily or so soon boss. those buying shops r rich n like gangster. holding it even with lower % of rental. went bangsar w frenz last few wks to survey de price. super high man. 5yrs ago 3+mil. now 6+mil oso hav to think again. 1 of my frenz holding 5 units. tis fello can retire liao if sell all.

if u really looking for new shops, pls pm me ur budget. i can help get fr developers.
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post Oct 1 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Oct 1 2011, 11:06 AM)
if u really looking for new shops, pls pm me ur budget. i can help get fr developers.
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new or sub sales are ok, so long it is at bargain price.
new shop are selling very high now..if the developer wan to let go at lower price, pls pm me. i just bought one recently.
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post Oct 1 2011, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Oct 1 2011, 10:57 AM)
i am not interested in residential prop, enuf oredi..troublesome to manage.
any chance shop price fall back to 2 years ago?  about half the price?
to me, even drop 20-30% consider a big bargain. consider as bonus to me if drop more..


Added on October 1, 2011, 11:01 amvery difficult to buy shop directly from developer.. all sapu by insider/fren. 
but now seems easier. developer are launching to the public..eg M city etc. but still expensive. hope subsales can drop a bit.
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shoplots in ttdigrove kajang lo..new launching this weekend

also this the Selayang mixed development project also known as “Emerald Avenue”
Four storey shop with built-up area of 5,203 sf RM2,404,294.00
Four storey shop with built-up area of 4,985 sf RM2,226,882.00
Four storey shop with built-up area of 5,536 sf RM2,333,329.00

This post has been edited by kh8668: Oct 1 2011, 12:14 PM
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post Oct 1 2011, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 30 2011, 06:06 PM)
man, you aint see nothing yet. 1/3? it has been 3/4!
and i have seen someone swiping 3 credit cards to pay for a unit's dwnpmt.
another one rush apply new cards pay for another.

when maybank ceo wahid talks in public about the need to clampdown on cards and personal loan, you know it is very serious:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-maybank-chief/

can deny forever... bolehsians and rich and fine - like greece....
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This is what I am trying to say, Bank did not stick to 1/3 loaning principle that worried me. 3/4 of salary is too much! When bank did not play by the rules, things are easy to tumble down, subprime is a good example.

Now I see more and more CC agents in the mall, they were so quiet after Rm50 tax per card being imposed. Now looks like bank is encouring spending and owing, 0% balance transfer for 12 months, this is what I heard lately, get 2 cards and free cash to play with.

Banks already makes billions in profit, still not enough? BNM should tighten the regulation.
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post Oct 1 2011, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Oct 1 2011, 10:57 AM)
i am not interested in residential prop, enuf oredi..troublesome to manage.
any chance shop price fall back to 2 years ago?  about half the price?
to me, even drop 20-30% consider a big bargain. consider as bonus to me if drop more..


Added on October 1, 2011, 11:01 amvery difficult to buy shop directly from developer.. all sapu by insider/fren. 
but now seems easier. developer are launching to the public..eg M city etc. but still expensive. hope subsales can drop a bit.
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tenant not buying rent in time?
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post Oct 1 2011, 08:55 PM

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the bubble already burst meh?
JB here, property increased nearly 100k compared to last year...
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QUOTE(KLsooner @ Oct 1 2011, 12:13 PM)
This is what I am trying to say, Bank did not stick to 1/3 loaning principle that worried me. 3/4 of salary is too much! When bank did not play by the rules, things are easy to tumble down, subprime is a good example.

Now I see more and more CC agents in the mall, they were so quiet after Rm50 tax per card being imposed. Now looks like bank is encouring spending and owing, 0% balance transfer for 12 months, this is what I heard lately, get 2 cards and free cash to play with.

Banks already makes billions in profit, still not enough? BNM should tighten the regulation.
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dunno about you all, it have been happening since 2008 jor
Me can lend more then 100% since 2009...that is went i get scare after doing financial acid test on myself.
so now me keep reducing loan amount & on sideline for time being.
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post Oct 1 2011, 10:22 PM

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[quote=lucerne,Oct 1 2011, 10:57 AM]
i am not interested in residential prop, enuf oredi..troublesome to manage.

Wah I hope to be like y ou one day!!! notworthy.gif

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