lol wat 102k???err i think the rest of car manufacturer can gulung tikar alrdy...including kia's mother company hyundai

lol no way...cbu units alrdy in port klang...got pictures some more...

http://paultan.org/2011/11/20/kia-optima-c...-at-port-klang/

This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 14 2011, 11:15 PM

already out from paultan news.. 27th December going to launch in Malaysia market....

super like!

good reply bro!

No, it's not about rich or not. You are not knowledgeable, that's all.

http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+2+0-12764045.htm

The above car, brand new is RM140k (high spec). Drop a lot meh? In terms of percentage, it's a mere 9% depreciation, even less if you consider that brand new price includes insurance etc (OTR price).

Please take your head out of the sand and do more research la brudder.

BTW, this was the cheapest YF Sonata up for sale (used) on mudah.

Seems that its the only 2010 2nd hand unit sold? How many other 2010 units sold and what were their prices?

A person paying for a RM50K-RM70K for a car may not be paying much attention at the depreciation rate but a person spending around RM140K will definitely think twice. Even a mere 9% depreciation a year will mean a lot that's why resale value is serious business in Malaysia.

I think pricing it at RM130K-RM140K ranges will be a tough sale even if it's a good car. Of course, there will always be a group who always buy during launches but looking at it a year or two later, will these sales be sustainable if it is priced too highly?

9% for the 1st or 1.5 years is a fair depreciation. Not by any means spectacular, but also not that bad either. I think that's the point Gregy's trying to make.

I do agree with him though.

You are talking about two different segments altogether. Someone buying a foreign branded D segment car will not have the same mentality as someone who buys a B or C segment local ride. Put it simply, if one can't even afford 9% depreciation on a RM140k car, he/she doesn't belong in that category. The loan officer who approved his/her loan is either on the take or a jackass who deserves to be fired.

Let's take an example of a popular D-segment car, Toyota Camry 2.0G facelift version.

Brand new OTR price: RM154,990
http://www.motorcar-malaysia.com/2009/09/t...facelifted.html

After 2+ yrs: RM120,000 (rounded up) WITHOUT INS, ROAD TAX ETC
http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Camry+2+0G+Auto...ew-12680031.htm

So let's see: RM154,990 LESS RM4,151 (ins.) + RM380 (road tax) + misc RM500 = RM5,000 (rounded up)

Hence: RM154,990 minus RM5,000 = RM150,000 (rounded up) is the actual cost of the car. After 2+ yrs, RM120,000, so the total drop is RM30,000.

(Amount of decrease/Initial value) * 100
=> (RM30,000 divided by RM150,000) * 100 = 20% depreciation or 80% residual value

So, how now? Even Camry owner need to shed RM30,000 in 2+yrs.

And please, don't say a person spending RM130-140k. He didn't "spend" that amount, he merely paid a downpayment and took a loan for the balance. At the end of the day, to calculate how much he actually spent on the car all he needs to do is count how much deposit paid, how many months repayment paid, deduct the balance that he got back after selling the car. THAT is the true amount of what he "spent" on that car.

LOL you definitely lost me there with the argument above. How can a different segment buyers have different type of mentality with regard to resale value as a factor? Unless you have more money than you could count? I have seen people placing much more emphasis on resale value than any other things whether it is a D-segment car or a premium compact C segment cars.

Your example serves nothing more than to show a car will suffer depreciation and on that note I will agree with you but it does not show why the Kia Optima deserved to be priced at RM140K-RM150K (or any other figure you have in mind) and whether the resale value will be on par with the japanese make.

The figures given is obviously for ease of reference and understanding but your point is redundant since assuming the bank loan rate and the years of repayment is the same then I guess the only variable factor is the resale value isn't it?

I'm not some Toyota and Honda fanboys and hell I will even get a Kia car myself if it is priced right but I do not think Kia is at the stage where it can price this car any way near its competitors at least not in this country anyway. Even Naza knows this fact otherwise why would they sell the Kia Forte 2.0 (RRP: RM97,800) for at least RM30,000 cheaper against the Honda Civic 2.0 (RRP: RM130,980)?

actually, different segment has different mentality.

i think sub 70k and above 200k segment will not care about resale too much.

those in between, if they stretch the loan too much, then they will find resale value very important, better if its good FC and cheap maintenance.

if i can only afford rm50k car, and i go buy a vios at rm80k(9 years loan). i will be damn sure the car must be cheap in FC and maintenance, because i wont have much money left for those FC and service any way.

so, if you see ppl driving big cars with cheap/botak tyre, then you know their economy status. they are stretching the loan and payment just to look good.

QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 10:04 AM)

You are talking about two different segments altogether. Someone buying a foreign branded D segment car will not have the same mentality as someone who buys a B or C segment local ride. Put it simply, if one can't even afford 9% depreciation on a RM140k car, he/she doesn't belong in that category. The loan officer who approved his/her loan is either on the take or a jackass who deserves to be fired.

Let's take an example of a popular D-segment car, Toyota Camry 2.0G facelift version.

Brand new OTR price: RM154,990
http://www.motorcar-malaysia.com/2009/09/t...facelifted.html

After 2+ yrs: RM120,000 (rounded up) WITHOUT INS, ROAD TAX ETC
http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Camry+2+0G+Auto...ew-12680031.htm

So let's see: RM154,990 LESS RM4,151 (ins.) + RM380 (road tax) + misc RM500 = RM5,000 (rounded up)

Hence: RM154,990 minus RM5,000 = RM150,000 (rounded up) is the actual cost of the car. After 2+ yrs, RM120,000, so the total drop is RM30,000.

(Amount of decrease/Initial value) * 100
=> (RM30,000 divided by RM150,000) * 100 = 20% depreciation or 80% residual value

So, how now? Even Camry owner need to shed RM30,000 in 2+yrs.

And please, don't say a person spending RM130-140k. He didn't "spend" that amount, he merely paid a downpayment and took a loan for the balance. At the end of the day, to calculate how much he actually spent on the car all he needs to do is count how much deposit paid, how many months repayment paid, deduct the balance that he got back after selling the car. THAT is the true amount of what he "spent" on that car.

Absolute agreed with you.
Additional, all kind of cars still with loan is not belong to us. We "rent" from bank. Buying car is not an investment either unless you used the camry become a taxi/cab to gain profit. Also don't forget, automobile technology is getting advance time to time.

Buy the car you like and not others people likes.. some others even like to compare with Jan-Dec2011 sale in m'sia which car model sell more then other model..really LOL!!! Does it really matter!?any related with the car we purchase?
I don't mind hot door cars selling higher a bit, but at less gadget/safety give some more lar,counter weight back my $ spend. Unfortunately, it never happen.

So far in the market now we can see cold door car always give a better option. Either you still want to think inside the box? Or you want to think out from the box.

This post has been edited by trijuta: Dec 15 2011, 11:47 AM

Whats the point of arguing. Just go and buy what you like to drive. This is 21st century no one care about resale value like the old folks do anymore.

Any car you bought in Malaysia is a rip off anyway. LOL

No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said...

+99999

Why argue? this thread is to share about Kia Optima, not for debating against korean car la.......

btw, 102k is not possible, that one shown in expat is the old generation, not the one launching soon.

heard 122k , 142k , 145 k ................which one is true??

122k too good to be true, 142? 145? too much comparing to sonata le..........

anyone got any insider info or not? my SA also not sure.........

Well said. Malaysian some I will say tend to be pretty 'protective' of their own mindset plus the additional invisible shell surrounding the mindset. Clearly some are unable to accept the facts that Korean cars are catching up among their Japanese competitors in terms of quality, tech, engineering and design expecially on higher segment cars. Clearly some can't accept the fact that one can afford to buy a car while disregard it's resale value. And clearly some may want others to think alike and accept their mentality as the one and only. I've seen this debate over and over again being raised. Just a note, if u can't afford, don't buy new cars, if u worry so much about resale value, don't buy new cars, as the matter in fact don't buy any vehicles as all will depreciate in time. Walk your talk out. Period.

This post has been edited by kirakun: Dec 16 2011, 01:04 AM

People we talk about cars here not properties. So any car you buy will depreciate. Question is do you like this car? If yes you can afford it go for it.

Do you really want to copy your neighbour have the same house & have the same car?

Personally I like it. Its bloody cool looking car. Its make Honda & Toyota looks like crap. Bravo to Kia hire Peter Schreyer to design the car. If only Proton can wake up & smell the talent.

Right on.

Depreciation is the norm for cars. It's just that, the majority of car owners don't know how to calculate simple primary school maths before blindly stating that so-and-so branded cars sure depreciate like hell wan. They heard it from their uncle's neighbour's cat's real owner's father's orchard owner's son's schoolmate's grandmother that Kia and Hyundai memang tak bleh pia.

Judging by the number of Korean cars sold since 2010, I daresay that the general mentality is changing, although it will take some time.

One has to look no further than the fiasco that is the Proton Waja for a good history lesson. At launch, a certain CEO proclaimed it as the Asian BMW. And it did have quite a few good things going for it like space, good torque etc. And what happened? Many ppl got stuck after paying toll, cannot wind up their windows. They put too many things in their glove box and it will not stay closed. FC was quite high compared to Wira/Satria/Iswara etc too. So much for Japanese technology (first batch was Mitsu engine and GB).

As a result, many ppl felt cheated and swore on their great grandfather's grave never to touch Proton ever again.

Then came the early Korean cars. They looked like shit. Anyone ever seen a cockroach a.k.a. "Siu Keong" by the name of Kia Sephia? The early Sonatas, Accents, Elantras, Getz, Matrix, Carnival, Chairman, Rio, Spectra, Picanto, Aveo etc. Ppl bought them because they couldn't stand Proton but yet can't afford Jap. So it's like the poor man's Jap mobile.

Even now, sometimes when I bump into an old acquaintance and tell them I love the new Optima, they give me that look and say, "Aiyo, sure boh? Korean car leh, sure rugi like hell wan!"

I for one am hoping that this mentality continues for a bit longer, so that we can still enjoy Korean cars at gooding prices Let the naysayers keep getting ripped off by the Japs lol...

Best reply to date.

Kia Sephia has great suspension, one of the best i ever have the pleasure of riding in. The car does look fugly thought, but the champion of all fugly car is Fiat Multipla! Can't beat that one bro! Proton Juara... comes in close at the second... lol!

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Dec 16 2011, 08:35 AM

due to the rumors spread by SA and foreman.

if happens on korean car, they will said, see? told you dont buy.

if happens on local car, its ok, because local car is cheap, what you pay is what you get.

if happens on honda/toyota, oh, even toyota or honda got problem, if kena other car, even worse, so i'm grateful i got jap car.

if happens on bmw/merc, well, my ego prevents me from sharing it, how can those ppl driving local/jap/korean car understand this?

these are the mindset.