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 INTEL OVERCLOCKING THREAD, TIPS,Q n A, Results...Great For NueBis

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styloe
post Apr 24 2006, 08:11 PM

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Hello to all sifu,

Need some advice here.Whats the diff between the new LGA 775 and the old?The old one using 800fsb and the new one 533fsb.Is there any major diff in performance?My last proc died was 2.8 800fsb now looking for replacement but the 800 ones are beyond my current budget.
Could u mind tell the diff between those two?TQ

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post Apr 24 2006, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(styloe @ Apr 24 2006, 08:11 PM)
Hello to all sifu,

Need some advice here.Whats the diff between the new LGA 775 and the old?The old one using 800fsb and the new one 533fsb.Is there any major diff in performance?My last proc died was 2.8 800fsb now looking for replacement but the 800 ones are beyond my current budget.
Could u mind tell the diff between those two?TQ
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new socket is 775..old socket is 478.....the difference is socket... tongue.gif
another thg is tat old 478 no more in production.....
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post Apr 24 2006, 10:07 PM

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ths thread is gettin out of topic...let's bck to topic....c 1st thread... icon_rolleyes.gif

-Original CPU/Socket : P4 2.4C socket 478 HT
-Stepping : 9 revision D1 Northwood
-Date : no idea what is this... tongue.gif
-FSB : 200 @ 250
-Clock Speed : 2400 @ 3000
-Voltage (CPU/RAM/Chipset/AGP) : stock
-Chipset : i865PE
-Ram Type/Speed/Timings : DT-D43 DDR400 3-3-3-8 @ DDR400 2.5-3-3-7
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Results.(Min. 3 Filled)

-Highest FSB : 250 (so far) @ 5:4
-Highest RAM : 230 (so far) @ 1:1
-Highest Clock Speed : 3000 (so far)
-Highest Vcore : 1.525
-Highest VDIMM : 2.658 (max sad.gif )
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Benchmarks/Stability Testing/ Proof Of Testing. (Min 3 types of testing)
-CPU-Z Validation : Click Here

-Prime95 / PrimeTest : SP2004 1 hr ++ tongue.gif
-Super PI/ Super PI MOD : pass (no attachment)
-Memtest : none
-Sandra Memory Bandwidth : none
-3DMarks 2005 : none
-3DMarks 2003 : 9.1k++ (no attachment)
-3DMarks 2001 : none

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post Apr 24 2006, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(siauann @ Apr 24 2006, 10:00 PM)
new socket is 775..old socket is 478.....the difference is socket... tongue.gif
another thg is tat old 478 no more in production.....
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what i meant was the old LGA 775 800fsb and the new LGA 775 533fsb?Any major diff besides the diff in FSB?Does that influence the performance and other difference between those two?Pro and cons?Thnx
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post Apr 24 2006, 10:58 PM

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yeah..back to main topic!! rclxm9.gif


-Original CPU/Socket : P4 2.4A socket 478
-Stepping : 9 revision E0 NPresscott
-Date : no idea what is this...
-FSB : 217
-Clock Speed : 2400 @ 3916
-Voltage (CPU/RAM/Chipset/AGP) : All In DEfault Voltage
-Chipset : i865PE
-Ram Type/Speed/Timings : DT-D43 DDR400 3-3-3-8 @ DDR434 2.5-3-3-7
-------------------------------
Results.(Min. 3 Filled)

-Highest FSB : 233 (so far) @ 1:1
-Highest RAM : 250 (so far) @ 4:5
-Highest Clock Speed : 4200
-Highest Vcore : 1.6
-Highest VDIMM : 2.8 (max )
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Benchmarks/Stability Testing/ Proof Of Testing. (Min 3 types of testing)
-CPU-Z Validation : Click Here

-Prime95 / PrimeTest : SP2004 7 hr ++
-Super PI/ Super PI MOD : Here (lost the latest screenie)
-Memtest : Here
-Sandra Memory Bandwidth : none
-3DMarks 2005 : 2k++
-3DMarks 2003 : 5.8k++ (no attachment)
-3DMarks 2001 : 17k++


i'll edit later wif screenie!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 25 2006, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(nelza_ax @ Apr 24 2006, 06:42 PM)
YONAH ROX!! rclxm9.gif
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Conroe more rox!! rclxm9.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(styloe @ Apr 24 2006, 10:53 PM)
what i meant was the old LGA 775 800fsb and the new LGA 775 533fsb?Any major diff besides the diff in FSB?Does that influence the performance and other difference between those two?Pro and cons?Thnx
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theres no difference..the only difference is the fsb bandwidth..that all smile.gif
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post Apr 26 2006, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(nizamextreme @ Apr 25 2006, 08:10 AM)
theres no difference..the only difference is the fsb bandwidth..that all smile.gif
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800fsb is more superior with than 533fsb in bandwidth.The performance is also higher than the 533fsb which the proc only running with 133Mhz with quad pump.


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QUOTE(raymond5105 @ Apr 26 2006, 12:53 PM)
800fsb is more superior with than 533fsb in bandwidth.The performance is also higher than the 533fsb which the proc only running with 133Mhz with quad pump.
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so what is the different between FSB 533mhz and FSB 800mhz peformance ? slow performance on gaming or office work? Anyone heard about P4 3.0 (524 model) LGA775 FSB 533mhz? I cannot find more infor about this processor.
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post Apr 27 2006, 01:09 PM

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The different between 533fsb and 800fsb is the bandwidth.Bandwidth = Data transfer size.you can imagine the situation like below.I quoted from jinaun's reference at RAM handbook (Dealing with Memory Speeds / Frequencies
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This is another ramification of the limiting effect of the AMD dual-pumped FSB. A P4's quad pumped FSB (along with the superior optimization of the async modes) allows P4's to benefit in some cases from async modes that run the memory faster than the FSB. This is especially true of single channel P4 systems. There still are synchronization losses inherent in an async mode on any system, but the adequate FSB bandwidth of the P4 allows the additional memory bandwidth produced by async operation to overcome these losses and produce a net gain.
250MHz FSB speed with 80% or 5:4 (FSB:Memory ratio) results in 200MHz memory speed (DDR400)
This example is most often used in overclocking situations where the memory is not able to keep up with the speed of the FSB. On AMD platforms, there is really no point having a high FSB, if the memory can't keep up. When the memory or any other component is holding back system performance, this is called a "bottleneck". As in the example above, a memory bottleneck would be if you were running your memory at DDR400 MHz with a 500 MHz (250x2) system bus. The memory would only be providing 3.2GB/s of bandwidth while the bus would be theoretically capable of transmitting 4.0GB/s of bandwidth. A situation like this would not help overall system performance.

Think of it like this; let's say you had a highway going straight into a mall, with an identical highway going straight out of the mall. Both highways have the same number of lanes and initially they have the same 45mph speed limit. Now let's say that there's a great deal of traffic flowing in and out of the mall and in order to get more people in and out of the mall quicker, the department of transportation agrees to increase the speed limit of the highway going into the mall from 45mph to 70mph; the speed limit of the highway leaving the mall is still stuck at 45mph. While more people will be able to reach the mall quicker, there will still be a bottleneck in the parking area leaving the mall - since the increased numbers of people that are able to get to the mall still have to leave at the same rate. This is equivalent to increasing the FSB frequency but leaving the memory frequency/bandwidth unchanged or set to a slower speed. You're speeding up one part of the equation while leaving the other part untouched. Sometimes the fastest memory is not always afforded or available. In this case, more focus should be placed on balancing the FSB and memory frequencies while still keeping latencies as low as possible AND while still maintaining CPU clock speed (GHz) by increasing the multiplier. The benefit of a faster FSB (and higher bandwidth) will only become more and clearer as clock speeds (GHz) increase; the faster the CPU gets, the more it will depend on getting more data quicker. The only real benefit of async modes on AMD platforms is the fact that it comes in handy to overclockers for testing purposes; to determine their max FSB and to eliminate the memory as a possible cause for not being able to achieve a desired stable FSB speed. Even so, async modes on early nforce2 based motherboards caused many problems; problems as serious as bios corruption.
Hope you can get some picture what i am trying to express to you.And of course that the higher the fsb,the more performance you will get during gaming.for office apllication,both of the proc won't affect much as i assumed that you are applying some word,netmeeting,ie and some office documents.
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QUOTE(hotwebs @ Apr 27 2006, 11:00 AM)
so what is the different between FSB 533mhz and FSB 800mhz peformance ? slow performance on gaming or office work? Anyone heard about P4 3.0 (524 model) LGA775 FSB 533mhz? I cannot find more infor about this processor.
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errmmm... using 533 fsb got a lil setback... ur proc and ram wasnt running 1:1... so 800fsb is better as it runs at 1:1 at stock... running 1:1 imo is d best way...

yup... of course got slower performance if compare 533 and 800 as 800 is running 1:1... but not sure hoq much...

y u search for taht proc? go to intel website to search.. if still dun got, that means this proc never exsist in this world laugh.gif



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QUOTE(andrew1124 @ Apr 27 2006, 04:49 PM)
errmmm... using 533 fsb got a lil setback... ur proc and ram wasnt running 1:1... so 800fsb is better as it runs at 1:1 at stock... running 1:1 imo is d best way...

yup... of course got slower performance if compare 533 and 800 as 800 is running 1:1... but not sure hoq much...

y u search for taht proc? go to intel website to search.. if still dun got, that means this proc never exsist in this world laugh.gif
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It exsist in this world laugh.gif Intel Website Just provide me less Information only , because this type of processor is always assembly by Dell or Acer brand dekstop pc. P4 3.0 (524) LGA775 FSB 533mhz . so i am confused with this processor specification. rclxub.gif Just know this processor at least have EMT64, but HT i am not so sure, but some chinese website, got mention it is support HT too. but i am not so sure.
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QUOTE(hotwebs @ Apr 28 2006, 02:01 AM)
It exsist in this world  laugh.gif Intel Website Just provide me less Information only , because this type of processor is always assembly by Dell or Acer brand dekstop pc. P4 3.0 (524) LGA775 FSB 533mhz . so i am confused with this processor specification.  rclxub.gif Just know this processor at least have EMT64, but HT i am not so sure, but some chinese website, got mention it is support HT too. but i am not so sure.
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mayb u can use everst software... it tells alot things ab my proc... hope it same wit urs... wink.gif
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IC7 or IS7 is a better mobo for oc?
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Apr 29 2006, 02:23 PM)
IC7 or IS7 is a better mobo for oc?
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ic7 i guess.... tongue.gif blush.gif
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Hello guys,im newbie,

Pls teach me how to OCing!

Dunno how to fill the form!

Intel PantaiTimun IV mPGA 478 2.8Ghz/133.3Mhz FSB/512K L2 Cache and my mobo:Asus P4V8-MX,Izzit good for overclocking?

Btw,do i need special fan for CPU and Chipset?Coolie Master 4 Lite can?

Pls help me,i dunno how to OCing,and what maximum Ghz for me?

THX!

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Apr 30 2006, 05:57 PM)
Hello guys,im newbie,

Pls teach me how to OCing!

Dunno how to fill the form!

Intel PantaiTimun IV mPGA 478 2.8Ghz/133.3Mhz FSB/512K L2 Cache and my mobo:Asus P4V8-MX,Izzit good for overclocking?

Btw,do i need special fan for CPU and Chipset?Coolie Master 4 Lite can?

Pls help me,i dunno how to OCing,and what maximum Ghz for me?

THX!
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For starters don't bother about cooling and stuffs. First you need to understand the concept of FSB and dividers. Make sure you lock the PCI/AGP bus for stability. Make sure you know CMOS reset button function/position in case of unbootable system.

Anyway check out the pinned fundamentals of overcloking thread. It consists of all information you need and more.


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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 30 2006, 06:16 PM)
For starters don't bother about cooling and stuffs. First you need to understand the concept of FSB and dividers. Make sure you lock the PCI/AGP bus for stability. Make sure you know CMOS reset button function/position in case of unbootable system.

Anyway check out the pinned fundamentals of overcloking thread. It consists of all information you need and more.
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Thank u Sifu PCGila!
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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Apr 30 2006, 05:57 PM)
Hello guys,im newbie,

Pls teach me how to OCing!

Dunno how to fill the form!

Intel PantaiTimun IV mPGA 478 2.8Ghz/133.3Mhz FSB/512K L2 Cache and my mobo:Asus P4V8-MX,Izzit good for overclocking?

Btw,do i need special fan for CPU and Chipset?Coolie Master 4 Lite can?

Pls help me,i dunno how to OCing,and what maximum Ghz for me?

THX!
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Same proc like mine.. motherboard almost same but mine is P4V8X-X ..
My pc sux to the max.. must underclock 10% also.. dunno wat is the problem.. cry.gif
Whenever i tried to run it at 2.80Ghz ( my proc speed ).. cannot get to the windows also.. doh.gif

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QUOTE(Amedion @ May 1 2006, 02:43 PM)
Same proc like mine.. motherboard almost same but mine is P4V8X-X ..
My pc sux to the max.. must underclock 10% also.. dunno wat is the problem..  cry.gif
Whenever i tried to run it at 2.80Ghz ( my proc speed ).. cannot get to the windows also..  doh.gif
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533fsb procs?.. ram and psu detail plz?..

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