I have done a comparison between Nadayu VS Mutiara Villa, and NAZA VS Mutiara Villa, Jade Hill VS Mutiara Villa I try to do on either Jade Hill's forum or Mutiara Villa's forum

I agreed with you… Will 100K+ for Mutiara Villa.. Additional is ease to get access everything (Giant, McDonal, Paparich, Bank…..)

Both Mutiara Villa and TTDI Grove - Phase 9 (Acacia) have their pros and cons. Been to both sites, looked at their offerings I would say MV is a better choice. If not due to the corner unit I managed to secure in Acacia which has bigger built up, better floor plan and ample land (lower price compared to MV intermediate), I will opt for MV for sure. Anyone else bought Acacia here??

Sort of agree that on overall basis, the 130k+ seem to be offering more good to potential buyer (taking away the location topic since both are quite close to each other).

Just to point out a few things:
- Loan Agreement and related cost will not be more than 15k (not 20k)
- G&G concept value is hard to justified. if more robbery or break in happening, then the G&G might be even more valuable.
- Fiber optic : This is Telecom Malaysia. Eventually, i dont think they will skip TTDI Grove and with the current unifi, the installation is free.
- TTDI Grove with no aircond points and piping ??
- Water heater ready (Solar type ? ) It would not be more than 15k including hot water piping to each bathroom.
- hard to justify building facade lah .... different people difference preference.
- Landscape (size) and facilities wise, MV is better.

I guess TTDI grove is also charging more on the brand and reputation of the developer. Somehow, it gives people certain assurance about the ability to complete project or so. In other words, if naza is offering what MV offering, then it might be 950k or so? Who knows.... : )

Agree with spydermind...if TTDI offers everything that MV offers their pricing should be on par or cheaper a bit (true for inter vs inter unit, corner vs corner and n-lot vs n-lot might differ due to land size) - TTDI can't beat the landscape n facilities offered by MV

water heater ready as what I've been told is not solar type, its just the instant ones but hey things could change thru out the development period rite??

What I heard frm TTDI SA yesterday is that they are including Rain Water Harvesting (RWH) system as well to all unit in Acacia. I wud prefer Solar system really or perhaps both haha. At least with RWH washing car + gardening will be free

For G&G part, I've spoken to the SA and they said it won't be included automatically, the residents of Acacia will have to sit down together and vote for it,once all agreed on the G&G and maintenance fee per month, the developer will build it for us. I wud have preferred they just built it along with the houses..easier

Though I agree that the built up alone is worth the difference in price,
fibre optics (rm30K) and g&g (rm50k), water heater ready (RM25K) hard to swallow...


Landscaping - 4.3 acres garden for just one phase-worth another RM50K per house? Then, what about other phases? more 4.5 acres gardens per phase? How big is the WHOLE PROJECT?

In fact more gardens at MV will be better for us...nice eye candy which we can enjoy from the pool. Keep it up!

Do the comparison is post on which forum?

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Added on May 22, 2012, 1:50 pmTwin, really can saw it from TP? wah... can't wait back home have a view.... May be drop by to visit TP Sale Galery and try view from the pool... hahahaha.. have a nice day...



This post has been edited by leetika: May 22 2012, 01:50 PM

Thanks for the useful comments. After confirming with the lawyer, the bill for loan legal fees and disbursements alone turns out to be about 14k, you are correct on your assessment. Other expenses such MOT, stamp duties, SPA legal fees are paid by developer for both projects, both projects cancels out, so additional value for MV for miscellaneous expenses paid by developer is 14K only not 20K.

Fiber Optic :
Moving into the internet age, I can't help but think that installing Fibre-Optics should be a standard feature in every new development. After all, what more better chance to install it once and for all by the developer during construction stage, rather than digging up the copper lines and replacing it later. I could accept, in fact welcome, the upgrading from copper lines to fibre optics nevertheless in old areas such as PJ, KL. But in new housing area? A little foresight, new housing area should be installed with fibre optics straight away, and this done for Mutiara Villa is viewed by the internet savvy as a very innovative move by TLS Developer.3 Hurrays for TLS developer with foresight! Not only the residents not have to feel inferior having only to use Unifi from copper line, the roads leading the development would not need to be re-dig, and re-surface, as it often ending up patchy and uneven after completion. Valuing Mutiara Villa 30K more compared to NAZA just for alone Fibre-optic Unifi maybe ambiguous, after all, we all have slower options such as copper-line Unifi, WiMax and wireless broadband, but I am a dissatisfied user for those lesser options, perhaps due to having been pampered by the fibre-optics instantaneous speed offered in university while studying in the UK. How much faster? I could practically watch movies downloaded THE MOMENT after clicking on 'Load'. Emailing huge files is faster than ever. Would I pay 30K in live in such environment compared to none? – I would.

Malaysian Tele-communication companies are upping the landed broadband speed every year. With every increase in bandwidth and speed, the gap in speed between Fibre-Optics and Copper-line widens, since it is already offering a speed exceeding Copper-line limit. Replacing copper with Fibre-optics is expensive, in fact more expensive than laying one during construction,( for the same reason re-configuration of a house is more expensive than plan&building from start) and is currently done only sporadically in limited PJ, KL areas and areas of high density. The rational? - it is more profitable to offer to these area of high density so to breakeven from the costly laying of fibre optics. Singapore and many developed countries have already achieved close to 100% penetration for fibre-optic internet connections. Malaysia is progressing very very slowly, and perhaps finally realising it is a daunting task, re-divert to inferior alternative in trying to achieve 100% WiMAx broadband connection instead - see the WiMax license offered to P1, YTL, Redtone etc .(cheaper, slower and less reliable option but wireless will NEVER beat landed in terms of quality). Currently our country has less than 35% WiMax penetration, and fibre-optic is less than 5%. And Mutiara Villa is designed from start to be the elite and modern, at least in terms of internet connection. Of course they have plans for NAZA’s housing area. In fact there will be a fibre-optics connection plan for every house in the country, after all, wouldn't it sound un-political for tele-communication companies to say they are only willing to connect to profitable areas, and also that they don't have the billions to do so?

Sorry for the lengthy article,
Summary :
Mutiara Villa- Fibre Optic ready.
NAZA - Copper line, may not have fibre optic before 2030. (I hate summaries and setting year/dates as it lacks accuracy, why not read the above)

Recommendation to buy Mutiara Villa.

This post has been edited by Talbac: May 23 2012, 05:35 PM

Talbac, great insights. Keep up the good effort

Hi Talbac, that is not the case about fiber optic cable. FYI, all unifi is connected via fiber.

Since the past, the obligation of providing (connecting) telephone cabling wihtin the house to the nearest terminal is the responbility of the developer. Then, it will be Telekom or the area fixed line provider like Maxis or Time to connect those to their exchange. With this setup, once they install DSL Equipment, they can provide DSL service (depends on the distance between your house and the DSL equipment, you will get up to several Mbps typically, if you are lucky you may get mroe than 10mbps).

With the revolution of fiber broadband, housing law had not been changed to force developer lay fiber. So, in many project, Developer still need to lay the copper cable within the house to the nearest terminal. no many developer choose to install fiber in the house to the nearest terminal (instead of copper or on top of copper), because it will cost more money and no significant value to house owner.

Why, because, when TM (or Maxis) for example, installed fiber to the neighbourhood...you will see those little green terminal box, then you can subscribe to unifi and TM is still offering free installation to connect your house to the green terminal box with fiber (unless your house is too big, then they might charge you a bit).

TM/Maxis is targeting new housing estate and especially those mid to high end, so i dont think it will not be available in grove for too long.

To be honest, even MV has got that fiber connecting between the house to the terminal, if TM/MAxis not coming in with the main trunk, you still cant connect to fiber broadband. This is how many old houses in KV are connected to fiber broadband service liek Unifi.

This post has been edited by spydermind: May 24 2012, 04:46 PM

Talbac, where is Jade Hills vs Mutiara Villa? Would like to read that pls. Thanks.

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Added on May 26, 2012, 3:39 pmMy new house did not have fibre optics preinstalled. Last year, TM came and placed green boxes along the 5ft way outside our houses. Once unifi was ready, all the technician did was pull out my copper cable through the underground conduit and replaced it with a fibre optic cable. Then they installed everything else. Beside a small hole in the wall, no other drillings or wall hacking needed. I dont know if that is worth RM30k more. Just sharing.





This post has been edited by twins9: May 26 2012, 03:39 PM

Thats the reason Im not quite bothered even though TTDI Groves phases do not come with fibreoptics ready coz TM will do it anyway for free haha. But dunno when the free installation offer will last. After 2 years probably the unifi speed will increase even faster and hopefully TM will still provide the installation for free. Even if we need to pay for the installation, I think it will cost between 800 - 1k (price early unifi adopters needed to pay for installation b4 TM made it free).

About the 3-phase wiring, I thought all new landed property will come with 3-phase ready nowadays? Anyone can clarify? I wud like to actually have the 3-phase wiring ready for my new house coz dun wanna do the rewiring later. Let say d developer does not provide the 3-phase, can we request it from them with our own expenses? But for Acacia, with its price tag, I think they should provide it for free

As of today, total 38 units sold and balance of 17 units. I am also one of the buyer for this ttdi acacia. I bought the intermediate unit. Cant afford to buy corner unit. Actually i was eyeing on the rectangular corner unit. But end up buying intermediate unit for whatsoever reasons.
SA over there told me now the concept is guarded and not gated. Because they told that they wanted to get the individual title. If guarded and gated concept, they cant get individual title but strata title. I do not know how true is it. But SA said the G&G concept will be at the later stage.
Anyone can clarify?

Ask the developer if it is 3 phase, I think most houses are now.

Not really. TO be honest, single phase also can work pretty well, unless for bigger unit like semi-D and you are installing bigger aircond all over and turning them on pretty regular....

For this sort of price, i would expect 3-phase

Hi bro,great to know fellow Acacians here in LYN,yes about the G&G concept,my SA also said its guarded but not gated, i hope they will use the anti-climbing fence for perimeter fencing like the one they installed in Alam Impian phases, if they use the cheap 'dawai hijau' fencing they gonna get it frm us.

For the gated concept,1st they said there are some issues involving MPKj n Alam Flora as well especially for thrash pick up and some related services. And yes if the residents wants a full G&G concept the title need to be strata title not individual. Since NazaTTDI provides individual title,the residents will have to sit down together and have a meeting and vote for the boom gate + smart key access and concur on reasonable maintenance fee that everyone can pay.

To avoid non payment issue,block their smart key so they dont have access. Sounds harsh but its inevitable.

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Added on May 26, 2012, 10:59 pmSince this will be for ownstay,happily getting old and productively reproduce haha, I think 3-phase is the best bet,tho I know its not that expensive to install but the wiring and damages that concerns me. will double confirm with dev.

This post has been edited by ajak25: May 26 2012, 10:59 PM

Please do update us if you have more info related to this project.
Besides, how you find about the environment of the surrounding? i.e pollution? because there is a quarry mines nearby and also batching plant behind our boundary.

Quarry and cement batching plant got a lot of dust.

Environment wise is good,we have a hilly background loads of greenery to provide us quality air and fresh after rain mist. Frm the google map I think it was an old satellite image,if Im not mistaken (dont bet on this) I think the quarry plant has been closed and that area is now already a new housing area. Will have to go scout deeper.

Another quarry is actually owned by TLS (been told by their rep when I visited their site) where for the past 5 years been smashing and processing the rocky hill to make way for the Mutiara Heights development. Best thing is they processed ad reused the rocks to build the houses there. They also have stop smashing and demolishing so I guess its going to be a peaceful neighbourhood.

This post has been edited by ajak25: May 27 2012, 08:56 AM

I think Saam0212 is not referring to the earthwork by TLS but the Sunway Quarry on the right side of NAZA. My friend at Jelok Impian said Sunway are still running the Quarry full-fledged.

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Added on May 27, 2012, 11:00 amCongratulations for having fibre optics at Twin Palm!

Hindsight biase theory - Things that are left to chances always looked more likely to happen later after it has happened.

Many places in Cheras/Kajang are still not installed with fibre optics, that Twin Palm despite being located in the less-densed area is being connected to fibre optics looks like an initiation by Lum Chang, the developer of Twin Palm to upgrade the township.



This post has been edited by Talbac: May 27 2012, 11:00 AM