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 Discussion about watercooling and the results, Version 2

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post Nov 25 2005, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 25 2005, 01:14 PM)
that expensive?hmm...are the cm 120 fans silent?and does it push enough air?planning to get pasang it on a BIP..
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Trust me pornstar, it's a yes for both points you've asked. You just have to try em to know why

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post Nov 28 2005, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 28 2005, 08:26 AM)
If using coolant with corrosion protection then it's OK wat. Anyway alu parts for water cooling is always anodized. Coz car's water pump is also alu, rad oso alu but all protected by the coolant.
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The problem is you have copper, a known material that easily cmes into contact with other materials chemically and for closed compact loops, corrosion can bild up easily as the temps between idle and full load remains a conducive temperature for algae growth and deanodising of the aluminium. Car's water cooling does not have copper parts internally AFAIK.
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post Nov 29 2005, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 29 2005, 12:17 AM)
I know wat he's saying. That's y I use the Reserator as a good example of mixed loop.  The reserator itself is a big hunk of alu, CPU block is copper, VGA block is alu, NB block is alu. So there's both alu n copper in the loop. The Gigabyte kit is also using alu rad with the copper blocks. Coolermaster Aquagate oso got alu rad with copper block. Many people using custom built WC oso using alu reservoirs. Even the teutonic water gurus Aqua oso use alu reservoirs. As long as using proper coolants then it shudn be a prob unless running just batt water then only it'll start to leech.
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Well we're talking in the long te3rm like say 24/7 at least 1.5 years. It's not for no reason the hardcore kaki's in XS are saying a big NO to mixing and matching. It's pure secondary school cheamistry as at a certain temperature and prolonged submersion of water (which will ionise) will cause deanodising and having elements of aluminium getting into the loop. and when that occurs, trust me, you don't want to know it's effects onto ur copper block. Anyway, seen the machining quality of the Apogee? Ain' good itseems. Frightening in fact
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post Nov 30 2005, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 30 2005, 04:41 PM)
know why it's all Alu ?
coz copper rads dunt get corroded easily like Alu ones........those refridgerators rad never got leakage problem at all man.
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If they don't come into contact submerged with water (which is a good carrier of ions) and there's no other materials in it's loop. Refrigerators use refrigerant gasses which are non-reactant and the exdternal part of the rad is coated in black paint to prevent bare exposure as copper does oxidise easily
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post Dec 4 2005, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 4 2005, 10:44 PM)
Looks like most ppl also got their storms oledi but still no proper reports yet?
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Idle 38C and load 41C anyone for ambient temps of 25C?
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post Dec 5 2005, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 5 2005, 10:39 AM)
The second order just left the US yesterday so it should arrive within this week. Also ordered the MCP350 modded top  biggrin.gif
Quite certain next week can play already... *fingers crossed*
Doesn't seem like much difference with ur former maze4 setup leh. Maybe you need a better pump brows.gif .... like the spare MCP650/D4 thats lying around here with me tongue.gif
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Dude..last time with the Maze it WAS 42C idle 46C load.....how's that in comparison?
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post Dec 7 2005, 07:24 AM

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systemcooling's review on the Apogee is out and I can only say one word about it..."owned"

http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-01.html

Lousy temps and shady machining again
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post Dec 7 2005, 10:05 PM

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Whoahhh...now we're talking 1337 shit now.....come on man...stop fudging about with the fans and start cracking on it
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post Dec 7 2005, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Dec 7 2005, 10:56 PM)
hey snipe..chantekk la the top..i think urs will be a unique setup..anyways guys im thinkin of doin a T-res setup..can i just use those plastic aquarium T joints?
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Theoretically yes...it's possible the setup. and the Delrin top is one of the few options available to mod the DDC. I found a few more at an aussie site

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http://www.radiical.com.au/products/RadiicalPumpTop.asp
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post Dec 10 2005, 11:17 PM

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That's why I advised an experimental loop of the following for such a setup

Pump > VGA > RAD > CPU

should be an efficient setup as the GPU will be the one that will have the biggest heat dump since it's gonna be OC'ed liked no one's business (knowing sniper himself)
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post Dec 12 2005, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Dec 12 2005, 01:42 AM)
err... are you sure an OC'ed GPU releases more heat than an OC'ed CPU? doesnt sound quite right to me at least, considering the amount of grunt needed to cool CPU's as compared to GPU's (although GPU's are almost reaching CPU level heat dump).

anyway, concerning that experimental setup,
to me, its still more sensible to relocate the pump back to before the CPU:

Pump > CPU > VGA > RAD

still comes back to the same thing as u mentioned, except the pump is now back at the usual before-CPU position. bear in mind that a G4 is being used as well.
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It is bearing in mind Sniper's requirements as his OC'ing will be more based on GPU rather then CPU based. Forhigher end GPU's being OC'ed, on air we'd be seeing vastly greater temps comparatively (we're talking about 70-80C here) and with sniper using an A64 (Theoretically he's gonna max out temps at about 35-40C at most), CPU cooling won't be so much of a major priority in his case. Hence the experimental suggestion. If I had both the GPU block and a high end GPU to mess with, I'd be glad to try and verify such a theory
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post Dec 13 2005, 09:33 AM

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Oh myyyy gawdddd......


Please check back a few pages to see what was our answer for the last person who asked a similiar question

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=180866&st=460

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post Dec 27 2005, 11:31 AM

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Did I hear Stacker anyone? Hmmmmm......this is not good for me since I won't be the exclusive one using it for WC'ing anymore. Anyway, been busy trying to get my new RAM's running properly sampai terabai sini. Sorry guys.
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post Dec 28 2005, 10:10 PM

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Good to hear u back in here hmspower. rig ko amacam? Dah lama takde update bang
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post Dec 30 2005, 03:23 AM

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Bang prof. amok....tara mau itu Uzairi nyer current WC set ka? Dia mau jual mulah wooo
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post Dec 31 2005, 12:18 PM

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Very short answer to that based on experience

No, you need a higher head pressure pump to overcome the ressistance in flow.
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post Dec 31 2005, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Dec 31 2005, 01:07 PM)
Hehe...no time to take care. Maybe want to try dry ice...  tongue.gif
Nirox P2800 supposed to be a high pressure pump, so no problem when using it. laugh.gif
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post Jan 2 2006, 03:09 AM

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CPU WaterBlocks

1. Swifteh Storm - 75USD - this is the top performing waterblock currently in retail. It is better suited to more powerful pumps, but still performs well with low flow/power pumps.

2. Swiftech MCW6002/6000 - 45USD - for low power/flow pumps these waterblocks are top performers.. with moderate restriction these waterblocks matched with low power pumps will net decent flow to allow usage of a second waterblock

3. Cooltechnica MP-05 - 50-65USD - a high restriction waterblock with excelent performance. while it does not outperform the Storm per pump power, its lower pricetag makes it an attractive choice.

4. Danger Den TDX - 52USD - while a good waterblock, it is not an optimum choice of waterblock for a high or low power pump system. I list it merely for completeness of the guide.

5. Danger Den RBX - 52USD - Again, a good waterblock, but not worth considering unless you have some desire for a 3 barb waterblock.

6. WhiteWater LE (all coper version) - 44USD - Origionaly designed by Cathar, this 3 barb waterblock performs well, but uses a dated design and is not optimal for maximum performance.

taken from my tips and tricks sticky..pretty accurate analysis
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post Jan 6 2006, 07:33 PM

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Dude, when ur going triple row, it's best you go for the highest headpressure rated pump as the resistance would be too great for the poor L20 in the first place I assure you.
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post Jan 8 2006, 11:51 PM

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I LOL'ed

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