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post Jan 11 2006, 11:47 AM

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Just for fun and to show how 1337 a Storm G4 can be, I swapped my Barton M 2600+ (Sad to see it go) with a 2200+ (T-Bird B me thinks). Was pleasantly surprised as how well the Storm performs. At stock voltages (which aren't stable enought for massive loads), idle was 35C and load was 37C, with ambient temps of about 27C. Quite good I must say as previously in a room of ambient 24C, and using a Tt Volcano 12, the best it could do at full rpm and a thouroughly lapped base was 45C idle and 53C load.

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post Jan 16 2006, 09:20 PM

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Moderno: Kalo nak pakai inline setup, aku cadangkan yang ko set camni

nirox 1 --> CPU --> nirox 2 --> rad --> res

Cos you need to overcome the resistance the BIP3 will cause since it's a triple row rad. Even as it is noticed a more consistent and slightly lower temps on my BIP just by changing to a 3m H/max pump you know

hollowbean: Quick, some thorough and detailed pics and data on that modded top since Sniper's been AWOL for a longgg time

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post Jan 19 2006, 12:09 PM

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Firstly, ur connectors too tight isit? If too tight also the water vacumm edi la. I remember kena this problem when reassembling for my friend his Air Besar. Had to unhook one pipe to let water flow thru. Secondly, is the pump really pumping or not? Best way to test is to rendam it inside a pail and flick the switch. If got air pancut then working la
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post Jan 19 2006, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(moderno @ Jan 19 2006, 01:31 PM)
the connectors using the asetek push-fit one.... i've tried rendam it inside the pail and got water pancut and coming oledi...but when attached it to the system and pour some coolant into the reservoir...the pumps seems like only pumping air through the loops...

i'm thinking of tilting the pump with the reservoir outlet on top of the pump inlet there..hope gravity will do me some goods in helping the propeller jump start with some waters in it...

bro @amok : is the eheim 1048 barbs can be unscrewed and change to my 10mm barbs?...coz see the eheim specs come 1/2" bards as standards...and newb question here... can eheim 1048 enough to push through triple rad... laugh.gif

pump rosak pun tak sedar diri lagi nak pakai triple rad..hahaha tongue.gif
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Means kena air lock edi laa fren. Unhook one end of the loop so that water can flow freely then should work out then. And for the eheim pump, see if the threadings allow for ur barbs mounting or not? If cannot then cannot loh. Same for us Nirox users maa. And 1048? Not worth looking at for triple row core usages if mau OC. Bole jalan mmg bole jalan. si sapik78 used to do that on his rig. But better to look at the 1250, D4's or the 50Z if u want serious power. Or check amok's budget pump shoot out review in the stickies.
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post Feb 5 2006, 01:06 PM

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Sorry wasn't around for a bit but been busy with work. But here's what I've been working on. and this is at full load


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post Feb 11 2006, 04:29 PM

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Finally, the 1337 users of the 486DX clan has sprung back into action
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post Feb 13 2006, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 12 2006, 03:33 AM)
Hehe.. blush.gif Will do..
Dont say 1337 lah, paiseh leh.. BTW mine 486DX oni..  doh.gif  u guys 486DX-M lah....  notworthy.gif .. Nice to be with u guys back..  flex.gif 

p/s: Just realised that u were a staff now. Congrats to u sargeant.  notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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I belot edi laa dude, ask amok why la. Anyway thanks for the congrats ucai

QUOTE(Prokutiwuti @ Feb 12 2006, 09:46 PM)
Guys, just wanna ask..

issit possible to put 2 pump or 2 radiator into 1 colling system?
hehehe,,,just want to know wether it will increase or decrease the performance...hehehe
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Yes you can but intelligent placing is a must as you have to ensure your flowrates and head pressure doesn't get shot in the end
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post Feb 16 2006, 04:21 PM

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Hollowbean, where did you get that reservoir, been always interested in it all this while
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post Feb 17 2006, 06:09 AM

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Yeah and since it's acrylic, I'm not so worried. Anodised aluminium...tsk tsk tsk tsk.......wouldn't risk my rig on it
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post Feb 20 2006, 04:41 AM

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Ok Strom G4 users, there's a rev. 2 around the corner from Swiftech. Excerpts taken from XS here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89745

QUOTE(nicksterr post #11)
A small mod in the upper plate slightly reduces pressure drop.

Results probaly minimal, but better.

This has not been published yet but will be in the next few days...


and confirmed by Gabe of Swiftech

QUOTE(gabe post #17)
The improvement has to do with internal flow path, and is the result of a suggestion Stew made to me a few months ago. Pressure drop values should be incrementally improved. Overall behavior and flow characteristics of the product remain very similar.

We'll publish updated PD data on the site in a week or so.

Gabe

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post Feb 21 2006, 07:11 PM

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Official announcement of Storm rev. 2 at Swiftnet's site

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/storm-r2.asp

Looks like a G7 top
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:05 AM

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I can only say is this Tjye. Time to remount it. It's definitely that. I'm clocking 2.4Ghz and temps don't hit past 45C on a hot day
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post Feb 27 2006, 06:58 PM

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Jye, we need pics. Regardless blurry or not cos we need visual inspection otherwise we can't say for sure. By the way, how does the heatercore feel in your hands? Warm or closer to hot?
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post Mar 1 2006, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Feb 28 2006, 09:30 PM)
hi everybody, i face a problem here, after using the WC kit from ngbh bulk for few months, i noticed that the liquid inside started to become keroh(malay), become like unclear and i feel like i might need to change to liquid, anyone got any idea of which coolant is the best, coolermaster? thermaltake? or swiftech or just the coolant for car radiator??? unsure.gif  unsure.gif  notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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Personally, ditch the coolant as it's the coolant that is causing the murkiness in the solution. I've even stopped using coolants in mine and have since required drain and refills every 6 months once.
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post Mar 6 2006, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Mar 6 2006, 08:50 AM)
I have re-position the loop, pump ---> G4 ---> VGA WB --> Radiators --> Reservoir.

The temp is the same.
I have done some test on the CPU @ default speed.
Operate in non-air con room.

After hours of torturing at default speed, idle 38c load 41c.
At overclocked speed (2.7G) + increase of vcore (1.65v), idle 38c load 49c.

I can only conclude that the increase of vcore and CPU speed generates more heat. I must have a CPU which "hot" in nature.  tongue.gif
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I'd doubt that. It's definitely your WC setup. Too restictive and some calculations gone wrong actually. Cos my Clawhammer clocking at 9*270 seems to be doing better temps then yours IMHO
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post Mar 16 2006, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(zahri @ Mar 16 2006, 06:10 PM)
are there any other pump's i can use besides the NIROX p2800

i couldnt find the pump around JB.

i did have problem looking around for the fittings.

anyways,

can i use the same pump and put it in line ?

it is 5800 pump.
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Unfortunately my friend, if the pumps meant to be submerged, it is for a good reason as prolonged usage inline would lead to failure. I believe this was explained before in my guide to WC'ing as certain pumps in order to cut cost use motors which generally generate more waste heat cos their cheaper to make. So I'd say try getting someone to purchase for you an Nirox P2800 which still remians in my books the best budget AC pump in terms of performance Vs. heat dump at the moment. Trust me, do not risk using a submerged pump inline especially if you plan to use it for prolonged hours. OP once ran a setup designed by aleck which utilises 2 Nirox P3800's (Which are actually meant for submerged use due to the heat generated) and both went bust after 2 months of usage. Even in an air condtioned showroom

QUOTE(kingmaker_20 @ Mar 16 2006, 07:40 PM)
Got a question here....
What is the best Thermal Compound to be applied between the Processor IHS and the CPU Waterblock?
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Still by far for me AS5 unless you're going something more extreme of at least peltier's if not phase changers

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post Mar 17 2006, 10:41 AM

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Depends on your budget as the Eheim, be prepared to fork out over RM100 even for 1048 model. But very reliable and has an higher average HMax and QMax
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post Apr 23 2006, 09:48 PM

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Nice info you've added there Shah. I'll be sure to include this post into the WC'ing Faq's later on. thumbs up to you
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post Apr 24 2006, 08:14 PM

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Shah, maybe you should offer this as a service for watercooler's out there not all of us are well learnt about circuitry diagrams and have access to the necessary tools. I'd pay for a unit you plan to produce a few. No need to complete it all just build the relay box and attach the necessary molexes which we can fit up later upon receipt
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We'll be awaiting for your preposition as I find it very convienient that my pump will be able to rest too when the comp's off (find unplugging the mains a tiresome affair). If can try to make it similiar to what you're using and a nicer looking bypass switch. Just my 2 cents

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