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post Oct 30 2005, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Oct 30 2005, 04:22 PM)
so I think most probably we will wait for amok....
where is prodigy and his rig and his block?
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That fella's been MIA and Din can't reach him yet. So Prodi9y's out of the race at the moment. Me at the best will have mine up and running on the 14th itself
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post Nov 5 2005, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 5 2005, 02:51 AM)
Selamat hari raya everyone
today I went to the aquarium shop near my place and the shopkeper was telling me that only eheim whould last when run inline, all the other pumps there need to be run submerge in the water.
Is there anything related to the life expentancy of the pump when run submerge vs outside, inline?
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Yes, if the pumps designed to be submerged, it requires to be submerged so as to keep it within operating temperature otherwise you'd risk imminient pump failure
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post Nov 6 2005, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 5 2005, 02:19 PM)
So the normal aquarium pump cannot be used with a inline configuration.
This means I have to find a pump that will do inline from the aquarium shop?
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Indeed, surest bet would be Nirox P2800 and CyberAqua. The rest I'm not sure although I've seen Eheim 1250 replica's lately gpoing for RM100 like that
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post Nov 8 2005, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Nov 8 2005, 06:06 PM)
^^^ good to see you guys did your homework thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif ...  neway the PA160 series rad're using a new/radical design of single row "X" pass system.. thus taking a bit more width than the usual double row, double pass rad.. neway, uncle snipe got your rad ledi?

O.T.:  Look what i've got today ->La La La La

brows.gif will start pimping 2 morrow yeah.
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Cammm siallllllllllllllllllllll....jaga ko amok..jaga ko...kita tengok temp sapa lagik rendah pasnih
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post Nov 8 2005, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 8 2005, 07:31 PM)
Belum lagi lar... that celaka punya sarjan lar.. psycho me say BIX too much backpressure for slow fans.

Sort of undecided now.... BIP scared tarak cukup oomph for winnie+NV40.....BIP2 or PA160 pulak tarak tempat mau pasang.

If BIX kasi slow fan push-pull apamacam?
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wa sulah cakap....mau pakai BIX kena airflow tinggi...you want to use that sucky CM fan sila laa....jangan nanti my BIP with a Delta 120 x 25 mm fan shows lower temps then yours then you're gonna regret a whole lot
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post Nov 9 2005, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 8 2005, 09:15 PM)
Actually I don't think its totally about the airflow issue, I think its more of a pressure issue.
If sniper can get a blower that has a pressure of as much as a 38mm fan and 2/3 of the air flow...I think sniper will see a very good result, and still the blower will be silent. Asking a blower of the same size to do a pressure of a 38mm axial fan is piece a cake...
The other point is, a 80cfm fan when couple with a BIX will not have 80cfm.... probably a 60cfm.......
In this case, I think a push and pull will be quite good as a option to BIX
but how powerfull of a fan for push and full would be much of a debate.
maybe 2 38mm CM alucase fan would do the trick?

Just trying to express what I think, don't snipe me....
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Son, in case you don't know yet, pak sniper t3h pimp is a fan expert who's on a silence fetish which at times penings me cos he demands good temps too. And blower fan are never a good idea unless you want an irritating humm which gets nworse at higher speeds and not to mention the space it takes.

QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 9 2005, 09:18 AM)
haha
like that sniper is only left with BIP2 or a PA160

Amok: when posting result from your ULTIMATE setup? and 1 more thing is, I see you install alot of submerge pump in inline setup in the pump guide, aren't they suppose to be submerge? will they fail? coz I found a nirox 2800 bigger brother that is @ 70w 3.1m mhead and 2200++l/hr flowrate.......... I still think the nirox 2800 is really weak so, I hope will get some enlightenment from you notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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I told sniper just get a BIX if he can find one but he's always being impatient as there's a lack of stock from US online stores for it. And the Nirox P2800 can surprise you a lot TJye. Me and amok have used it against the other higher rated sub 100 pumps and found it to be the best in comparison due to the amount of vibration, reliabillity, as well as the ever irritating heat dump. And Nirox P3800, they are lousy, big time. And where you saw the submerged pumps being installed as inline? In the tips and tricks? Those aren't very thermally efficient as they're actually damn hot after 6 hours continuous use. Trust me as amok lent it to me and used some of them
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post Nov 10 2005, 01:56 PM

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Tolong jangan off-topic sekalian...thread cleaned up
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post Nov 11 2005, 11:05 AM

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Hai amok...tak cukup tygons ker tongue.gif macam tergantung jer D4 tuh...shian dia......wait next week when I hook up mine I'll see how it goes
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post Nov 11 2005, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 11 2005, 12:40 PM)
I'm having problems with the nirox
I use some silicon sealant as told by sargent to seal the pump inlet housing...
but still it is leaking water....
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Forgot to mention, you're supposed to let it dry 2 hours first then apply another layer to make sure all pin hole leaks are cured and fully cure it for 12 hours before using it. Sorrryyyyy

Hahahahahaha...prodi9y's rig pimped by me

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post Nov 14 2005, 07:21 AM

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Here's the initial build. strangely getting higher temps then last time. Will have to look at it later
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Normal temps 47C but load at 49c. So what amok said about temp differences is true. But Why the high normal temps? have to figure this out once I'm free to disassemble it (and also fix a leaky res...grrrr)

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post Nov 15 2005, 02:21 AM

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allan, air masuk mana keluar mana? Give more detailed pics cos I'm kinda interested too. Getting rather irritated with this res of mine actually
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post Nov 18 2005, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(louyeh @ Nov 18 2005, 10:33 AM)
bay reservoirs tend to have leaks from the barbs. worst is HDPE res, youll never know how tight to screw it in cuz the threads can expand.

silicone sealant will work fine. just use the white type, not the translucent one.
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agree with you on that as my res (Thank you sooo much OP for the pain) has started to leak again. Will have to look for epoxy adhesive and redo the damned babrs again to stop the leak. Leak is so bad that I'm loosing like 1 liter for 4 days.

Allan, show me how it looks like and the dimensions and we'll talk, seriously
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post Nov 18 2005, 12:30 PM

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Lookslike Swiftech's gone and done it again. New WB coming out soon and it's called the Apogee. Here's what I managed to grab from XS

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Topic spotted here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80366

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post Nov 21 2005, 09:05 PM

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Arghhhh...stupid pump decided to leak due some hairline crack so patching it up with silicon gunk and hope for the best. Darn thing doesn't have the pressure to push out the airlocks and it's pissing me off. Another 2 hours wait...sigh
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post Nov 22 2005, 01:05 AM

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OK, now fixed up my pump and it's working and temps so far are good. 44C at load temps but will have to see how it goes as the AS5 is still fresh on it. Probably need the 200 hours start and stop before I'll see any real effect. Owh BTW swapped the fan to Panaflo's. A darn sight more silent now
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post Nov 22 2005, 11:22 PM

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A lousy pic of my setup for now. 1/2" ID tygons bebeh

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post Nov 24 2005, 03:55 AM

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babyelf, if you can source them out, Panaflo's are the one's to go for interms of cfm Vs. noise. I'm using one of those and I swear I at times forget that my rig's up and running as it's that silent (Well it is compared to my old Delta Triblade 25mm which looks like below)

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post Nov 24 2005, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 24 2005, 02:41 PM)
i finally bought bigwater and getting around 55 at load.

i am thinking of replacing the pump. any idea where and what better pump to get for bigwater kit ?
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Here we go again. No disrespect to you, but you should have done some research here before going water. If you read properly, there's NO way bar a total overhaul can you improve the temps. Many have ditched their Bigwater's for a DIY setup or (I can't believe I'm saying this cos ianho will kill me) Corsair's HydroCool set. The reason's for Bigwater's weakness:

1. Horrible pump with poor headpressure and flowrates
2. Very simple and inefficient waterblock
3. Poorly airflow restrictive and waterflow unrestrictive tube and fin based radiator
4. And the biggest flaw of all, 1/4" ID tubings

QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 24 2005, 03:00 PM)
theoretically, at same RPM, tri-blade should be less noisy.
but it still comes to motor design and the RPM.
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Well allan. those 2 fans I've mentioned are yours actually. The triblade was the one I bought from you and the Panaflo was the one you sold to another MMU Melaka student a year ago but he never got to use it.

QUOTE(babyelf @ Nov 24 2005, 03:44 PM)
thanks for the tips.. i found some old japanese made 120mm panaflo.. now it's china made or something.. the japanese ones are better.. hehe

i'll get that one..
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Good on you mate. Let us know if you run to any problems or better still PM us if you need any assistance

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post Nov 25 2005, 03:43 AM

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Update on my rigs setup. After letting the AS5 settle down and fix all the air leaks, full load temps ahve improved a lot. Load temps are 42C now (Assisted by the fact that I opened up the back cover of the pump's housing and fixing on a fan to draw away the heat from the Cyber Aqua pump which gained me another 3C due to reduced heat dump)
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QUOTE(babyelf @ Nov 25 2005, 11:13 AM)
got the japanese panaflo... they are bloody awesome.. i can't hear it over my stock cpu fan.. yawn.gif
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Told you those Japan-made Panaflo's were awesome. Best buy one can ever have in terms of fans

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