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 Discussion about watercooling and the results, Version 2

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post Apr 25 2006, 04:04 AM

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QUOTE(Shah81 @ Apr 25 2006, 01:34 AM)
after some calculation, roughly i estimated that the final product price will be in the range of RM25 ~ Rm30. do you think that is reasonable? (for the record, Criticool pump relay cost around RM100 sweat.gif ) oh and maybe i'll use the smallest box that i can fit the circuit into.

btw, what kinda switch that you have in mind... smile.gif
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25 to 30 sounds ok to me as long you're not thinking on a mass production basis. More of a service to us that's all. The rocker switch I'm thinking off are these:

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post Apr 26 2006, 12:55 AM

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DaBad, a wrd of advice. Try again to have a look at my guide. I believe that is the best advuce I can ever give to a WC'er. The block you use is a classic high Qmax based block which although will yield decent results with the P2800, but will have better results if using a higher specced QMax pump. Moderno's theory regarding the radiator has it's point. The longer the period of time the water remains in the rad, the better the temp reductions are gained. How long and restrictive the rad should be is a very complicated matter to resolve. Bill Adam's has a very good article which I've posted too.

As for the rest, read carefully the abovementioned guide and PM me if any problems or questions
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post Apr 27 2006, 12:48 AM

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Don't use push pull, a waste of time. Done my experiments already. A good cfm/pressure fan will sort that out. Best choice is those Japan Panaflo H series or kalau tak mampu sangat, NMB's or Delta's
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post Apr 27 2006, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Apr 27 2006, 12:53 AM)
uh push pull really no use? H1A damn loud weh. Two slightly lower CFM/Pressure fans wont do justice?
Ps... pm me ur test results, wanna check it out.
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No as it only allows at best a more constant average temp, not lowering of temps. I've tested with 2 delta triblades and that's how I came to taht conclusion. Wanna minimise noise? Go for a pull setup. Sorts it out

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post Apr 27 2006, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Apr 27 2006, 01:20 AM)
Hmm... you tested with a BIP right? The BIP being a low airflow resistance rad probably doesnt benefit much from a push-pull setup. I think it would do more justice for a HE or BIX perhaps?
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Nope, same principle itself. You're just ensuring that the airflow is equivalent before and after it passes thru the rad. So overtime as dust accumulates in between the fins, the temps do no deteriorate. 2 fans != improved temps.
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post Apr 27 2006, 06:29 PM

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Already there and done my support
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post May 5 2006, 12:05 AM

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Shah, the best material to mess with IMHO is still Delrin if you can get a hold of it. Acrylic plain cracks too easily if you're not careful tapping the holes out
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post May 5 2006, 02:54 AM

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shah81 kalo nak rough idea how Delrin looks like, check out the Swiftech Storm's and Apogeee's top. That's delrin
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post May 6 2006, 06:42 PM

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I'm not so keen on coolants. This is because besides an anti-corrosion inhibitor (which is unnecessary unless your running a non all-copper loop), it's just not worth it. The last time I used coolants (STP brand) my tygons got murky, algae built up and temps got very bad indeed
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post May 6 2006, 07:18 PM

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And for what purpose Metalzone? redline water wetter I can understand as it prevents algae build up if used moderately but coolants are not a good idea unless you plan to run the rig 24/7 to ensure steady flow and not allow the coolant to manifest itself on the inner wall of the tygons which are reactive to certain chemicals
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post May 11 2006, 01:21 PM

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Please don't double quote here. If you have anything to add if there's no posts after yours, please use the EDIT button
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post May 23 2006, 04:18 PM

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Answer to question #3 provided

Performance wise if by old school thinking, the 3 barb is a better deisgn as it's a impingement method which is meant to create swirl and improve heat transfer. Disadvantage is that it requires a huge HMax pump and also a very messy setup of Y joints too.


The Storm G4 and above was designed to circumvent the disadvantges of the 3 barb method and in the process has proven to be a very effective solution judging by it's Delta values.
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post Jun 3 2006, 04:49 PM

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Nope, if what arj means is what I;m guessing is correct, it's those oil tubings which are bluish in colour
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post Jun 21 2006, 01:59 AM

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Moral of the story: Leak test the buggers before hooking em up. You never know. My old Maze 4 was leaking rat's piss after reassembly
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post Jul 4 2006, 03:03 AM

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I'm guessing that the DDC's that Corsair gets are of lower standard then what Swifty and DD usually gets
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post Jul 5 2006, 03:43 AM

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QUOTE(ichiban @ Jul 4 2006, 07:05 AM)
guys...I have WC setup with opty 165(2.9Ghz @ 1.40v) but i really unhappy with load temp ~ 55C, idle around 39C. Its  too high for water. I used mcp600(pump), mcw6000(cpu), mcw60(gpu), and 2xMCR80(rad). I think the rads hold me back so what you guys opinion bout this.
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Question is why do you have 2 rads? or isit a 2 row rad to begin with. By right the pump that you have which has been rehashed as the Aquaxtreme 50Z is quite a decent pump to begin with. I'm guessing that you did not read my guide stickied which does state the attributes of the MCW6000 as stated here

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=165070

but for your benefit this time, I'll explain why

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2. Swiftech MCW6002/6000 - 45USD - for low power/flow pumps these waterblocks are top performers.. with moderate restriction these waterblocks matched with low power pumps will net decent flow to allow usage of a second waterblock
in other words if you emphasise more of a silent low restriction based it's the best as it's compromised to be for silent computing. But for temps reduction, I'd dare say a Maze 4 would still outperform it. Check the rest of the blocks stated in the link to have a better understanding and do read my tips and tricks. It's there for a damn good reason
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post Aug 30 2006, 10:15 AM

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Hey TJyer, long time no see. Well as for your problem, yeah that solution would be a good choice to go. But for the base, I'd rather lap it to mirror finish. It's more satisfying

QUOTE(lichyetan @ Aug 26 2006, 01:30 AM)
thermaltake new radiators seems promising... anyone tried it???
Thermaltake New Radiator
looking forward how does it perform compared to Swiftech's MCR220 Quiet Power 2X120mm...they got 3c hogher than ambient according to review, which my swiftech set could only afford 6c higher than ambient...
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Dude, those tests aren't really conducted with an A B comparison so I'd take it with a bagful of salt. And 1/4", 3/8" and aluminium? You must be joking me

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Sep 3 2006, 03:04 AM)
Need advices from sifu here. Here planning for my wc setup :-

Waterblock: Dangerden Maze 4 support AM2
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?...1&cat=20&page=1
Pump: Laing DDC pump 12 volt (will put some converter for 1/2 barbs)
http://www.watercoolingshop.com/catalog/pr...products_id=396
Radiator: Black Ice Pro 2 with fan 120mm x 2 or Black Ice Pro with fan 120mm x 1 (since i'm just cooling my cpu)
Tubing: Masterkleer PVC Clear Tubing 5 feet
Water Additives: HydrX

Isn't good for combination? smile.gif
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Laing DDC? Not good idea unless u plan to mod the top. Better get the D5. BIP2? Unless you plan to cool a GC with it, pointless, better to go BI GT leh fren.
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post Sep 3 2006, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Sep 3 2006, 11:11 AM)
Thanks sifu. I'm planning to buy Laing DDC because my friend want to sell around RM100. Isn't good choice if i'm buy it since D5 cost me around RM350. For radiator, i'm looking Black Ice Pro 2 because it cheap if compare with Black Ice GT. sweat.gif
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If you can bear with the air and water flow resistance the BIP has, then go for it. and Laing DDC be careful, there's already 2 cases of dead DDC's in LYN edi. Ask unker ianho about it
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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Sep 3 2006, 01:29 PM)
Then u suggest change to Black Ice GT and MCP650? Isn't enough Black Ice GT 120mm x 1 for cold my cpu and gc because i don't want to make hole at my casing. sweat.gif
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if you work out your air flow and head pressure loss over length correctly, my answer is a yes. BI GT is no slouch and is the succesor of BIP for a good reason

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