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 Modifications on CPS Engine, possible to attain 150bhp on N/A?

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ThunderGod_Cid
post Mar 19 2011, 12:02 AM

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wah, my long post disappeared?
omara86
post Mar 19 2011, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Mar 19 2011, 12:02 AM)
wah, my long post disappeared?
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ThunderGod_Cid
post Mar 19 2011, 12:23 AM

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ahh, found it.

I'd say that,

Campro wouldnt last if turbocharged at high horsies as the crankshaft would break.

To attain 150hp is easy with campro provided you do it the right way and you have the dough.

Start off with the minor things like tuned exhaust system and air intake. From there, you'll have more air going in and out of the engine and you'll need more fuel (touch this later).

One or two of the campro I seen did rebore/polish up their throttle body and the response was marvellous. Kindly talk to a person called reef_d in this forum.

Another thing I saw in some cars were also high cams, well... not too high until erratic idling. Port and polish will also definitely help.
And then, only you add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for more fuel. Better if unichip.

From the above mods, you can clearly see that you're sticking to the basics, more air in, more air out. Thats all you need.

As for the spark plugs, just stick to stock ones, or get the side-gapped ones from the_catacombs to squeeze out that lil bit of extra power and to burn the extra air and fuel completely .

Keeping the engine clean is also important.

To compliment the high cams (that is if you put la), you can get a set of Adjustable Cam pulleys to bring the powerband forward for higher torque, or push the pwoerband far backwords for better top end. You can refer to Drex Chan of EA Autoworks for this. Twin cam engines work best with adjustable cam pulleys.

Added on March 18, 2011, 2:30 pmAs for the braking system, steel braided hose and uprated pads may just do the trick
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post Mar 19 2011, 12:36 AM

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Last time when i was active with this 1 performance crazy group for satria neo campro around shah alam area, there is 1 guy all out modifed his campro engine and he managed to get 200++ hp on engine, not more than 220hp la. Not sure if dori2 ppl or not. But the $$ involved is crazy..This is what i hear they borak2 during TT. Someone did confirm this to me recently...

Did anyone know the hp figures for works engineering campro?Using 4 throttle somemore. Sure high hp also...

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ThunderGod_Cid
post Mar 19 2011, 12:41 AM

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whoa, more air in more air out. huge horses there
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post Mar 19 2011, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Mar 18 2011, 10:36 PM)
BOT with 0.5 - 0.7 bar boost will give out 170 - 180 whp bro...
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Personally never witness any Campro Turbo dyno before
The number i mentioned is something i witnessed back in 09 tongue.gif
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post Mar 19 2011, 01:18 AM

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if really wanna enjoy pick up kaw2, maybe u could try mivec ck gearbox which have 4.6 final drive.CPS gbox final drive is 4.3.That might increase ur pick up a bit.If not enough, try 4.8 @ 5.0 custom final drive. That one sure kaw2 pick up but top speed had to be sacrified la for sure.

If compared to vtec, their torque is not that high as compared to hp figures, but due to their crazy gearbox, the ratio can compensate the low torque. Ppl always say vtec is so nice but without their crazy gearbox ratio, i dont think they can be so famous.
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post Mar 19 2011, 02:05 AM

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Yup, agree with that, if depend solely on the engine, especially b16a, thy engine was famous for the torqueless engine, need to rev kaw2 to get torque..
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QUOTE(omara86 @ Mar 19 2011, 02:05 AM)
Yup, agree with that, if depend solely on the engine, especially b16a, thy engine was famous for the torqueless engine, need to rev kaw2 to get torque..
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Yeah exactly....short stroke engines promotes high revving
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post Mar 19 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(senbe84 @ Mar 19 2011, 12:36 AM)
Last time when i was active with this 1 performance crazy group for satria neo campro around shah alam area, there is 1 guy all out modifed his campro engine and he managed to get 200++ hp on engine, not more than 220hp la. Not sure if dori2 ppl or not. But the $$ involved is crazy..This is what i hear they borak2 during TT. Someone did confirm this to me recently...

Did anyone know the hp figures for works engineering campro?Using 4 throttle somemore. Sure high hp also...

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that car HP is not that high... and it is not daily drivable.... the low end torque is totally crap....
anything below 5.5k rpm, walk also faster... literally
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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 19 2011, 11:49 AM)
that car HP is not that high... and it is not daily drivable.... the low end torque is totally crap....
anything below 5.5k rpm, walk also faster... literally
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Yo bro, how much is the WHP of the Works Engineering Campro?
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The art is to get a flatter torque curve for daily driving
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post Mar 19 2011, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 19 2011, 11:49 AM)
that car HP is not that high... and it is not daily drivable.... the low end torque is totally crap....
anything below 5.5k rpm, walk also faster... literally
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Is it because there's no long air runners for the intake manifold?
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post Mar 20 2011, 02:18 AM

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I also never know about the works campro hp figures,can someone who know's share their figures..Surely some had seen dat campro b4.

Even 4g15 with 4 throttle also can compete with mild modified 4g92, i dont think it would be dat weak..Just my 27 cent...
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post Apr 1 2011, 05:24 PM

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I have decided to hold my project for upgrading the performance of my car for now. Want to wait until Exora Turbo comes out mid this year / end of this year... and see if R3 or anything is going to make an upgrade package for normal CPS / Campro engine like the one they are having with the Neo R3 Performance package (the one with the price range of RM 10,000+ something).

In the mean time... I will look for a meet-up with Gen 2 CPS turbocharged owners and see their feedback. Might join a TT or two with local Gen 2 club members if I can find the time as well.


Thanks everyone for the feedback in this thread.. and sorry for the late reply... I'm a bit busy lately (a lot of stuff to manage and handle tongue.gif )
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post Aug 17 2011, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(Fendizy85 @ Apr 1 2011, 05:24 PM)
I have decided to hold my project for upgrading the performance of my car for now. Want to wait until Exora Turbo comes out mid this year / end of this year... and see if R3 or anything is going to make an upgrade package for normal CPS / Campro engine like the one they are having with the Neo R3 Performance package (the one with the price range of RM 10,000+ something).

In the mean time... I will look for a meet-up with Gen 2 CPS turbocharged owners and see their feedback. Might join a TT or two with local Gen 2 club members if I can find the time as well.
Thanks everyone for the feedback in this thread.. and sorry for the late reply... I'm a bit busy lately (a lot of stuff to manage and handle tongue.gif )
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Proton = turbo (but not BOT) it's built on the engine
Main purpose
- increase torque (as u know 1.6 in exora is really underpower
- Improve FC
(mostly will out next year in Q1)

R3 = Supercharge this is bolt on but the price is PRICY (around 10k~16k)
- without inter cooler (weight reduce) as claim by the vendor the one they develop now no need intercooler
- targeting about 17x~18x whp and 2xx torque
(next year too, but will be late most probably after Q1)




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Walala123
post Aug 25 2011, 11:58 AM

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aiya , for campro engine , just turbocharged your car .

be prepare for frequent maintainance and high fuel consumption
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post Aug 26 2011, 08:34 AM

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anyone heard of dk tuning? i heard that the campro cps can be tuned up to about 130bhp/140bhp with a remap. anyone done this before?

http://www.dktuning.com/home.htm
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post Aug 26 2011, 09:12 AM

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i assume red colour is auto,so power loss even more.even harder...
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post Aug 29 2011, 02:19 AM

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CAI, agressive cam, tuning, full exhaust system from manifold to back, bigger throttle body, port and polish,

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