Hi everyone...


I used to own a manual RX-8 (nice car but very heavy fuel consumption... even more than a 350Z and an Evo) and a Satria GSR stock before I sell off both of the cars, bought a red Kancil and quit my day job to start my own business. My old job is quite ok.. with quite a high salary. But I practically have no life as I will only be on the land for like a week or two before I need to go to my 'workplace' again for 3 whole months. It's not the kind of life I want.




After two years I finally reach the time where I believe I am fully stable.. so I decided it's about time I buy a new car. This time my car of choice is only a Proton. And my pick is Proton Gen.2 CPS (the red coloured one looks very good in my eyes).

Received my car on January... and have been a happy user up until now.




Now I decided to do something to increase the performance of the car (with the emphasis on torque). So I need some suggestion on what I can do?



1) Is it possible to increase my car's performance up to 150bhp without turbocharging? Which one is more cost effective.. turbocharging or N/A?

2) I'm also looking at increasing the braking power of the car. Been looking at both Brembo and Endless. But I need some idea on the price first. Not to sure where else I can go to do my research so anyone knows if these two a good brand?

3) The new R3 Rims here looks very nice. Is this a lightweight rims or not?? Will changing to these rims affect my performance?

http://www.mudah.my/Sport+Rim+Original+R3+...nze-8773798.htm

4) Turbocharging... is it a good idea? I've heard of Xenon's kit: http://www.camproturbo.com/ . But ofcourse I would prefer an unbiased opinion here first before I head there where the opinions will definitely be 'all good'.





I don't usually do 180km/h above on the highway. In fact my highest speed so far has been only about 160km/h.

What I'm looking at is to increase the overall pick-up of the car. For example when some high-speed cruiser (Mitsubishi Lancer GT or Honda Civic) flashing lights at the back of my car... I like to have the liberty of dropping my gear... have the performance to out run them for like 10 to 20 seconds until I reach 160km/h before changing to left lane and giving them the way (didn't disturb the traffic in anyway by doing this ofcourse unless I'm already at 180km/h... I'll just go to the left lane if the road is clear).



Thanks everyone for the help... and CPS engine is good. I'm glad I decided to give them the chance.

wow... tuning a NA car to so high HP is very expensive bro... Hahaha.. Why not you search the CPS tribe and ask some sifu there..

sure its possible but u need to prepare money for it.mayb around rm3k?
better go N/A as the maintenance for turbo car is high and u need to change to a lower compression piston if not mistaken

1. yes it is possible... cams, port polish, intake, exhaust, remap ecu, etc... it can get u 150bhp.... 150whp is a little hard, but not impossible...

2. if u plans to maintain rim size 16", try get small 4pot brakes.... IMO, 4pot is good enough for even track use... evo twinpot would also be a good choice....

3. not sure its lightweight or not... but its not made by Advanti... so, i think it weighs more or less like other similar sports rim... lightweight rims do improve performance, especially during acceleration... slightly heavier rims gives better stability at high speed (above 180kmh)... remember to use good tyres....

4. turbocharging is an all together new chapter adi... bolt on turbo for campro engines used to be highly not recommended as campro internals aint very strong, even in NA terms.... design flaw i would say.... since its ur daily car, i would suggest to keep it naturally aspirated, do some mild mods... make it fun to drive while maintaining reliability... no point having a monster engine but having all sorts of reliability problem....

NA
Port and polish head, change to mild/hi camshaft (matspeed or works eng.) and piggyback/ems to tune

for turbo, 0.5/0.6 bar is alright as claimed by most ppl, with stock internals. tuning is important. need pigyback or other ems for this

This post has been edited by xshiro: Mar 18 2011, 12:51 PM

i thought oem gen2 rims are 15"?

intake, exhaust, pnp head, high profile cams, adj cam pulley, lightened crank pulley, adj fuel regulator, better fuel pump, bigger cc injector, remap ecu or piggyback (unichip enuf already), lightweight 15", change final drive, bla bla bla the list goes on..

you like the red? why not neo cps R3? just a wee bit more modding to get 150bhp..

I'd say that,

Campro wouldnt last if turbocharged at high horsies as the crankshaft would break.

To attain 150hp is easy with campro provided you do it the right way and you have the dough.

Start off with the minor things like tuned exhaust system and air intake. From there, you'll have more air going in and out of the engine and you'll need more fuel (touch this later).

One or two of the campro I seen did rebore/polish up their throttle body and the response was marvellous. Kindly talk to a person called reef_d in this forum.

Another thing I saw in some cars were also high cams, well... not too high until erratic idling. Port and polish will also definitely help.
And then, only you add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for more fuel. Better if unichip.

From the above mods, you can clearly see that you're sticking to the basics, more air in, more air out. Thats all you need.

As for the spark plugs, just stick to stock ones, or get the side-gapped ones from the_catacombs to squeeze out that lil bit of extra power and to burn the extra air and fuel completely .

Keeping the engine clean is also important.

To compliment the high cams (that is if you put la), you can get a set of Adjustable Cam pulleys to bring the powerband forward for higher torque, or push the pwoerband far backwords for better top end. You can refer to Drex Chan of EA Autoworks for this. Twin cam engines work best with adjustable cam pulleys.

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Added on March 18, 2011, 2:30 pmAs for the braking system, steel braided hose and uprated pads may just do the trick

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Mar 18 2011, 02:30 PM

What does steel braided hose functions as?

Got picture?

steel braided brake hoses prevent hose expansion especially when the brake fluid is hot so the driver does not lose brake feel.

how can u compare performance 1.6 with 2.0 gt & civic..

RM 3k?? Seriously?? That's very cheap if I can attain 150bhp from 125bhp..


So large heavy rims do have its advantage.. thanks for the info.

I try my best not to go the turbocharged route... kind of afraid of maintenance and reliability issue.

Thanks for the information... these are golds.


I would you know.. only problem is I got my car in January this year.. while the new Neo CPS was just announced about last couple of weeks.

I don't think it is a wise decision to trade a 3 months old car for something else.


And the idea of increasing my engine performance from 125bhp to 150bhp came after Proton Satria Neo R3 CPS specs are out.
Previously I wanted to ask if it is possible to make my engine exactly like Satria Neo R3 CPS (145bhp with 168Nm). And I found out Proton R3 do have a performance package for Satria Neo to increase the performance... kind of like R3 Satria Neo CPS.

Only thing is the price... almost RM 10,000. I figured with this much budget I probably could get an even better juice from my CPS engine if I ask here first before deciding on the performance kit from R3 or Xenon Turbocharge kit.


It's just a benchmark buddy.. that's the closest I could think of if I were to aim for performance upgrade. No use comparing an apple with another apple in my case as why would I even need a performance upgrade if it's within the same range of performance.

The only thing I can think that is on level with CPS engine is probably Honda City and Toyota Vios. The next stage might be a 1.8 engine and then 2.0s (Civic and Lancer GT).

Just my 2 cents though.. if you do have any suggestion shoot them up.. I'm all ears

first off, really respect you for making a life changing choice in terms of career, hope you are happy enjoy life more now. btw, were you in oil & gas before this?

secondly, i think it would be wise to stick to the NA route for reliability sake.
150hp should be attainable. the R3 mods are at a premium price perhaps you can source parts from other brands. as far as i know, there is a shop called dori-dori autoworks in shah alam that is pretty famous for campro mods.
or, you can try searching for a forum member named maddrive on lowyat. he owns a workshop and would be able to advise you in detail on what mods are needed, and also quote a figure for your consideration.

and finally, yes the r3 rims are really good looking. based on the r3 website, they claim it is lightweight.

Last week I saw a mildly mod Satria Neo Campro with port n polish, high camshaft, high compression piston and unichip piggyback making 169bhp, 190Nm..

are u farking serious?

I drooled at 190Nm

Yup.. a true story..

i guess port n polish rm1000+ , high cam rm2000+ , unichi p maybe 2k ,piston maybe 1-2k , na exhaust rm1k,open pod 500.


for 8k u can turbo with exhaust system.

This post has been edited by dantck: Mar 18 2011, 04:05 PM

drool no more

manual pickup better,gt chance.

This post has been edited by dantck: Mar 18 2011, 04:15 PM

one step at a time bro. You do it all at one time power is pwoer, but you don feel your money worth spent. Do the thing with the least results first

1. air filter
2. exhaust
3. polish throttle body
4. port n polish + fuel reg or unichip
5. high cams