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 Modifications on CPS Engine, possible to attain 150bhp on N/A?

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TSFendizy85
post Mar 18 2011, 12:31 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hi everyone...


I used to own a manual RX-8 (nice car but very heavy fuel consumption... even more than a 350Z and an Evo) and a Satria GSR stock before I sell off both of the cars, bought a red Kancil and quit my day job to start my own business. My old job is quite ok.. with quite a high salary. But I practically have no life as I will only be on the land for like a week or two before I need to go to my 'workplace' again for 3 whole months. It's not the kind of life I want.




After two years I finally reach the time where I believe I am fully stable.. so I decided it's about time I buy a new car. This time my car of choice is only a Proton. And my pick is Proton Gen.2 CPS (the red coloured one looks very good in my eyes).

Received my car on January... and have been a happy user up until now.




Now I decided to do something to increase the performance of the car (with the emphasis on torque). So I need some suggestion on what I can do?



1) Is it possible to increase my car's performance up to 150bhp without turbocharging? Which one is more cost effective.. turbocharging or N/A?

2) I'm also looking at increasing the braking power of the car. Been looking at both Brembo and Endless. But I need some idea on the price first. Not to sure where else I can go to do my research so anyone knows if these two a good brand?

3) The new R3 Rims here looks very nice. Is this a lightweight rims or not?? Will changing to these rims affect my performance?

http://www.mudah.my/Sport+Rim+Original+R3+...nze-8773798.htm

4) Turbocharging... is it a good idea? I've heard of Xenon's kit: http://www.camproturbo.com/ . But ofcourse I would prefer an unbiased opinion here first before I head there where the opinions will definitely be 'all good'.





I don't usually do 180km/h above on the highway. In fact my highest speed so far has been only about 160km/h.

What I'm looking at is to increase the overall pick-up of the car. For example when some high-speed cruiser (Mitsubishi Lancer GT or Honda Civic) flashing lights at the back of my car... I like to have the liberty of dropping my gear... have the performance to out run them for like 10 to 20 seconds until I reach 160km/h before changing to left lane and giving them the way (didn't disturb the traffic in anyway by doing this smile.gif ofcourse unless I'm already at 180km/h... I'll just go to the left lane if the road is clear).



Thanks everyone for the help... and CPS engine is good. I'm glad I decided to give them the chance.

TSFendizy85
post Mar 18 2011, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ Mar 18 2011, 12:46 PM)
sure its possible but u need to prepare money for it.mayb around rm3k?
better go N/A as the maintenance for turbo car is high and u need to change to a lower compression piston if not mistaken
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RM 3k?? Seriously?? That's very cheap if I can attain 150bhp from 125bhp.. blink.gif


QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Mar 18 2011, 12:46 PM)
1.  yes it is possible... cams, port polish, intake, exhaust, remap ecu, etc... it can get u 150bhp.... 150whp is a little hard, but not impossible...

2.  if u plans to maintain rim size 16", try get small 4pot brakes.... IMO, 4pot is good enough for even track use... evo twinpot would also be a good choice....

3.  not sure its lightweight or not... but its not made by Advanti... so, i think it weighs more or less like other similar sports rim... lightweight rims do improve performance, especially during acceleration... slightly heavier rims gives better stability at high speed (above 180kmh)... remember to use good tyres....

4.  turbocharging is an all together new chapter adi... bolt on turbo for campro engines used to be highly not recommended as campro internals aint very strong, even in NA terms.... design flaw i would say.... since its ur daily car, i would suggest to keep it naturally aspirated, do some mild mods... make it fun to drive while maintaining reliability... no point having a monster engine but having all sorts of reliability problem....
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So large heavy rims do have its advantage.. thanks for the info.

I try my best not to go the turbocharged route... kind of afraid of maintenance and reliability issue.

Thanks for the information... these are golds. smile.gif


QUOTE(overfloe @ Mar 18 2011, 02:17 PM)
you like the red? why not neo cps R3? just a wee bit more modding to get 150bhp..
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I would you know.. only problem is I got my car in January this year.. while the new Neo CPS was just announced about last couple of weeks.

I don't think it is a wise decision to trade a 3 months old car for something else.


And the idea of increasing my engine performance from 125bhp to 150bhp came after Proton Satria Neo R3 CPS specs are out.
Previously I wanted to ask if it is possible to make my engine exactly like Satria Neo R3 CPS (145bhp with 168Nm). And I found out Proton R3 do have a performance package for Satria Neo to increase the performance... kind of like R3 Satria Neo CPS.

Only thing is the price... almost RM 10,000. I figured with this much budget I probably could get an even better juice from my CPS engine if I ask here first before deciding on the performance kit from R3 or Xenon Turbocharge kit.


QUOTE(cyberskull @ Mar 18 2011, 02:54 PM)
how can u compare performance 1.6 with 2.0 gt & civic..
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It's just a benchmark buddy.. that's the closest I could think of if I were to aim for performance upgrade. No use comparing an apple with another apple in my case as why would I even need a performance upgrade if it's within the same range of performance.

The only thing I can think that is on level with CPS engine is probably Honda City and Toyota Vios. The next stage might be a 1.8 engine and then 2.0s (Civic and Lancer GT).

Just my 2 cents though.. if you do have any suggestion shoot them up.. I'm all ears smile.gif

TSFendizy85
post Mar 18 2011, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(e30 @ Mar 18 2011, 03:30 PM)
first off, really respect you for making a life changing choice in terms of career, hope you are happy enjoy life more now. btw, were you in oil & gas before this?
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Yes.. sort of. The pay is good but you practically have no life at all.

QUOTE(e30 @ Mar 18 2011, 03:30 PM)
secondly, i think it would be wise to stick to the NA route for reliability sake.
150hp should be attainable. the R3 mods are at a premium price perhaps you can source parts from other brands. as far as i know, there is a shop called dori-dori autoworks in shah alam that is pretty famous for campro mods.
or, you can try searching for a forum member named maddrive on lowyat. he owns a workshop and would be able to advise you in detail on what mods are needed, and also quote a figure for your consideration.
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I am thinking the same thing. I would very much prefer the N/A route for now.

I've heard of the Dori-Dori Autoworks...
The problem though is that I live in Bandar Bahru, Kedah. It's a bit far to go to Dori-Dori Autoworks or any other shops in Selangor and Kuala Lumpur.

If I were to go there... I'd prefer took a week off.. go there have a holiday for a day or two.. and have it done all at the same time. This way I won't have to continuously go to KL whenever I want to add something.

Thanks for the recommendation though.. appreciate it smile.gif

QUOTE(b48753 @ Mar 18 2011, 03:41 PM)
Last week I saw a mildly mod Satria Neo Campro with port n polish, high camshaft, high compression piston and unichip piggyback making 169bhp, 190Nm..
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Seriously?? So this car do have the potential for almost 200Nm... and a healthy 169bhp on N/A. That's good to know. Thanks for the input.


QUOTE(omara86 @ Mar 18 2011, 04:17 PM)
1) Is it possible to increase my car's performance up to 150bhp without turbocharging? Which one is more cost effective.. turbocharging or N/A?
yes, u can... but performance to cost for N/A far higher than turbocharging...  RM10k for N/A around 140whp - 150whp... RM8k for turbo u get 180whp, spend 2k for full UR bar set (around RM1.5k for full set)...


4) Turbocharging... is it a good idea? I've heard of Xenon's kit: http://www.camproturbo.com/ . But ofcourse I would prefer an unbiased opinion here first before I head there where the opinions will definitely be 'all good'.
i've spend 1 month to explore the whole camproturbo forum and asking around about it. and i cant find any other brand that can deliver such a good package for S4PE/S4PH... they hav name in the campro mod arena... u can ask around and meet the customer in person to get their testimonial... xenon's customers r friendly and they willing to help and explain if we need it... and xenon's package comes with 1 year warranty...

p/s: actually i shud hav mine installed last week but since i hav some urgent pc supply project, i used my camproturbo money 1st, payment in 2 weeks time and then i will cont again my project...

ppl may see my post as fanboism and biased... i juz wanna share wat i know...
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I am going to assume that you are talking about Xenon's Turbokit??

You sure his turbocharging kit complete set ready to drive on the road is only RM8,000?? I heard it goes all the way up to RM 12,000 and RM 13,000 complete with everything (management etc so the reliability issues won't appear later). Or is it RM 8,000 without management?? sweat.gif sweat.gif


QUOTE(shazmn @ Mar 18 2011, 06:42 PM)
dude...that pic is a hoax...originally it was 82.1whp i photoshopped it to let the joke runs within our circle ONLY...
this is the original pic sweat.gif

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he got that result from a wrongly tuned standalone...
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Seriously dude?? sweat.gif sweat.gif


Added on March 18, 2011, 6:47 pm
QUOTE(b48753 @ Mar 18 2011, 05:38 PM)
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Actual whp is 153, while bhp 169..coz it's manual tranny
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wow.. what did he do on his car??

This post has been edited by Fendizy85: Mar 18 2011, 06:47 PM
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post Apr 1 2011, 05:24 PM

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I have decided to hold my project for upgrading the performance of my car for now. Want to wait until Exora Turbo comes out mid this year / end of this year... and see if R3 or anything is going to make an upgrade package for normal CPS / Campro engine like the one they are having with the Neo R3 Performance package (the one with the price range of RM 10,000+ something).

In the mean time... I will look for a meet-up with Gen 2 CPS turbocharged owners and see their feedback. Might join a TT or two with local Gen 2 club members if I can find the time as well.


Thanks everyone for the feedback in this thread.. and sorry for the late reply... I'm a bit busy lately (a lot of stuff to manage and handle tongue.gif )

 

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