i can confirm now that our interview is way harder than JPAs. so if u prepare 7 days before JPA interview, u should prepare 7 weeks for UTM's .

halo there, may i knw wat is the different between bachelor of science in architecture ( Honours ) and bachelor of art in architecture (Honours)?
and Honours means?

From which university?
There is no difference. Some also call it B. Building Sc. or B Env. Sc. Some are equvalent to Part I, others are not accredited.

It is B. Arch (or, in some unis, they call it M. Arch now) that matters. You cannot be an architect with a BA or BSc, it's just an intermediate degree halfway through the B.Arch. course, which you can't do much with (half-baked architect if you like).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_under..._classification

I checked through the education fee through http://www.utmspace.edu.my/portal/permohonan/pdf/yuran.pdf.

So is there any campus over East Malaysia? Cause I saw Pusat Pembelajaran Msia Timur with higher education cost or does that mean the education fee for East Malaysian?

Are the costs Per annum or total course for Bachelor position?

Architecture is SBS right?

This post has been edited by yen2009: Apr 18 2011, 09:37 PM

no, there's no UTM campus in east malaysia. just centers where people gather during the classes, that's all. if the east malaysian wanna fly over every weekend to semenanjung, then u can pay the UTM or Luar UTM fees . the extra cost is just to cover the costs of flying the lecturers over to you.

and yes, all UTM SPACE programme are taught by actual UTM lecturers in that particular field. we dont employ outsiders to teach for us. we have franchise programmes for that .

for architecture, i dont think they're offering in east malaysia yet.

the cost is the total for the entire bachelor degree.

wat about taylor/UCSI uni? i mean if i finish the degree course in tat uni, can i bcum an architect in malaysia? wat about if i register for PART II exam individually after finish tat degree course? n wat procedure should i need to do?

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Added on April 19, 2011, 1:29 amso, hw long the part time degree in architecture studies should be go normally? can i make an exception if im from diploma holder?
1 more thing is, is tat the part time architecture studies oni available in KL right? jz wanna make sure it~


This post has been edited by rayno: Apr 19 2011, 01:34 AM

i suggest u go refer to the 1st post first.

u cant take the part 2 exam if u dont have a part 2 equivalent degree.

architecture normally takes at least 5 years after STPM, or 6 years after SPM.

if u hold a diploma in architecture, u may get an exemption of 1 year off the part 1 degree.

UTM SPACE is being offered both in KL and skudai.

Your question is answered if you read page 1 of this thread - route to becoming an architect.

It seems there are a lot of students who enrol in the IPTS's without knowing what they are getting into, which is really surprising. For all the money the parents spend on their education, the students are not aware of their future.
The truth is that you are still a long way from becoming an architect after completing the B.Sc in Architecture in the IPTS like Taylor's or UCSI. The IPTS would not highlight this to you for obvious reasons.

My advice is that going through the IPTS is not the recommended route.

I know a parent whose son finished his diploma at Taylors. He went on to continue his studies in the UK. He got his B.Sc after studying there for 2 years and he told his parent that he had finished his degree in Architecture and he would be doing his post-graduate degree( Masters) for another 2 years. The fact is that, the 'M. Arch' that he will be getting is not even equivalent to LAM Part II since it is not accredited and he would need to take the LAM exams again upon returning to Malaysia in 2 years' time.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Apr 19 2011, 11:16 AM

Background: About 4500 applicants applied for diploma of architecture in UTM, where over half of them picked UTM as 1st choice. Only 150 candidates were shortlisted and called for the interviews. The interview has been conducted in UTM KL, and only about 120 candidates came. The interviewers consisted of lecturers of architecture attached to UTM, some (like me) were invited from the degree school in Skudai to give a more thorough selection. The interviewers were divided into 3 panels and interviewed about 40 candidates each. Eventually, 30 students have been selected. at the moment, I have no idea who the 40 are other than the few I’ve selected from panel 1.

impressions after interviewing the diploma candidates.

As I’ve mentioned earlier, i was a bit disappointed with most of the candidates who came for the interviews. Most of them were unprepared. They have no idea about architecture or the course. And little did they know about UTM, apart from what they could dig from UTM's official website. i was even more disappointed as they were all good paper candidates: most of them scored at least 5 As in SPM, and quite a number with 8A+!

Sure, there were a few diamonds. some knew a lot about architecture that they could give a good critique over it. One even actually went out of her way to work in architect’s office as a clerk just so that she could catch a glimpse of the profession. For sure she would know more about what she’s getting herself into than the rest.

Others have impressive resumes that we don’t have to even bother interviewing. Like I said before, if you win anything at national level, you’d stand a good chance. Winning an art/design competition at international level? That’s more than a bargain for us!

But for the rest, unfortunately they don’t seem to be serious or really interested in the course. They can’t even give us a convincing answer to “Who’s your favourite architect?”. Some did drop a name or two, but when queried further, they have no idea what building that particular architect built, or describe anything about his style or approach. We even switched to simpler questions like “What’s your favourite building in your home town?”, and most reasons given were “because it’s beautiful”, “because I like it”, or “because it’s near my house”!

It’s pathetic and childish! This is the very reason why we insist taking STPM students. Critical thinking is such a crucial factor in our interviews. Only few fared well. Some resorted to some script that they have memorized before. Prof. Bashri, who was a panel with me, is a specialist on human behavior. He can read people like a book, and it’s very easy for him to detect if you’re memorizing something or genuinely giving an opinion, regardless if you’re under stress or not!

Candidates need to understand that for us, the interview serves a few purposes:

a. A tie-breaker.
b. Looking for talents not assessed by the school or exams (SPM/STPM etc).
c. Looking for additional qualities that might be an asset to the university.
d. Choosing our own prospective students.
e. Looking for what the student could offer us in the future.

So when you come in with absolutely zero knowledge and have nothing to offer us, perhaps you’re not ready for architecture. Some of the candidates had an architect in the family, but they never even bothered to ask them about the profession. I mean, just go spend some time in their office and see for yourself what you’re getting into. Or the least you could do is to ask them to prep or groom you ready for the interviews! Why waste time if you’re not even going to do some research or homework? Architecture is 95% your own sweat. We’re not going to take just some Tom, d*** or Harry just because the results shows that you’re in the top 2% of Malaysia. We’re not easily impressed with grades; we’ve seen it all before.

So we’re looking for that extra edge, that one little drop of juice, a glimpse of a diamond in the rough. If you’re not ready, don’t bother. We need people who’re physically able, mentally sound and financially secure. It’s not just a requirement for intake; it’s a requirement for survival in this profession.

And don’t think that your father is some big shot architect/professor/politician/minister, if you don’t make the cut, it’s because there are lots of other people better than you. An overzealous mother approached me just before the interviews, right in front of the other parents, trying to persuade me to take her son in. I can tell you it makes no difference what you offer me, if your child is not good enough, they’re not going in.

So for those going for the degree intake, I advise you to seriously prepare yourself for the interviews. It’s harder than JPA’s, as they won’t be seeing you again should they pass or fail you. But we do. It’s like taking a driver’s license. The JPJ guy might not care much about you, but your parents would, as you would be driving for them in the future. If you’re crap, then better not bother driving for them, as you would risk your life as well as theirs!

4500 candidates, 150 interviewed, and only 30 offered. Just imagine how many we had to disappoint. Just imagine how far the top 30 had to go in order to get in. And just imagine how well have you done in order to be selected. Just imagine…

Yeah, the chance of getting a place in UTM is like striking a lottery.

even lottery is easier. all u need to do is buy a ticket and wait.

Dear Mr. Azarimy,

May we know the procedure which used by UTM to shortlist the 150 candidates for interview from the 4500 applicants?

hahahaha. i think you are the guys in the right side i think.

i prepared a lot of point in english. but when you asked me in BM. my mind went blank . haha.

wondering when you gonna ask me in english. but ,when the time you asked me in english. my mind

went blank again . hahaha.

you have told me that i speak like in the tv right? yeah, you can say that. most of the time i learn to

speak by watching tv. just a few weeks before the interview i started to take english class.

i'm really not satisfied with my performance. but it is really good experience.

are there will be second intake? i want to try once more.

actually, UPU does all the work. they rank the candidates according to their SPM results, co-curricular points, choice #, family background, income etc. then they will give UTM a shorter list and we sorted the final 150. mostly if u put UTM as 3rd choice and above u will almost never get called.

i'm the one on YOUR LEFT.

and i said u talk like from a script. u have to be prepared mentally, but not memorizing facts or something.

there will be no interview for 2nd intake. u will be called when any of the top 30 declined the offer. beyond the 30, there is the reserved list. if ur name is in there, u will be called.

oh, i hope i will be accepted if my future are in this profession.

may Allah S.W.T show me the right path.

most common answers given when asked:

"why do u want to be an architect?" or "why architecture?"

- bcoz i wanna be famous one day.
- bcoz my father/brother/uncle/jiran is an architect.
- bcoz i wanna design new buildings.
- bcoz it's been my dream since i was small.
- bcoz i like buildings.

"why UTM?"

- bcoz it's the only one i could apply with SPM.
- bcoz my father/brother/uncle/jiran/senior/teacher/counselor said it was the best.
- bcoz i heard it's the only one offering architecture.
- bcoz this guy on the internet called azarimy said so.

"why diploma? why not degree?"

- bcoz i heard STPM/matrics/a-levels is hard.
- bcoz i dont want to go to school anymore.
- bcoz it's the only way to be an architect.
- bcoz it's cheaper than doing a degree.
- bcoz it's faster.



can u see how shallow and misguided some of the answers are? if u plan to answer like this in the future, dont bother going for the interview .

ya, i finished read the 1st post,
tat mean, UTM SPACE in skudai hv offer part II architecture while UTM SPACE in kl oni offer Sub-Part I right?
for part II, it need take 8 years? wat about sub part I in kl? hw long it should be go?
jz wanna make sure of it

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Added on April 19, 2011, 5:13 pmyes, im agree wif u, bt the problem is... IPTA quite difficult to get in since they need many procedure like interview, exam test, and so on...
btw, im applying IPTA too bt nt in UTM bcos my poly lecturer told mi UTM nt gonna to take poly student except u r full of knowledge, and skill in term of architecture scope...


This post has been edited by rayno: Apr 19 2011, 05:23 PM

UTM SPACE only offers degree. the duration for that is about 7 years, depending on how many credits u take. and bear in mind UTM SPACE programme requires a diploma now. no SPM or STPM intakes anymore.

the reason for the procedures is simple: there are too many people applying. if that puts u off, then it is successful in turning away people who're not that interested in the course, hence making the number of applicants smaller and more manageable.

and UTM takes more polytechnic students than any other architecture schools. but yes, we tend only to take the top students. i mean, who wouldnt? .

anyways, it is absolutely YOUR CHOICE to make, be it IPTA or IPTS. but before u fall on one side or the other, make sure u make an informed decision!

7 years mean include the exemption yet or nt?
Degree mean PART I right? UTM SPACE in skudai and kl r offer same lv ? wat so different between that? bside the location
tat r gud new for all poly student, if the UTM SPACE oni offer for diploma holder bcos tat r quite difficult for poly student to compete wif STPM holder,
they lv r bit high~~

yes, 1 more thing, MR, is there UPM and UKM take poly student? bcos i hv no idea for that Uni for taking poly student o nt?
btw, im nt so confident may success to get in tat Uni since my pointed nt so satisfy by mi, bt hv 3.00 at least...


This post has been edited by rayno: Apr 19 2011, 05:39 PM