Both.

How can a 10 year old boy has 10 years experience?

RM 2.2k is probably too little but again I'm not sure how's the market back in Penang, how big is your company and nature of business for your company.

Selangor ah, then too little already.
I'm not a dude la.

Too bad for you then, you gotta do something to progress further.

Er, nothing to hide for now. It is on my profile page.
25 already lo, old already.

And why did you ask?

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 22 2011, 11:51 AM

OK OK la..
Enough to makan only.

Er, professional? I don't think so la. I'm just a junior HR practitioner.

Plus allowance. Basic is just 3.5k now.
But there is a revision starting from next year's January.
My new basic is around 4k.

No, you are wrong. We do our work professionally, we don't overpay or underpay anyone.
We conduct market research and pay as what the person deserves for.
For what want to jealous at others? They earn more than us.
Additionally, I'm working in a big scale MNC. MNC doesn't work like normal local company.
For those working in MNC will clearly understand how good the benefits are.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 22 2011, 02:36 PM

I agree Linkedin is a good start for fresh grads to build up their profiles.

I do agree 4k+ at the age of 25 is seriously nothing amazing. If the engineers in my company can earn at least 6k or more (if they travel to overseas) at the age of 25, I find mine rather puny.

I don't complain as the nature of our works is so different. Since I have chosen this field, I'll work hard to progress further.

I'm now working towards the HR consultancy area and that's the new trend of HR. We don't focus on those payroll and other petty stuffs anymore, as these are heavily outsourced to third party. We are working towards the goal to be HR business partner.

I believe in every field, there are still many rooms for improvement. The problem is, will you move on and accept the challenge?

I'm surprised that there are still people who judge HR in such manners.
Most of the big companies have already outsourced their payroll system and their HR has no time to check on dress code and attendance.
Talent management is so important these days, without that employees will not grow and stay longer with the company.

Too bad for your case. I'm not in O&G.

Since this is my first employment and I have been attaching to MNC, let me enlighten you with MNC's working environment.
Every business unit has their own allocated salary budget, HR will base on the budget and propose a salary proposal to the line managers. After everyone is agreeable only we will communicate to the candidate. Sometimes, the candidate will negotiate, we will then relook into the proposal again see if it is on high end. If it is, we will not proceed further.

Get the point now? What for we want to feel jealous? Do you know almost everyone in the organisation earns more than me? I'm one of those with the lowest salary? Do I need to envy or commit suicide because of this? No, I understand the difference in my job nature and years of experience. Nothing to argue and everyone has a price tag.

Who prepares salary for HR people? Does that even matter? HR is also a business unit and has an allocated salary budget, so our colleagues will pay as what we deserve for. If we think it is too low, we can choose not to accept at the first place.

I hope the above enlightens you a bit. To be honest, your assumption above shows that your exposure in working life is still shallow or/and your HR really acts in such a manner.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 23 2011, 09:16 AM

Too bad, that's not what happening now.

Yes, during my last salary revision review, my boss proposed a figure to me which I'm quite satisfied.
She turned around and asked me this question, "Now your salary has moved on to a new figure, how do you think you can cope with your heavier responsibilities and expectations? You see, with this revision; we expect more from you."

Sometimes I really hope no revision at all.

Er, I don't think he is in Sales line.
For 29 years old and still earns 3k, I think that is considered really low. Consider inflation and things are so expensive these days. You have to move on and improve your skill set to progress to another corporate ladder. Else, your career development will not be that significant and directly contributes to your little increment and promotion.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 23 2011, 04:27 PM

No harm trying, part of career life anyway.
Of course with that increment, responsibilities will be high as well.

Though in many scenarios, I must emphasise that salary and benefits are not the main key factors to determine one's direction. Most of the time, one should look the prospects of the new role, how it can help you to progress further.

However in this situation, chunfai82 is already suffering with low pay (against his age and inflation rate in Malaysia), this definitely worth a try for better job prospects and higher salary.

Seriously, RM 2k is just way too low to start off with these days, even with just a Degree for most of the fresh grads out there. What's worse when you have more than that?

Bargain and look out for the best (or better). Sometimes we need to have expectations, else we can't fare further.

That's my humble advice.

Sounds like from O&G industry.
Well, is 2.4k considered a normal pay in Miri? Probably geographical difference that causes Miri has lower pay?

Well, who says O&G's start pay >3k?
Different positions have different salary range.

He didn't even mention his position.

I said "sounds like". Probably you missed out that part eh? It is not even a conclusion.
Previously there was a forummer here who was earning 2.5k in O&G industry, and with few years of experience.
So, in short again; O&G doesn't really guarantee good pay sometimes.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 29 2011, 10:04 AM

Well, that's my point. Different positions have different salary range.

If they ask for justification, then you need to state out. Else, you don't bother telling them the reason.
But most of the cases, yes they will ask.
So, be prepared with the answer ya.

I have RM 2000 per year for optical + dental...