Yeah, RM 5.6k for managerial level does sound little to me as well.

Then too bad, I was just assuming based on PFZ's reply.
If it is just an individual contributor role, then it is a good start for a higher pay.

My ex-roommate just finished hers in October for RM 2k I think, or somewhere RM 1.8k. Can't really recall. Hers will be in KL and now she is working for them after chambering. Current pay is RM 3k.

And your point is?
After that, their pay will be doubled or tripled in very short time.
Chambering is just 9 months by the way.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Dec 7 2011, 08:26 AM

Well, it depends how do you define "comfortable".
It depends which type of house, car you are looking at.
Kids education, which level?

Even for singles, 2k is not doing much justice in KL. Things are so expensive here.

Usually contract has higher pay to compensate the loss of benefits and job security.

I'm on contract by the way but my boss gives me all the benefits a permanent should have and retains the pay of a contract staff.

Er, at 28 years old earning 3k is difficult these days. Probably can survive but not much of saving.

That's the reality because everything is so expensive these days.

Yet again, not sure about your job's salary range. That may be common for your industry.

Anyway, I just received a revised salary adjustment yesterday. Effective 01.01.2012. New title as well.

Job Title : HR Executive to Specialist (2012)
Age: 25
Job Description : HR operational related stuffs, payroll, employees' engagement, training and development, recruitment and resourcing.
Years spent in company : 2 years by 31st Dec 2011.
Company : MNC
Industry : Telecommunication
Tenure : Contract but enjoying permanent benefits
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining : None, just internship with the same company (6 months)
Basic Salary : Started with RM 2.8k (2010) and adjusted to RM 3.5k (2011), soon will be around RM 4.1k (2012).

There are fixed allowances of RM 500 per month. RM 2k for optical and dental per year. Medical (outpatient) is RM 1.7k per year. Hospitalisation is basically unlimited.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Dec 15 2011, 11:46 AM

First and foremost, if you notice up there. I did mention my tenure is - contract. As a contractor, my salary has to be higher because I lose out a lot of things compared to permanent. Permanent only gets about 4% adjustment on yearly basis but their basic is already high enough. Not forgetting other fixed allowances which are higher than mine.

The most important thing is their job security. I might lose my employment anytime.

Still I believe that everyone is "disposable" these days.

I hope this clears most of your doubts.

Too bad then.
Probably you don't understand the difference between a permanent and contract staff.
Some contract staffs are paid USD 250 on daily basis or even more.
Probably you will need to expose more to different employment types.

Many people don't accept contract basis employment due to job security. Your employment can be stopped anytime and you can just lose your job with a short notice. This is not acceptable for many married employees. I'm still single, so I dare to take up the risk.

My contract is only until next year's June, but subject to renewal should such need arise. However, my employment will be terminated anytime even though before June 2012.

Now, does this make any sense?

Anyway, contract employment is very common these days.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Dec 15 2011, 03:14 PM

It is 600, not 700.
And why can't I get to know now? My contract for this year is ending 31st Dec.
If this is not made known to me now, then when? I'll be signing my new contract next week because I'll be going on leave until early next year.
FYI, the initial proposal was lower than that, but I spoke to my boss and she understood and got me a higher increment.
I'll be handling so many things in next year and I can't easily go on leave anymore. Even though I have plenty of leave to clear next year.
Imagine I can only take leave from 23rd-30th every month. That's the allowed duration.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Dec 15 2011, 03:28 PM

MNC. Not in Cyberjaya.
Our company just implemented 6 months for one renewal, no longer on 1 year basis.
No, not only on mistake. When there is redundancy and company is not doing good, I have to go as well.
So, there is no job security actually.

Not my company, for those skilled consultants, we will absorb them into permanent.
Do you feel surprised with the figure? I

Haha. That's why I got bombarded for some guys who can't believe on my increment.

Now you understand on my job security right? So, don't mention about me blowing cow or anything lo. That's how the world works now.

Yesterday my sister told me her friend's husband is an Assistant National Sales Manager for a reputable air-conditioning company but has a monthly salary of RM 4k.
I basically stunned because I'm earning more than him and I'm just a plain administrator.
My boss always tells me that job title is not important. She can even grant me a fancy title but doing work which doesn't match the title and salary.
I used to love seeing fancy job title but after 2 years of working, I guess title is a just title. I believe my sister's friend's husband is just a normal sales executive.

Well, I doubt so. He sometimes takes money from the wifey.
Not sure how true is that.
But yes, some sales roles can really earn a lot but if no sales means can makan sendiri already.

No, different field requires different needs. Like my company, we don't favour job hopper. What's the point of hiring someone when you know you can keep him/her for only one year? Waste resources.

Some industries are alright with job hopper but not all.

So, it is not all about old fashioned culture or anything. It is about the requirement from the company.

I'm a HR practitioner from a MNC, we are not a conservative company but when it comes to recruitment, job hoppers are not the one we are looking for. There are candidates who successfully made into our company though they change company very often of course with very valid reasons (i.e. restructuring, previous company ramped down and etc.).

This post has been edited by fruitie: Jan 5 2012, 04:34 PM

3 years are quite OK.

Luck yes, but I would say with minimal role.
Join a good company, leverage your strengths, you can move up faster than the others. Maximize your potential and gain as much as you can when you are still young.
Be passionate in your job, with passion things move faster.

My university friends, same field, same Degree and one of them with a better result than mine; yet I'm earning more than them, about 1.5x or more depending on locations.
I'm lucky because I was accepted to join a good company and with wonderful working environment.
This triggers my passion and I always strive to learn as much as I can. My ex-bosses can see my effort and fought the best remuneration package for me every year.
I'm still in the same company but I was being recommended to another superior and have taken up a new role beginning of this year and reporting to a new manager. Tougher life but I know this is the best arrangement for me.

Of course you can. Some companies require 1-2 weeks notice for those haven't passed probation.

True. I fully agreed.
Though I'm earning above average for the people at my age and doing the same field as mine.
Still, I see my saving is not much. I spend more than I save. Sadly.
I don't even have commitment like property or vehicle yet. I have a free car from my sister.
Yet, I don't think I can afford any property for this coming 5 years.
I'm earning puny 4.1k at 25 years, I'm a HR practitioner. Only have 2 years working experience.

Yeah, I do understand and my family has been bugging me to own a property soon.
Still, as a contractor, it is difficult to get bank loan. That's the reality.
Well, let me be a permanent staff one day, then I think I'll be eligible.

Sadly, I don't have a BF to share the pain with me. I'm a workaholic, in a way...