Basic, in fact more than 3k actually. Usually ranges around RM 3.2k, if plus everything can be another additional 1k.
I'm talking about engineers ya.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 19 2011, 05:31 PM

It depends on your position, job descriptions, company and industry.
Though this is not that important but academic qualification as well...
So, not necessary by looking at the figure you can judge yourself to be underpaid.

My previous reply is still applicable: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=46132769

Multi-tasker.
One of the keys to survive these days.

Yes.
The standard of living in these two areas is so different.
I can have a chap fan lunch at Sooka Sentral for nearly RM 9 and go back to my place (PJ) for dinner, it can cost RM 4.00 for chap fan.
Seriously if don't get higher salary in this kind of working area, I don't think I can survive.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 20 2011, 04:46 PM

Actually RM 2.5k also can survive but can't have luxury lifestyle.
With this kind of standard of living, I can assure most of the fresh grads who are earning below RM 3k barely have much savings... I know how it felt.

Of course I know, just ate that today. Already in KL Sentral for the past 2 years.
The problem is my office building is just behind Sooka Sentral, we always have meeting after lunch, so can't walk further.

OK, enough of off topic.

That's why, nothing to be surprised about if working in MNCs.
Benefits in MNCs are relatively better, I know that because I'm in a MNC.
Luckily we don't pay new joiners by looking at their results. Else, I'll be few hundred poorer.

I'm not employed by LYN la.
I'm in a MNC myself.

Yeah, it depends which type of benefits you are looking at. I prefer higher basic, better for next leap.

Out of sudden, yesterday I was being called for a discussion with my bosses on my contract. As mentioned before I'm on contract basis, yearly renewal basis. So, they told me they still couldn't get me a permanent headcount, despite have been trying for the past 2 years... If I were to continue, that's going to be my third year as a contract staff. However, my benefits remain and they are the same (or about the same) as permanent.

They gave me two choices, to stay on my current role or move on to another new role. My current role has lesser emphasis on HR operational and the newer role offers me better challenges and it will look good on my CV as well for it is a pure 100% HR operational functional role.

With my current role, I still do some operational roles on and off though the involvement isn't that heavy. My bosses see the potential in me of taking up this new role. Though my heart wants to take up the offer but another part of myself feels reluctant to move on. I have been too comfortable in my current zone and that's how things quite sucked up actually!

Another reason for such reluctance is that if I were to take up this new role, I'll be no longer reporting to my current line manager, who has been a great mentor of mine ever since I was positioned under her supervision during my internship back in 2009. She has been my role model and taught me so many things and in fact she was the one recommended me to take up this new role. We both adapt to each other's working style, I know she is a perfectionist; so I always try to reach more than her expectation when comes to her tasks completion. She knows I prefer flexibility in doing my work and doesn't like the feeling to be monitored, she gives me reasonable deadline and allows me to start working at 10.00 a.m. every day. All in one, besides being the boss, she is like my elder sister in the office. She takes extremely good care of my welfare and well-being in the company. My big boss is also the same, another fine lady that doesn't treat us as her subordinates, more to her peers and doesn't show any bossy attitude.

I have requested for some times to consider this and since I'll be away for the next whole week for a vacation, I will then use the opportunity to think thoroughly and to determine what I should do next.

Remuneration package hasn't been discussed, I know the new role will offer me higher increment compared to my current role. If finally I choose to continue with my current role, I will still be offered with increment. Though, I believe it won't be as high as the new role as the job scopes will not be that heavy.

I'm quite in dilemma because the new role might make reporting to an expat in China, I don't know her that well. In fact, I have not spoken to her before, even virtually. Basically, she won't be physically stationed in Malaysia, so she will be supporting me remotely. Unlike the current boss, she is just sitting next to me...

Sorry for the long rant as I need to spill this out before I sleep. I couldn't really sleep well as both decisions are equal hard for me to take up. Currently package excludes other allowances is RM 3,500 basic. I'm actually expecting more than 4k this time, for both roles.

Actually no, my primary aim wasn't looking for a permanent employment. If I do, I wouldn't have been here for 2 years.
I don't mind being a contract staff because I earn more than those in the market. I'm still young so contract or permanent isn't something important to me. Of course, if I were to be given a permanent employment, that will be much better. Else, I'm fine with it.
The structure of our organization is very matrix and dynamic, everything goes back to global level when it comes to headcount approval. I do know how tough it is because I'm in recruitment myself. It can go up to 3-4 levels for just for a mere small potato position.

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Added on October 25, 2011, 8:58 amOh ya, just to add on. My good life here surpasses the thought of being a contract staff. Seriously, nobody bothers and cares about my employment. My colleagues from other departments will pull me in for any activities and outings. That's the reason why I'm still here until today. The bonding among us is the primary reason and monetary is the secondary reason.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 25 2011, 08:58 AM

Justin, thanks for the reply. Somehow whatever you have mentioned up there already crossed my mind. I was just being in denial actually. I knew the newer role gives me more exposure and it is a full set of HR spectrum. I believe that is what all junior HR practitioners are looking for, exposure.

I kept telling others to move out from comfort zone but I'm not doing that myself.

Yes, though I'll no longer reporting to her, we will still be supporting each other in our role, heavily in fact. Just that, knowing she might not have a say in my performance anymore, it hurts me a little bit. What's more when my new line manager will be just virtually available for me when I need her assistance.

Haha. About the same rank, this is what she has told me before too.

Anyway, I guess I need to move on and accept the second role.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 25 2011, 10:38 AM

Haha. True true. I got the point very well.

Yes, everyone is so disposable in MNC. I know that too well. Being in recruitment role for the past 2 years, I guess my understanding and grasp on this are pretty strong. So, I do know how hard have my bosses tried to convert me into a permanent. Not that they don't want to but they can't. I'm too junior to be considered with a permanent position. So, after so many years, seriously it doesn't bother me anymore.

Yes, too comfort that I don't wish to move on. I just wish to be static, at times. I still can't get it now because my new contract only officially starts on 01 Jan 2012.

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Added on October 25, 2011, 3:27 pmI'm sorry for the long rant, you guys may continue with your usual discussion. I shall pop in when I'm free.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 25 2011, 03:27 PM

My ex-roommate back in university just finished chambering and now will start with a proper employment in law firm, junior lawyer. RM 3.2k.
Her chambering was RM 1.5k I heard.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 28 2011, 10:30 PM

RM 2200-RM 2500 is way too low for 2 years experience.

Just to update on my latest case, I'll have to inform my bosses on my decision on next Tuesday.

After a long consideration (approx 2 weeks), I think I'll stay and accept the new role.

Salary wise, this wasn't officially communicated to me yet but I was told that I'll get about 20% increment. I'm expecting 4k.

Wah, with that salary and you are trading off your health with it, not worth.
Not like the salary is with astronomical figure, it is considered low.
Good luck in your future employment!

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 10 2011, 11:55 AM

Actually oh... 2.5k for MNC's fresh grad is considered normal. Most of the MNCs pay more than that.

Anyway, good luck in your first employment.

Working life is very enjoyable.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 10 2011, 06:09 PM

Actually industry plays an important role.

Not about underpaid matter, it is more to future career progress. If you go to office just to kill time. Something is very wrong in your current job.

You gotta do something and make use of your own sets of knowledge.

Better look out for something better, else your salary will not have much increment in the coming years. As your qualification, experience and knowledge don't fulfill into their requirements.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Nov 17 2011, 11:56 AM