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 Fundamentals of Overclocking, NEWBIES PLS READ THIS BEFORE POSTING

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edwin3210
post May 20 2007, 11:45 PM

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ya, that is why i was shocking.gif when most "tech-enthusiast" OC their pc and doing 24/7 BT with minimum stuff doh.gif

well, ur guide is well documented, but it lacks examples and pictures, some newbies may get confused.
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post May 21 2007, 06:46 AM

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QUOTE(e-jump @ May 20 2007, 11:28 PM)
because you dont want to set ur vcore too low for idle or you wont even boot into os, or hang the in os due due lack of juice (idle mode)
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Yup. Or set it too high on load!

However, if accidentally set too low in idle, or set to C&Q mode on reboot, can correct this by booting to dos and rename the RMCC folder so that it won't load during windows. Boot to windows and delete the registry/configuration files in RMCC folder.

Errr.... Anybody knows which one is the config files?

QUOTE(edwin3210 @ May 20 2007, 11:45 PM)
ya, that is why i was  shocking.gif  when most "tech-enthusiast" OC their pc and doing 24/7 BT with minimum stuff  doh.gif

well, ur guide is well documented, but it lacks examples and pictures, some newbies may get confused.
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Good idea, will post some pictures later.

However, as I have mentioned, it is preferably NOT for newbies as they may run into problems and don't know how to overcome it!!!
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post May 21 2007, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2007, 10:09 PM)
Advance overclocking – BIOS OC but windows running C&Q!

Facts about this guide
- Overclock 24/7 in BIOS (C&Q disabled) but able to run C&Q in windows!
- For advance overclockers, as this method can DAMAGE your rig if you don’t know what you’re doing!!!
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In fact the guides are wrong.CnQ can be enabled when we overclock CPU even in the BIOS

IMHO, advanced overclocking can be divided into at least 2 categories:
1. extreme overclocking which will reduce the lifespan significantly.
2. optimized overclocking which will has a balance of speed, lifespan and power.

If you are considering only option [2] in this guide, the most important thing is cpu Vcore. At best, tweaking and tuning MUST be done only at stock voltage, and BIOS overclocking is always the BEST approach.
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Haiyaa....disappointing....my first guide was closed then moved after appeal. Now my other guide got moved here...... How to discuss???

Guess any contributions are regarded as not useful..... sad.gif

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. It is known that C&Q can be enabled when overclocking your rig. Note the keyword : NOT ADVISABLE ("It is not advisable to run C&Q when overclocking")

When I had my AMD64 3500+, I had C&Q running from bios and had no problems whatsoever overclocking my rig.

However, when I upgraded to X2 4200+, I found that anything above 2530 Mhz would cause my rig to hang if C&Q is enabled.

And imaging your CPU suddenly going from load 2.9Ghz 1.5v to 1.0Ghz 1.1v or vice versa. Might put a huge strain on the CPU???


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QUOTE(c38y50y70 @ May 21 2007, 08:55 AM)
In fact the guides are wrong.CnQ can be enabled when we overclock CPU even in the BIOS

IMHO, advanced overclocking can be divided into at least 2 categories:
1. extreme overclocking which will reduce the lifespan significantly.
2. optimized overclocking which will has a balance of speed, lifespan and power.

If you are considering only option [2] in this guide, the most important thing is cpu Vcore. At best, tweaking and tuning MUST be done only at stock voltage, and BIOS overclocking is always the BEST approach.
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His point is, manual C&Q, where user control the raw power at will
using bios/auto C&Q may make ur proc speed/multi jump up and down controlled by OS
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Right, I've added some pictures in the guide. Any other suggestions?

Wished I had a dedicated thread for discussing this guide (and the other guides too!!!) sad.gif

If anybody have any tips, kindly advice. Thx.
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post May 22 2007, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 21 2007, 05:43 PM)
However, when I upgraded to X2 4200+, I found that anything above 2530 Mhz would cause my rig to hang if C&Q is enabled.
And imaging your CPU suddenly going from load 2.9Ghz 1.5v to 1.0Ghz 1.1v or vice versa. Might put a huge strain on the CPU???
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No, it won't strain the CPU at all, and it will not go to 1.0GHz. The lowest clock speed you can get is 5xHTT.
The reason why you get hang in C&Q beyond 2530MHz is because ur idle CPU clock speed cannot run at 1.1V.

QUOTE(e-jump @ May 21 2007, 07:52 PM)
His point is, manual C&Q, where user control the raw power at will
using bios/auto C&Q may make ur proc speed/multi jump up and down controlled by OS
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OS control is much better & efficient IMHO, as the FID and VID is changed very quickly and safely as compared to manual changes using 3rd party / mobo provided software.

This post has been edited by charge-n-go: May 22 2007, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(charge-n-go @ May 22 2007, 12:46 PM)
No, it won't strain the CPU at all, and it will not go to 1.0GHz. The lowest clock speed you can get is 5xHTT.
The reason why you get hang in C&Q beyond 2530MHz is because ur idle CPU clock speed cannot run at 1.1V.
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OIC, you mean to say that if I overclock my CPU at HTT 240 (2.64 Ghz), the idle speed is 240x5=1.2 Ghz, which would require more voltage, right? (Instead of 1.1v which is suppose to run at 1.0Ghz)

Hmmm..... hmm.gif good tip! Thx. thumbup.gif Will try it when I get back.



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can someone teach me about ram divider...
what is the relation between the divider with proc...

i still cant understand how does it goes when i want to overclock.
when i read guide, looks like every of it use a same "language" which i cant understand.. sad.gif
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How bout u make use of 4 slots? If using 3 u wont run double channel...
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dual channel and single really make big difference? Becos no money buy 2 more...
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Single channel will halved ur memory performance in bandwidth. Ive tried on gaming, superPi etc. Single Channel really effect performance.
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oh, aiyo.. then must buy 2x1gb oleidi... thanks for ur info then!
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guys plz help me on this

user posted image

i am trying to set command rate at 1T. which 1 of those actually command rate. or is it hidden or something?


Added on July 9, 2007, 10:54 pmfound it!

ctrl + f1 in the main bios

go to advanced chipset features

1t/2t dram timing <- here it is biggrin.gif

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post Jul 11 2007, 01:28 AM

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Hello, I'm pretty new to overclocking and already understand most aspects of it by reading the posts and google, but what have been confusing me are the FSB and MCH voltages.

Can someone please explain to me how will I know if I need to increase them?

For example, say I overclock an e6400 to 3.2 ghz (400 mhz) with 1.35 vcore, I run some tests (orthos, small ffts) and it fails.

I've run memtest on my memory with the timings I want overnight at 800 mhz and there were no errors.

Now what I know so far is that here is where I up my vcore and try again, until I get it stable without failing orthos.

So my question is :

1) When exactly do I need to up my FSB or MCH voltages? How will I know? Or is it just guess work?

2) Will upping my FSB or MCH allow me to run at a lower vcore ? Or it does not work that way?

3) If yes, FSB/MCH voltage vs. Vcore, which one is the better one to decrease/increase in terms of being safer, more stable, long term usage, etc. (i.e +0.1V on FSB is better than having to increase +0.05V on Vcore, something like that, if it works that way anyway)

Will really appreciate it if someone can answer these questions rclxub.gif

Thanks in advance
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QUOTE(ezir @ Jul 11 2007, 01:28 AM)
Hello, I'm pretty new to overclocking and already understand most aspects of it by reading the posts and google, but what have been confusing me are the FSB and MCH voltages.

Can someone please explain to me how will I know if I need to increase them?

For example, say I overclock an e6400 to 3.2 ghz (400 mhz) with 1.35 vcore, I run some tests (orthos, small ffts) and it fails.

I've run memtest on my memory with the timings I want overnight at 800 mhz and there were no errors.

Now what I know so far is that here is where I up my vcore and try again, until I get it stable without failing orthos.

So my question is :

1) When exactly do I need to up my FSB or MCH voltages? How will I know? Or is it just guess work?
It is a guess work... increasing MCH voltage is needed if overclocking on INTEL chipset board.... normally oc more than 3ghz MCH must be increase to gain stable pc else u will love to see BSOD.

2) Will upping my FSB or MCH allow me to run at a lower vcore ? Or it does not work that way?
No way.. CPU and Chipset Core is not working that way... want a fast car running more speed and want to save petrol? =x
unless the car itself can running faster with low vcore then it is fine.. consider lucky you

3) If yes, FSB/MCH voltage vs. Vcore, which one is the better one to decrease/increase in terms of being safer, more stable, long term usage, etc. (i.e +0.1V on FSB is better than having to increase +0.05V on Vcore, something like that, if it works that way anyway)
Wanna overclock make sure cpu heatsink is not original and better cooling...
good pure power supply is needed and if it is intel it is MORE needed a better power supply if wanna clock...
no body can know how my cpu need how much vcore to gain how much overclock i can...
at first clock cpu until u think it is fine with good prime 24 hours... stable...
when gaming or something else pc hang .... that might cause mch have not enough power.... so increasing it will helps to gain stable system... easy word ( if original 1.20 u need up 1.40 something)
so u need more reading on that topic...read more is the key ..
some ppl like to try give cpu more fsb 1st and increase vcore with it slowly...
some like direct give a power vcore shot and gain top cpu speed .... then drop down vcore slowly and prime it... stability test... ( that is me too ) so need make sure u have good cooling ...

That's what i know

Will really appreciate it if someone can answer these questions  rclxub.gif

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post Jul 13 2007, 10:32 AM

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may i ask something..in bios,some mob,when we try to increase the cpu vcore..it will show a max cpu vcore by highlight the word wif red color..can we still force abit the vcore?
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Simple, u need better cooling of course.

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