What is Selvedge (Salvage) denim?

Selvedge denim is a particular type of denim which is produced on vintage shuttle looms which boasts a firm natural edge that does not unravel. The word "selvedge" comes from the phrase "self-edge", the natural edge of a roll of fabric. As applied to denim, it means that which is made on old-style shuttle looms (source: Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denim).

Shuttle looms are antique tools that were outdated by newer technologies in the 1950′s. Jeans today are mostly made on projectile looms which are more cost efficient for manufacturers. But during the mid to late 50's, as a response to increased demand for jeans in the west, American denim manufacturers replaced the old shuttle style looms with modern projectile looms. The new looms produced fabric faster and wider and were a more commercial approach to producing jeans in large quantities.

However, the trade-off was a lower quality and strength of material which was passed on to the end consumer, as well as a less personalized clothing item. As the major players like Levi’s and Lee upgraded their looms in the 1960's, these old-style looms eventually ended up in Japan, where the best selvedge denim is still made today.

For better clarification regarding the differences between the old school shuttle looms and the more commercial projectile looms,



The selvedge edge is usually stitched with colored thread: green, white, brown, yellow, and red (red is the most common). Fabric mills used these colors to differentiate between fabrics.


A silver threaded selvedge, probably from a pair of black Dior Homme 19cms


Beautiful teal and yellow threaded selvedge


Multi-colored selvedge


Red selvegde in Japanese 14oz Denim Uniqlo Selvedge Jeans.
This is the most common type of selvedge you will get to see nowadays. This also represents Levis' trademark selvedge jeans back in the days where the color of the thread (Levis used red) was closely associated with certain brands. The above colored selvedges are extremely rare and almost cannot be obtained in this part of the world.

Selvedge denim is one of the finest denims that can be used in jeans production today and the price indeed reflects that. The weaving process takes longer to complete but achieves a tightly woven, heavier weight fabric that is built to last. In fact, one of the ways to distinguish vintage jeans of the past is by looking for this trademark characteristic (source: http://www.popculturepost.com/2007/05/22/w...elvedge-denim/).

What is Raw denim?

Raw or Dry denim refers to denim which has not been washed after the dying process during production. The indigo which is dyed onto the jeans is presented in a virgin state, hence dry or raw. The process of wear and tear over time when denim is worn, such as stretching at the knee and upper thighs (whiskers), the frequent friction at the bottom of both the denim (near the ankles) due to walking, the creases behind the knees (honeycombs), and any other areas which receive the most stress such as a wallet in a very tight back pocket, will encourage the indigo to fade faster than other general areas of the jeans. This creates very personalized fades, depending on what you keep in your pockets, how you wear your jeans and the activities you do with your jeans on.

After about a year of wearing, without any washes, the first wash will produce something extremely personal to the user. The pair of raw denim, over the months and years of wear, has faded into something beautiful. Your pair of jeans has now become like a close friend. A second skin over your lower body.


My Imperial Dukes in a raw state (source: www.SelfEdge.com)


Dior Homme honeycombs


Heavy cell-phone fadings and some good whiskers (source: MyNudies.com)


The ultimate end look we all strive for.

Now lets have an insight on Japanese denim and why it is revered in the world of indigo.

The Japanese denim industry is revered the world over for its innovativeness and its capability to set trends in the denim industry.
It would be nice to have a look at some facts and figures relating to the Japanese Denim Industry.
Denim Exports : 2006 about 56 million sq mtrs.
2007(till march) about 15 million sq mtrs.
Jeans :80 million pairs (approx) produced in Japan p.a
:20 million pairs(approx) imported p.a
Export markets : China,Hongkong, US, Vietnam and Italy.

Main Denim producing areas in Japan : The Hiroshima perfecture, The Okayama perfecture and the Mihara Area.

DENIM MILLS

KAIHARA DENIM
Produces about 36 million sq mtrs of denim p.a
Exports about 60% of production.
Offer about 600-900 items to buyers every year
Investment since 1970 – about USD 500 million.
More than 300 looms at six mills.
Strengths : Superior cotton mix and unique Dyeing process.
Kaihara has no plans to go overseas for production as they are quite comfortable in Japan…This shows their belief in their own capability to be highly innovative

KURABO INDUSTRIES
Currently focusing very much on Stretch fibres and are looking at
advanced versions of stretch denim by using XLA stretch yarn,Xfit
lycra and T400. This is to take advantage of the Skinny Jeans
fashion that is currently still strong.
Developments 2006-08 : Emphasizing on the Ocean BLue colors under the Ultra Marine
Blue Brand name.
:’Wave’ – A line developed from a specially designed slub yarn .
:’Air Spinner’ – third line that features very soft denim.

NISSHINBO INDUSTRIES
Capacity : About 12 million sq mtrs p.a
Developments : As per the marketing manager of Nisshinbo – ‘Masanharu Tanaka’
the NEW TREND would be a return towards NATURAL LOOKS. This
would mean that innovative looks using Indigo and other yarn
dyeing material.
:Liquid Ammonia Treatment: Nisshinbo is also know for the
development of the liquid ammonia treatment of Denim Fabric. The
denim fabric is dipped in liquid ammonia (about -40 degrees C)
which enables it to regain its original shape , thus giving back
natural softness to the fibre. One of its five ammonia treatment
plant is used for treating Denims.

Other developments in the Japanese denim Industry :
The DUCK TEXTILE CO. has introduced a JERSEY DENIM - a denim made of knit fabric. This fabric looks like woven fabric but has the qualities of the knit fabric.
Another development doing the rounds in the Japanese Denim Industry is the effort to keep the core of the cotton yarn undyed .. Though this normally happens in the Rope Dyeing method, but the effort is to have much more undyed portion through HAND DYEING which will give very good after washing effects…

source: http://denimiscool.wordpress.com/category/japanese-denim/

More content coming up

-Known brands and what each is famous for [Tripleworks - http://blueowlworkshop.blogspot.com/search.../Triple%20Works]
-Lesser known brands.
-Washing discussion.
-Sizing discussion.
-Selected pictures to form our LYN member's fades and fit pics archive.

Link to previous thread, v3 - http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/874917

Denim Wall of Fades 2010 Contest, Jakarta, Indonesia - Click here for sexcitement

This post has been edited by Grimm: Jun 20 2011, 12:26 PM

how much does a selvegde normally cost?

Uniqlo selvedge jeans can start at MYR 250.
Dior Homme silver selvedge (which are no longer produced) can go up to MYR 1,800.

It really depends on what you're looking for. Asking how much do they cost is really silly. What matters to us, is the qualities of different makes of denim.

Uniqlo raw seldge is RM169.

Do any of you still think selvedge denim is produced on vintage shuttle looms? The whole world is wearing selvedge now, you almost cannot sell regular jeans anymore and do you really think there is that many vintage shuttle looms to go about? Not to mention the low rate of production would mean nobody could produce enough of it, and these machines would need replacement parts like nothing else because of their age and 3 shifts/day production.

P.S. Don't argue with me about machines.

Yup. It still is. Thats why its a bit more expensive than regular projectile denim. Vintage shuttle looms is one thing but i guess if u can make the shuttle looms on the 30s, why not in the 2011? U can create machines which resemble old style shuttle looms with todays technology no doubt. Correct me if im wrong here then.

Anyways


That is what selvedge is all about. For me that is

This post has been edited by g3n0c|d3: Feb 27 2011, 02:12 PM

But certain makers still do stick to their heritage. I know the more common massed produced ones like Nudies and Uniqlo might not, but when you look at Iron Heart, Sugar Cane, Pure Blue Japan, Studio D'Artisan, Full Count, Samurai, The Flat Head, Momotaro, Triple Works, and various other japanese brands that we are not exposed to.

I really wonder though, how all the shuttle looms ended up in Japan. They bought all of them up from the Americans or what...

they seriously do them in small quantities. Even if you have the dough to order them online, chances are, the stock count would only be 0 or 1 or 2. I have never seen any of them having more than 2 pieces of inventory for their online store. I am rather sure they still do use the vintage looms.

http://blueowlworkshop.blogspot.com/2011/0...to-produce.html

A video as well.

http://blueowlworkshop.blogspot.com/2011/0...edge-denim.html

Moar on selvedge denim

http://www.contextclothing.com/support/selvage_denim.php

Traditionally the denim made on the Shuttle Looms was so narrow that about 3 yards were required to make a jeans. To maximize fabric consumption, the jeans makers used the Selvedge also which can be seen when the Jeans is turned up.The color of the thread in the Selvedge was used to differentiate between fabrics. True vintage jeans can be recognised by the Selvedge thread.

Traditionally, American denim was considered superior. However, the Americans replaced all their Shuttle Looms by faster looms (projectile looms). Many of these looms were bought by Japanese who felt that there was a market for traditional denim. And when the Premium Denim craze began after 2000, many jeans manufacturers introduced jeans made from Shuttle looms and Quality Dyeing.

Quality Dyeing

Quality Dyeing is Indigo Dyeing done using Loop Dyeing machines – which are themselves rare and vintage machines. The rope of cotton yarn goes through a vat of Indigo and then is taken to the ROOF of the factory where it is allowed to oxidize and then brought back to dip. Some companies do as many as 30 DIPS creating a rich blue Indigo character.
Another traditional thing that goes in the process of creating a Traditional Premium Denim is the chain stitch at the leg opening – which gives a thick stitch line at the hem.

Denim produced on shuttle looms is naturally irregular . Accompanied with the additional details in dyeing and stitching, it produces a unique product and as the Jeans age, they produce a unique pattern. Like Fine Wood, Selvage denim will become more beautiful with age and acquire a patina which is impossible to create artificially.
Many of the japanese denim brands are using selvedge denim. The most famous of them WAS Evisu. Their HERITAGE Collection is made entirely of selvedge denim only , produced on 30" looms and dyed by LOOP Dyeing method. With a minimum of 16 dips, they go up to 30 dips . For chainstitching, they use the ‘Union Special Machines’ which are considered to be the ‘ROLLS ROYCE’ of stitching machines in 1950s.

source: http://denimiscool.wordpress.com/category/japanese-denim/

This post has been edited by Grimm: Mar 2 2011, 04:28 PM

Any idea what these 'vintage looms' look like? I saw pictures from when some of the sufu members visited Haraki-san. Them machines look mighty modern to me.

new thread!! hehehe

what do you guys called this?
Raw denim selvedge jeans?

looks raw to me and has that selvedge edge.

We call those 'Evisu'.

fashion = you pay for the brand.

The TOYODA shuttle loom

nice, putting this thread up, idiot like me can learn something here.

EvisU is the brand.
so those torn jeans. Is called washed denim?

I found out Raw Evisu is really hard to break in. 2-3years breakin Evisu equal to half year for brand like nudie, apc.

*This based on International Evisu, still can't get my hand on Made in Japan Evisu, really adore Lot 2000 No.1 Special.

Btw, this thread for raw selvage community, or, raw or selvage or both community?

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Added on March 1, 2011, 4:54 amI'm saving for Nudie Dry Selvage Grim Tim and Evisu Japan No.1 Lot 2000 without paint at back pocket.

This post has been edited by pengejar: Mar 1 2011, 04:54 AM

Raw and Selvages. But occasionally, talks regarding denim in general just comes in so there's no restriction to it.

most of raw jeans are selvages?

Used to, but not really. Some new western companies produce raw jeans but not selvage.
Same goes to selvage, not all selvage jeans are raw.
Example Evisu, they got raw selvage and washed selvage. And also Nudie, they got dry(raw) selvage, selvage lab(washed/pre-breakin), and also normal jeans.

Raws and selvedges are two different things. Check out the explanations on the first post. Although most selvedges were raws, non-selvedge raw jeans are becoming more and more popular.

Examples:

Nudies, Cheap Mondays, Acne, Dr Denim. They prodcue a LOT of batches that are raw (unwashed) but are not selvedge denim and don't have the selvedge strip either.

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Added on March 1, 2011, 8:47 pmYes, they are washed. Purposely broken, beaten, torn and stone washed to death.

This post has been edited by Grimm: Mar 1 2011, 08:47 PM

greetings from San Francisco.. i'm in deep sh_t.. so many choices here..and I'm right next to Levi's Union Square..they have every incarnation of the 501 selvedge you can imagine.. with white selvedge..to the reds.. visible rivets on back pocket, no diamond on back pocket, to the ones with zip fly.. and so on.. 501 vintage series made in USA from every significant year..

also.. i bump into the canada x japan, aka Naked & Famous x Momotaro..haven't seen any Dior Homme 19cm yet.. but I am getting weak.. especially with the Levi's when the sales advisor is so knowledgable and experience..and so many vintage choice available.. USD$250... hemming done on site if necessary..

You talking like some girl just grabbed your nuts. Get a grip mate. Lol. Ask the sales guy to shut up and just get you like 10 pairs and try them on and look at the best fit.

Dior won't be so easily available. They only have a few dior boutiques. Like there's one in Beverly hills i think. And one more somewhere else. That's it.

i would prefer a salesperson who knows his stuff rather than some that doesn't even know what they are selling .. (i.e most salesperson in Levi's store here in M'sia are clueless)

yeah i kinda have my nuts held hostage. i see everything and go like "woah cheap, BBB"
thinking if i should visit self edge or not.

on an irrelevant denim front, scored a pair of zara jeans for 10 bucks

guys, need some help...

between Average Joe Dry Red Selvage and Grim Timm Dry Red Selvage, which cutting is close to Edwin Sen Skinny Sen Cinch SK505 (although name is skinny but not that skinny more like levis 505 cutting).

is Average Joe Dry Red Selvage more like Levis 501 cutting?

thanks in advance...eyeing to get my 2nd Nudie...

This post has been edited by soulquarianz: Mar 3 2011, 10:28 AM

Yes. It is similar, as it is a straight cut. Grim tim is tapered below the knees.

Grim tim is a bit bigger on thighs. People who have bigger thighs would be perfect for the fit

I wanna buy a raw selvedge denim and i got a few questions :

1. Will the jeans expand/become tighter after wear it few time ?
2. When can the jeans be washed ?
3. What happen if i fold the jeans ?Will it leave a line/honeycomb or anything u call it ?
4. What is the best fit for a very skinny person ?I dont really like the stretch skinny fit from topman because its length is too short for me.
5. What is the name of fit which tight in the thigh area and not that skinny below thigh ?

And is there any Nudie/any famous selvedge jeans brand store in malaysia ?

ok so meaning Grim Tim cutting is close/similiar to Edwin Sen Skinny 505?

coz i already have BBDRS...and i think its more or less similiar to AJDRS??

need a jeans coz got workss in Jakarta middle this month so make it a good time to break 1 pair heheh...there will be lotsa walking, squating, etc while setting up some equipment....

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Added on March 3, 2011, 4:18 pmdang...grim tim w33/34 is not available in cultizm...grrrrrrr only W34/34 but this is grim tim based on info stretch 1.5 inchs..thats why i size down by 1 but sadly no stock...guess gotta wait untill they restock....

This post has been edited by soulquarianz: Mar 3 2011, 04:18 PM

Size down to 2 then. Get a 32/34. My waist is around 33w and after a couple of months, it stretched, not by a huge margin
But to the extend i need to wear a belt just to make sure its on the rught position.
But uf u have doubts, i suggest u wait, even thou i think finding 33w/34 would be hard nowdays

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Added on March 3, 2011, 5:06 pm1. If its a selvedge, usually it will stretch a bit or a lot. Sizing down is recommended if u ask me.
2. Depends on u and how u wear it. Ive seen some ppl at sufu soak the jeans after 3 months. But only soaking. Like nudies they recommended 6 months of wearing before u washed it.
3. After washing i think its ok for u to fold it. But i dont see any problem folding it last time i went back to my home town ( i didnt wash or soak the jeeans till now)
4. Thats another thing that u have to fugure out urself. Its a personal choice. Go for the one u most comfortable with
5. Sorry cant help u. I could only think one cutting like that. Bootcuts
Nudies u have to get it online but in the other hand, naked and famous u can get it at MUSA at avenue k, klcc

This post has been edited by g3n0c|d3: Mar 3 2011, 05:06 PM

1. Unsanforized raws will expand after about 40 hours of wear or so.
2. You can wash them any time. The recommended is usually after a minimum of 6 months, some people take it to 2 years plus. But some guys get fabulous fades even with monthly washing, so it doesn't really matter. What matters is you wear it rough and hard. Don't baby your jeans (I always do for the first month then get on with rocking it though )
3. Well, don't fold it after wears. Best to leave it where it drops on the floor so that the creases stay there - and you don't wanna have that weird fold-crease when the indigo runs.
4. Skinny jeans would suit you well, provided you know how to carry it. Like wear something buttoned, not some baggy tee. Wear beautiful shoes. Or just upload how you look and we'll criticize it for u.
5. Boot-cut? With bell-bottoms? Are you serious...

Uniqlo is good, but the only other one I know is Evisu in jusco I think...
You gotta ask the rest.

actually, i have seen people wear boot-cut very well.. mostly angmoh la that is..lol

I already check the bootcut type of jeans and it really not what i want .Is there any way to wear a skinny jeans without looking like a rempit ?I always wear my jeans with uniqlo tees and polo t's and a boat shoe .If i want to buy uniqlo jeans,should i size down or something ?And what i mean in folding is like Grimm's avatar jeans .I cant do that ?

instead of folding the jeans, dont you have a place where you can hang it or lay the jeans down?

not to say look like rempit if wear skinny.. what makes you think that.. just wear what suits you or most comfortable with la.. care people think for what..
if you buy uniqlo's raw jeans, then maybe size 1 down. if not, just stay true to size la.

What if i hang the jeans by using a hanger ?Will it affect anything to the jeans ?

intensely stupid questions

Where are the new pickups? nobody?

Bro .... but how not to fold the jeans if i am a regular traveller.
Any recommendation if i travel outstation almost every week ?

since cultizm dont have my size for GTDRS W33/34 now thinking of getting AJDRS with sizing 1 down W33/34....will these stretch like GT aswell? any AJDRS onwer here?

i wonder whats the actual waist size for this, coz from info its TTS but advise to size down by 1? or should i go for GTDRS W34/34 wear it loose perhaps with belts?

hmm....should i pull the trigger?

This post has been edited by soulquarianz: Mar 4 2011, 12:21 AM

Copied this image from kotmj at What are you wearing today thread .May i know what kind of fit is this ?Or i just buy a regular fit and let them alter to become this for me ?

Dude, if you go to a store .. all jeans are folded and stack on the rack.
It really won't harm your jeans. Once u reach your destination, just hang them on the hanger.

This post has been edited by 71ers: Mar 4 2011, 08:42 AM

Jeans are meant to be worn, if you baby them too much,the fading will happen but will be freaking slow. so yea go out and wear them.

I even sweep and shit in my nudies and apcs. although not as hectic as cycling and what not.

The ones at the store are folded of course. If not, they'll crease everywhere. Those have not been worn and are in a virgin-like state. Besides, its a practical method of display.

Imperials are in full swing now. Nudies won't be brought out until I've had 10 months with these Dukes. Expect awesome in December!

dear rangerrrrrr, that I suspect is either straight/slim fit....but how a pair of jeans fit someone is really individual, it doesnt mean that if u buy a pair of straights u would look exactly the same as him. ur leg might be thinner or bigger than his? maybe a slim fit will become more like a skinny fit to you? think about it...anyway...my weekly dr denim progress...ady hit 6 months with about 4/5 months plus effective wear

more pics on my blog...=) link in my signature..

This post has been edited by chuakz: Mar 4 2011, 11:32 PM

Is that weekly progression yeh? That's good progress you got there. Keep it up mate

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Added on March 5, 2011, 9:03 pmAnd thanks for sharing.

This post has been edited by Grimm: Mar 5 2011, 09:03 PM

Hmm i know someone selling a 2nd hand Grim tim size 29", he claims his only wore it once my normal waste size on straight 501's is 30...

Should i get them?

and how do i tell if its original?

Post pics and we'll help you out. Its the safest way to ID them - coz we own them.

I wonder if anyone's had experience with any Kicking Mule Workshop (KMW) jeans?



source: denimdebate.com

It's an American denim made with Jap selvedge denim. 100% Zimbabwean cotton, white selvedge, reinforced belt hoops, simple denim leather patch and surprisingly... left-hand twill.

what about the sizing? its only 1 size down but its slim so i think i should beable make them fit

I also have a pair raw for sale! Do check out my sales thread!
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1772681&hl=

ffs, this aint a sale thread.

LOL, just thought I could annoy some people!
Okay, gonna post fit pics.

Still waiting for ur fit pics

hi all.. need some help here.. can't decide which one should i buy.. any suggestions? here is the link..

http://www.selfedge.com/shop/index.php?mai...products_id=184

http://www.asos.com/Nudie/Nudie-Average-Jo...y+Dirty+Organic

http://www.asos.com/Nudie/Nudie-Average-Jo...DarkOrganicUsed

which one of these are selvedge? sorry newbie here.

Ask yourself, you want raw or pre-washed denim.

If want raw and money not an issue, go for Imperial.

i already ask myself.. huhuhu.. still can't decide. and money is not an issue. but nudie also looks nice. and imperial does look better either way. huhuh..

Since money not an issue for you, get both!

Are jeans like Nudies and Sugarcane and Imperials breathable like the Uniqlo Made in China raw selvedges?

I used to wear a Levi's 501 and that jeans was heavy and not breathable. The Uniqlo is light, it almost weighs nothing, is somewhat stretchable, and very breathable so I do not feel hot in them.

i dont think nudie is breathable.... i got grim tim dry red selvedge which is around 13.25oz and trust me, ur balls gonna be sweating alot if ure not in a blasting cold office lol...

hi guys. need some help here. if with evisu and levis size 36 how much do i need to size down for Nudie Jeans Average Joe Dry Red Selvage? or should i take the same size. thanks!

Here are some of the fit pictures I have promised, Sorry for being really busy but here it goes

Dior Homme Brut 19cm
1 year 2 months 2 washes.

In the hotel


Front View


Back View


In the Dior boutique trying on some Dior sneakers


Front View


Side View



Evisu No.2 Black Custom Paintings
4 months, 0 washes yet.


Front View


Back View

my nudie thin finn dry organic ecru is light and breathable. stretchable too.

Yes it is breathable. I suspect its because they are the organic range. It feels soft and comfortable too.

But the Imperials are really rough and rigid. The pockets are still stupidly tight, but much better than when I first wore it. Had problems getting wallet out for bus ticket >_> that was annoying as hell.

i'm wearing 36 for evisu n levis, should i size down for a.p.c rescue denim? btw which one is better Nudie Jeans Average Joe Dry Red Selvage or a.p.c rescue denim? both of them selvedge rite?

This post has been edited by almari2010: Mar 8 2011, 11:36 PM

and because nudie is 11.5oz i guess. if my memory don't fail me. canes and imperials are way more rigid.

no luv for 7 for All Mankind Jeans?

Overpriced bro. I had a browse through the KLCC store when I was back in Msia. They don't have any raws. And even for the washed jeans, the wash is ugly lah. I think my old Giordano jeans also look better.

hi i just recently bought a pair of evisu lot 2010, no3.

it fits me rather well without the wash, do i need to soak it or anything before i begin wearing it?

does the washing cause the jeans to shrink? or does dumping it in a dryer?

Do advice me as to what i ought to do as i can't allow it to shrink too much else i wouldn't be able to fit into it!

i wish G-Star Raw will someday open their branch in Malaysia, their raw denim is pretty much what i looking for
bought 4 pair of jeans back in Aussie and still wearing them now, but i guess it's impossible to get nice denim here even if they open their branch because 1 jeans cost around $250-$400 AUD.

This post has been edited by bc_low: Mar 10 2011, 11:26 AM

no you dont need to soak it because it is already sanfornized

washing will cause it to shrink minimally because it is sanfornized too.. nvr throw ur jeans in the dryer

Shouldn't one of you overfed fan cheongs go buy this?

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=230251

^ If it's 29 or 30, consider it mine already.

It will stretch! Raws can never be tight enough who cares about having children later.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Mar 10 2011, 06:11 PM

kot, mind helping me look out for a DH black or indigo raw 19mm 29 on sf? pretty please?

This post has been edited by Balaclava: Mar 10 2011, 06:28 PM

Lol that's my size. And my, my, what a price. Regular price is $460 on LVR.

Thanks mate! I thought you were gonna show me some overpriced crap

This will cost me 4 days of wages but what the hell *drool*

grimm, what size is your raw nudie thin finn?

The one I have is a 30/32. My ideal size would be 29/32 or if I wanted a skinny fit, 28/32.

The 30/32 fits just right, I don't feel any stretch. It comes to a point where it even feels a little loose. But I got it cheap from a forummer here, so I ain't complaining

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Added on March 10, 2011, 8:41 pmBut the Dior is vanity sized, so I have to subtract one/two inches. Plus, it will expand almost as much as APC (so downsize 2 is perfect for me).

This post has been edited by Grimm: Mar 10 2011, 08:41 PM

but 19cm is slim fit, which i think will fit like a slim jim.

for skinny fit, 17cm should be the one, no?

what is the price range of naked and famous jeans?opposite klcc?

kotmj never goes near anything that is overpriced

Rm600 and above but got 30% discount for all naked and famous jeans.

I think this is the classic jeans fit.

^wtf, the fit of that jacket is unreal..

alright thanks! haha you've made my day!

where do you get the information as to what kind of jeans have been Sanforized or not?

I think its safe to assume that if it isn't raw, it's been sanforized (please correct me if i am wrong).

Haha I have a few evisus basically

No.1 unsanfornized.
No.2 Sanfornized with same material
No.3 Sanfornized
No.4 Sanfornized

heres the where i got the info from

http://evisu-guides.blogspot.com/2010/01/e...ication-of.html

This post has been edited by Calvin Seak: Mar 11 2011, 02:16 AM

how much is N&F abroad ? if it is abt US$150 .. then rm600 with 30% discount should be the correct price

I'm not really looking for a skinny fit. I think slim looks just fine on me. I can carry the skinny jeans look, but I already have one dirty ol' Levis for that purpose that was before I stumbled upon raws n selvedges.

Anyway there aren't any raws in the 17.5 fit I think. I will do my own tapering if I wanted a 17.5

Yeah, ive calculated and its more or less a decent price and they got loads of stocks. So i wont worry too much about size

Who bought the Dior 27" 19cm? It is sold.

I PMed immediately after you posted. He told me it was sold within 1 minute. It was a once in a lifetime find kinda like your shoes u got on ebay.

If you ever see a sz 27 or 28, do let us know

I don't lurk there as often

Hi guys,
can anyone tell me whether this is a selvedge jeans or not.

unfortunately it isnt

Plenty of pictures on first thread to guide you

I went to Musa and looked at the Naked and Famous as well as Cheap Mondays.

Maybe I am a denim phillistine or just plain stupid, but in what way are the N&Fs superior to the lowly Uniqlos? I was expecting something more, but they do not appear to me perceptibly better than the jeans I was wearing.

I will readily admit that some of the Evisu's I've handled are truly incredible -- there is just no arguing that they are quality first, cost second. But Musa I left rather unimpressed.

Can someone tell me why they think Uniqlo MiC selvedges are low-end?

BTW I like how generic and unbranded my jeans look:

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Added on March 13, 2011, 12:34 amI think the fits evidenced here are good for sperm count and nothing else. Baggy and shapeless.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Mar 13 2011, 12:41 AM