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post Jan 16 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone9 @ Jan 16 2018, 10:24 AM)
hammer drill yes.

impact drill, probably not.
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post Jan 16 2018, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 16 2018, 10:26 AM)
normally how thick is the plaster cement for tiles. because i cut enough dept to conceal some wiring with conduit. i worry it's not deep enough for the tile cement to be thick enough to stick even though it's just a 3cm line across some tiles. the depth is enough to conceal to the original plaster cement level but you say tile cement needs certain thickness. or if just 1 line across that area can use less tiles cement?
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Did I mentioned certain thickness? I don't think so. If you want to just put tile with no cement, it will be just fine. You can even use epoxy. For my bathroom, I wanted to have different level height at sink area to separate from shower area. So, with just shower curtain I can prevent the water from shower area to flow to the sink area..

The height difference is just the tile thickness. So, told the contractor to use adhesive meant for that. It is not 10 years and no peeling at all. The adhesive thickness is just probably 1mm.

When cutting a line to separate the area to be removed and not to be removed, it is not necessarily to be too deep. You do not want to cut electrical wire or its trunking. The groove will create a weak breaking line on surface. So, the protected area will got get affected.
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post Jan 16 2018, 01:28 PM

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dear all,

anyone has any recommended tiling specialist in klang/setia alam to repair broken tiles please? Your advice is greatly appreciated. thumbsup.gif
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post Jan 16 2018, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jul 11 2017, 01:09 PM)
Help
Looking for an expert to install 2x2 tiles
Prefer near kepong area
2 previous installer failed. After 1-2yrs tiles go up n down.
They also install 1x1 n 1x2 but no isu, only 2x2 failed.

Izit true that 2x2 is heavy ?
Rekomen to stick with it or replace all with 1x1 ?
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my fathr who having 50 years experience as tiles worker
he advice me not to use 2 ft x 2 ft tiles
exactly as the problem u facing
it may not last long
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post Jan 16 2018, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(AgnesB @ Jan 16 2018, 05:57 PM)
my fathr who having 50 years experience as tiles worker
he advice me not to use 2 ft x 2 ft tiles
exactly as the problem u facing
it may not last long
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can you advice wall tiles use tile cement or special adhesive better?
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post Jan 16 2018, 08:33 PM

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post Jan 16 2018, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 16 2018, 08:18 PM)
can you advice wall tiles use tile cement or special adhesive better?
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must be ordinary cement ,not the glue cement
choose the wall type tiles
dun use the grass type mosaic very fragile (1 inch x 1 inch design, as i seen in midvalley secret recipe wash room waiting area -(outside toilet )(brown) ,the corner was protected by steel bar)
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post Jan 16 2018, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(AgnesB @ Jan 16 2018, 08:45 PM)
must be ordinary cement ,not the glue cement
choose the wall type tiles
dun use the grass type mosaic very fragile  (1 inch x 1 inch design, as i seen in midvalley secret recipe wash room waiting area -(outside toilet )(brown) ,the corner was protected by steel bar)
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is there difference between normal cement & tiles cement?
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post Jan 16 2018, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 16 2018, 09:15 PM)
is there difference between normal cement & tiles cement?
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The adhesive type is more recent than old fashioned cement type. The advantage of adhesive type is fast to work with. You can grout the tile without need to wait for tile to to evaporate like the cement base. The disadvantage is it is more expensive.

Using normal sand-based cement, you need to soak tile in water to help it to bond properly. If the cement is let to dry fast (not soaking tile) it will not bond properly. This is why tile can fell off. After laying the tile, need to wait for the water in cement to evaporate like 24 hours. The cement type have to be thick enough to have better hold. It also has limitation. It will not hold non-porous tile type like granite or big size tile.

This is why I would recommend the cement meant for tiling.


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post Jan 16 2018, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 16 2018, 10:44 PM)
The adhesive type is more recent than old fashioned cement type. The advantage of adhesive type is fast to work with. You can grout the tile without need to wait for tile to to evaporate like the cement base. The disadvantage is it is more expensive.

Using normal sand-based cement, you need to soak tile in water to help it to bond properly. If the cement is let to dry fast (not soaking tile) it will not bond properly. This is why tile can fell off. After laying the tile, need to wait for the water in cement to evaporate like 24 hours. The cement type have to be thick enough to have better hold. It also has limitation. It will not hold non-porous tile type like granite or big size tile.

This is why I would recommend the cement meant for tiling.
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so i buy the tiles cement right? roughly how much per 25kg?
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post Jan 17 2018, 06:45 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 16 2018, 11:00 PM)
so i buy the tiles cement right? roughly how much per 25kg?
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There are many brand but shouldn'e be that expensive. Sample here:

https://www.intraco.com.my/index.php?route=...product_id=1170

Never bought one my self. For flooring I just use normal sand based cement blush.gif
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post Jan 18 2018, 10:38 PM

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Normally, for renovation, contractors will use what brand of tiles ? Floor tiles and wall tiles are different cos floor tiles need to stand weight ? So floor tiles are more expensive, but are they also thicker ?
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QUOTE(topearn @ Jan 18 2018, 10:38 PM)
Normally, for renovation, contractors will use what brand of tiles ? Floor tiles and wall tiles are different cos floor tiles need to stand weight ? So floor tiles are more expensive, but are they also thicker ?
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Any brand would have tiles for both wall and floor. Brand? House developers will use whatever brand that they have special contract price or use any cheaper one within their standard spec.

If you are renovating your house after getting your key, any extension on existing tile would be the same brand o be seamless. Will be different if you use different brand. On isolated location, you can specify whatever brand you like. Normally people would just go and look for the pattern they like first among famous equivalent quality brands.

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post Jan 18 2018, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(whitejack @ Jan 14 2018, 09:39 PM)
guys, just want to check what surface of wall tiles are suitable for bathroom.

Gloss? Matte? Rough surface?

If rough surface wall tiles, is it difficult to clean it?
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How about concrete table top?

There are so many surfaces...matte? satin? polished?

This post has been edited by whitejack: Jan 18 2018, 11:41 PM
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post Jan 19 2018, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(whitejack @ Jan 18 2018, 11:41 PM)
How about concrete table top?

There are so many surfaces...matte? satin? polished?
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Concrete table top you want it to be glossy and shiny and easy to wipe off.

The only thing I did not like using tiles is that the grouting between the tile. It is easy to get dirty. Maybe use black tiles and black grouting. The dirtier it gets, the newer it looks laugh.gif

Choose as big tile as possible to reduce grouting lines.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 19 2018, 08:26 AM)
Concrete table top you want it to be glossy and shiny and easy to wipe off.

The only thing I did not like using tiles is that the grouting between the tile. It is easy to get dirty. Maybe use black tiles and black grouting. The dirtier it gets, the newer it looks  laugh.gif

Choose as big tile as possible to reduce grouting lines.
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Good point, dark colour. Thanks for advice.
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post Jan 22 2018, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 15 2018, 09:40 AM)
Fine polish like for stainless steel or even car polish will be just fine. Just get any polish compound for mirror finish surface. Then it will be just hard work to rub until shine. If you have orbital polishing tool, then it is really easy  biggrin.gif
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How much roughly it will cost if I hire people to help polish my tiles? around 900~1000sqf

What is best value hardware for orbital polishing tool?
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post Jan 22 2018, 04:47 PM

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Is it easy to stick tiles on my bathroom walls ? The existing tiles is only up to 5 feet and I want to add another layer of tiles to it.
I will need to rough out the tile areas by chiseling out existing cement and then cover the whole tile back with cement and just stick on the wall ? How to ensure the tile will not fall out while drying ?
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QUOTE(cyclone9 @ Jan 22 2018, 04:28 PM)
How much roughly it will cost if I hire people to help polish my tiles? around 900~1000sqf

What is best value hardware for orbital polishing tool?
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I have no idea. My tiles all covered by laminated floor. Do you need to polish all area? Maybe just along the scratches. Try a spot if you can polish them out manually. Simple method:

https://www.hunker.com/12193014/how-to-remo...mic-tile-floors

If you can, then buy handheld polishing machine like for car. China made probably around RM150. Named brand like Black and Decker around RM200. Note that these are not industrial grade. We are not in polishing business anyway laugh.gif

https://www.lazada.com.my/shop-surface-polishers/
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 22 2018, 06:04 PM)
I have no idea. My tiles all covered by laminated floor. Do you need to polish all area? Maybe just along the scratches. Try a spot if you can polish them out manually. Simple method:

https://www.hunker.com/12193014/how-to-remo...mic-tile-floors

If you can, then buy handheld polishing machine like for car. China made probably around RM150. Named brand like Black and Decker around RM200. Note that these are not industrial grade. We are not in polishing business anyway  laugh.gif

https://www.lazada.com.my/shop-surface-polishers/
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prefer polish all areas

do I need any special chemical or liquid ?

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