I tried few units of 10-24, nothing impress me ! Called me pixel peep or anything but the distortion, the details, none impress me. Even third party tokina 11-16 works well. Sigma 10-20 ? Really sorry. I'd say suckiest UWA available.
Bad distortion, bad color rendition, no details and the list goes on and on !

I don't trust review. in fact, i trust my eyes and the way the photo out from the camera.

Some high density sensor bring more noise ! 18MP is not better than 12MP camera ! MP is bullshit !

Basically, I don't have to proof to you. Few of the forumer here should know after the realize what I mean good and sharp is. I'm very particular in all this. And trying out the lens outside, why bother to keep the photos ? I don't do review for a living. And I share all this base on my experience. Be it hearsay or anything, you can have your own views about that. I still share what I know.

I take 73 as the year you born, if so, I understand how come you keep on defending all that with Googles

This post has been edited by KTCY: Mar 1 2011, 02:50 PM

This is correct. The 18200 VRII looks acceptable on D90, but horrible on D7000 due to higher MP.

But you look at Canon higher MP camera. The noise

Btw, my 24mm now at Nikon place. Hopefully a new replacement

Actually the 7D noise performance is quite good leh, usable ISO3200 to me ... higher MP is useless if u dun print big, always view in front computer talk bout sharpness also useless cos won't see it unless u print big as well

change DPI to 300 in photoshop then can talk boh?

What's the point viewing on the screen and scream about noise, sharpness and so when u don't even print BIG?

as a canon user, i think 12-15 is very enough , or we call overkill already.
18mp is toooooooooo large man, shooting RAW is pain in the ass,
dont count the 5D2 yet But its good for you to crop the picture out lah not too often also for me
I found out D3 series is a nice class, because its the only Low MP , High FPS , FF camera.

Canon doesnt have their class to compete D3.

This post has been edited by 168257061: Mar 1 2011, 03:19 PM

Don't forget higher MP also need bigger storage space and will tax your pc for post processing.... D700/D3 series is just awesome, FF, superb low noise, superb speed only thing is no video( I am not using so doesn't bother me )

D3s got video

Anyone who uses D3 right now has the need to change D3s yet ?
I think D3 ISO noise control is damn superb already

Can't afford that , don't really need the high ISO performance of it, my D700 is more than enough for the time being

D3 and D3s ISO performance lain lah..D3s gila punya camera

btw guys, if wan put mbd10 on d700, nid take off the 'given' screen potektor ah? (suddenly feel like wanna buy mbd10 due to always shoot vertical and no money to buy D3s yet )

for lower budget like me..
116 is good choice right?

That's Canon la. They pump high MP! But take a look at Nikon, D90 12MP -> D7000 16MP.

Yes, they do not change unfortunalWhen I started out, I never had new lenses. If they were Nikkor, they were all 2nd hand. Yeah, I could afford 3rd party lenses but of course before I spend I make sure there are plus points to getting a non-Nikkor lens.

I was referring to equal test done is the same lighting condition.

Oh, it's not about the age thingy. I mean how else would you want to search for information? FB?

Yup. That's why 12Mp is quite ideal.

But then again, if you take the 21Mp from the 5DMkII and down size it to 12Mp size, you'd notice that the noise is quite equal and in some ways better than Nikon's 12Mp. That happens to be the same for the D3X too.

Yeah, the ultimate test is printing out the output. That's why all the years before the D300 and D700, I was using a D2Hs because 4Mp (quality Megapixels) was enough for me. And before the Nikon D3 and D700 bodies came into the picture, the D2Hs was the best "high ISO" camera from Nikon. I had no problems shooting at ISO 1600.

Well, nowadays hard disk space is not a concern anymore. CPU power also the same. Last time, yes, those reason are very valid.

Oh, I leave video to the handphone.

Not required. The protector can stay there.

Hope you realise that the MDB-10 with the D700 is more bulky that the D3/D3s.

Search for information ? I don't. I go try out !

i think either tokina 12-24mm or 11-16mm are good enough.
nikon DX UWA lens are way too expensive given its IQ.

Yes, the D700 + MB-D10 is heavier and harder to handle as compared to D3/D3s/D3x. The pro bodies have better weight distribution and feels lighter for me.

I still cannot get used to the selector button for focus selection on the MDB-10. It's too far away from my thumb. It's also quite hard to navigate with it as it's more like a joystick button. I'm so used to the placement of that button on the D2 series body. Really nice handling. Why can't they make that button the same type of quality and feel as found on the D700 body itself?

Is your MB-D10 new? Cause when mine was new, it was very hard. I can't barely go diagonal, even up down left and right took effort! I tried my friend's MB-D10 which is pretty much seasoned, the joystick is actually quite nice to use!

Mine's now getting softer, but I rarely use the stick unless I'm shooting with 70200 or 1635. If using 85 usually center focus then recompose.