http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmcO4G6I0jA

http://www.wowprogress.com/

I wonder if it's possible for Malaysian guilds to be top contenders for world firsts?
Take Paragon for example. Paragon is a 100% Finnish guild and is largely unknown during Ensidia's reign of glory.
And out of nowhere, they are now the top raiding guild in the world.

Another good example would be Stars from TW WoW, they are currently among the top 5 raiding guilds in the world. They were largely unknown before their claim to fame with Yogg+0.

I've played in EU guilds before, and I have mentioned before that their discipline and dedication are second to none. They make us work for our raid spots and whip us till our backs break (literally, not to mention that I'm both angry and thankful for the impression they have left on me)

But I would like to know from you guys. What do you think? What makes these guilds tick? Can malaysian guilds do the same?

This is PVE, not like PVP where extremely good latencies actually do matter. So, please do not include the reasons 'because of high server latency' or 'streamyx sux' in your replies.

Discuss.

This post has been edited by gaeria84: Jan 24 2011, 10:32 PM

can i ask the what is the sacrifice need to be done if u want to be teh best raiding guild?

from my humble opinion,

1. malaysian dont have such discipline
2. we too dramatic
3. we give up too easily
4. we like politics more than kick ass dps
5. we compare too much
6. we dont share loots
7. its every nigga for themselves among malaysian

No sacrifice needed. Hardcore guilds do not raid as much as you think. They only put their feet to the pedal when new content is released. Other days, they raid like any normal guild.

From what I have seen, most guilds are too dependant on boss guides, preferring to wait for boss guides and strategies to be posted on mmo sites rather than wipe countlessly on the first few days of new content.

u need scarifice la..in terms of playing time

1. you hardly find malaysian wow players, because malaysian usually dont play p2p games.
2. WoW is too hard for them, so they prefer dota because it is so f***en easy by just faceroll the 4 spells in da keyboard (e.g. team KS,see how they became so famous in worldwide but sadly the homeground smm grand final got pawned by the china team, 1st china 2nd china 3rd china 4th china)
3. even if u so lucky recruited malaysian, their attitude and discipline no where difference compare to dota players, 99% of dota players love to rage at each other same goes to wow they will eventually rage at guildmates who looted their items.

cannot.. too much real life responsibilities to look after rather than chasing for first kills... Unless my dad strike $100million lottery then maybe :>

It's silly to attempt to be a top guild regardless of who you are. It's like getting Realm Firsts while leveling. At 3:00 AM you click "PLAY" as fast as you can, blaze through all the levels and get beat by the 10 other players who got SSDs, a better processor, and a better internet connection than you. Raiding is the same - it's all about efficiency, coordination, and even where you live is an advantage.

Since you're in Malaysia, I'll point out some things about your location:

You live in the GMT+8 time zone in Malaysia, the same time zone as Western Australia.

So, let's say Europe and America get Patch 4.1 at the same time one day apart (US first, then EU) (this is assuming you plan to form the guild on an Oceanic server). Server time in Oceania is (I assume) the same, or probably GMT+9 (assuming the servers are set to Darwin time) or GMT+10 (assuming servers are set to Sydney time). Assuming maintenance starts at 10:00 AM EST (which means 11:00 PM Malay time) and ends at approximately 7:00 PM EST (because Blizzard is infamous for procrastinating server availability during major content patches) (meaning 8:00 AM Malay time), you're actually at a slight advantage provided you park your character outside or near the new instance (also assuming that your work day starts somewhere around 9:00 AM, which is probably doesn't. Of course, that could be negated by the fact that you're unemployed if that is truly the case). You wake up refreshed and ready to kick bubble gum and chew ass (pun intended)(yes, the original IS the other way around).

If something seems obscenely inaccurate, please let me know.

This post has been edited by Sup: Jan 25 2011, 08:28 AM

we dont have the latency too. The closest to the best latency is wowtaiwan and oceanic.

If u want to attempt world 1st in US with mostly Malaysian player playing in Malaysia? forget it.

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Added on January 25, 2011, 8:55 amya true. The time factor too.

This post has been edited by hidden830726: Jan 25 2011, 08:55 AM

do able,
atleast you need 10 people got the will(freetime) to do it.
atleast reallife friends
they atleast have a balance life (work also play wow).
enough income to sustain life
not kiasi
and finally,
dedication



congratulation, world first/server first its yours

in my point of view, in the end, it just not worth it.

This post has been edited by Imbecile: Jan 25 2011, 08:57 AM

To put it simple, unless all malaysian can play together under one roof - i mean server, else, u wont be able to get the best ppl for the best progression.

Look at all of us here, we split among, wowUS, wowOceanic, wowTaiwan, and different different server, alliance and horde side.

Malaysian are not concentrated enough to perform such feat.

Unless some sponsor come, recruit and hence to get the best pve player under one roof.

Its a small pool btw. Not alot of Malaysian playing this game. Especially when its so expensive to start with. They play DotA because DotA, is affordable and playable with friends in Lan party. Where else wow, the popular perception is where it require expensive start up CD key, which true to a certain extend. Even with wowtaian, which im trying to introduce to everyone, still see the monthly fees / time card as a barrier.

That's too many free to play game in the market.

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Added on January 25, 2011, 9:07 amU need 10 of them to be leet in pve too.


This post has been edited by hidden830726: Jan 25 2011, 09:07 AM

its not impossible, u just need to find 10 person like me.
works only 4 hours a day.
enuf salary to cover evrything.
GF that really understand ur passion.
know how to balance life and social. so u dont get bored to easy.

FACT - malaysia population is estimated to be 28+ millions.
68% of it - 15-60 years old.

and we cant find only 10 person??? impossible. MALAYSIA BOLEH!
ask ur fren to ask ur fren to ask ur fren to join play.. lol..

can i go for an interview for a job like yours?!!? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

anyway... we can... if we are more dedicated and be less calculative, we have the typical china man thinking...

if he got it, i want it too!

y i wanna wipe non-stop if i can wait them tell me how its done?

repair bill is a cost.

waahh! i got 10 malaysian friends in wow to raid... oh wait... got ang moh there, looks like they more pro /gquit bye pariahs!

hehe my companys not too big, only 5 ppl running the show..
yeah to i dont think to find 10 ppls is impossible..

the search is on for the CHOSEN 10..

LOL

>top world contender

you best be jokin nigga

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Added on January 25, 2011, 11:58 am^



i rest my case.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jan 25 2011, 11:58 AM

Not only that, but a conventional Aussie Darwin and east would start work before maintenance was over. You're only competing with people from Western Australia and some stragglers from elsewhere.

So many negative replies?

First and foremost, the point of this thread is not to taunt Malaysian guilds into thinking and accepting that Malaysian guilds are vastly inferior to other guilds. This is just to jog our minds as to why we cannot perform a similar feat. Is it because of our culture? Is it because of our mindset? Is it because we severely underestimate our own capabilities?


This is not true. Paragon (http://www.paragon.fi/about) for example, under normal circumstances, only raids 5 hours per day, 4 days (Wed/Thu/Sun/Mon) per week.
They also added that during farming period, it can be as low as 2-3 hours per week. Reason for this is because most of them are working adults, who can only play after work, and yes, they also need time with friends & family.
In case you do not know about european culture, is that they do everything within a certain timeframe, then they leave everything on the table, and go to bed/socialize with friends/RL stuff.
They do not practice staying up late (trust me on this, have seen this with my own eyes, they would not sacrifice sleep for a game). They allot a few hours a day for raiding and get everything done before bedtime.

The more time you invest doesn't necessarily mean the higher your chances are of getting a boss kill. A boss kill doesn't depend on how much time you have invested, rather on how fast you learn/adapt to the encounter.
You can invest a few hundred hours/wipes and still not get a boss kill, some guilds can invest only a few hours/wipes and still get a boss kill.


This is also not true. Remember ForScience, the world first 85? He did mention that he was unable to log in to his server for a few hours, so he was actually set back by a couple of hours, but despite that, he managed to get world first just 2-3 hours before his closest rival.
Similarly, for pve encounters, some guilds take a shorter time to clear an encounter, some take longer.
You may log in an hour late, but if the guild that has entered an hour earlier before you takes three hours to clear an encounter, while you only take one hour, you are still ahead of the game.
Let's not forget, EU guilds getting world firsts despite the fact that they get their patch a day after US guilds. Stars TW got world first Yogg+0 despite the fact that TW WoW only receives their patch a week later than US/EU.

Anyways, don't be mad, not trying to hurt anyone's ego or anything. Just a burning question I have been attempting to answer for quite some time now

Even if it's not for world first, top 100-200? Not pushing anyone to perform similar feats, I wouldn't even push my own guild to do it if they don't want to. This is not a challenge, this is food for thought. Judging from most of the responses here, I can already see why.

This post has been edited by gaeria84: Jan 25 2011, 12:59 PM

Red/yellow ping will kill us

I remember i used to raid so often long time ago and failed because of ping and sometimes maybe my PC is low spec

LOL. did u read the 1st post till finish?

Halfway and someone did mention latency