http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmcO4G6I0jA

http://www.wowprogress.com/

I wonder if it's possible for Malaysian guilds to be top contenders for world firsts?
Take Paragon for example. Paragon is a 100% Finnish guild and is largely unknown during Ensidia's reign of glory.
And out of nowhere, they are now the top raiding guild in the world.

Another good example would be Stars from TW WoW, they are currently among the top 5 raiding guilds in the world. They were largely unknown before their claim to fame with Yogg+0.

I've played in EU guilds before, and I have mentioned before that their discipline and dedication are second to none. They make us work for our raid spots and whip us till our backs break (literally, not to mention that I'm both angry and thankful for the impression they have left on me)

But I would like to know from you guys. What do you think? What makes these guilds tick? Can malaysian guilds do the same?

This is PVE, not like PVP where extremely good latencies actually do matter. So, please do not include the reasons 'because of high server latency' or 'streamyx sux' in your replies.

Discuss.

This post has been edited by gaeria84: Jan 24 2011, 10:32 PM

No sacrifice needed. Hardcore guilds do not raid as much as you think. They only put their feet to the pedal when new content is released. Other days, they raid like any normal guild.

From what I have seen, most guilds are too dependant on boss guides, preferring to wait for boss guides and strategies to be posted on mmo sites rather than wipe countlessly on the first few days of new content.

So many negative replies?

First and foremost, the point of this thread is not to taunt Malaysian guilds into thinking and accepting that Malaysian guilds are vastly inferior to other guilds. This is just to jog our minds as to why we cannot perform a similar feat. Is it because of our culture? Is it because of our mindset? Is it because we severely underestimate our own capabilities?


This is not true. Paragon (http://www.paragon.fi/about) for example, under normal circumstances, only raids 5 hours per day, 4 days (Wed/Thu/Sun/Mon) per week.
They also added that during farming period, it can be as low as 2-3 hours per week. Reason for this is because most of them are working adults, who can only play after work, and yes, they also need time with friends & family.
In case you do not know about european culture, is that they do everything within a certain timeframe, then they leave everything on the table, and go to bed/socialize with friends/RL stuff.
They do not practice staying up late (trust me on this, have seen this with my own eyes, they would not sacrifice sleep for a game). They allot a few hours a day for raiding and get everything done before bedtime.

The more time you invest doesn't necessarily mean the higher your chances are of getting a boss kill. A boss kill doesn't depend on how much time you have invested, rather on how fast you learn/adapt to the encounter.
You can invest a few hundred hours/wipes and still not get a boss kill, some guilds can invest only a few hours/wipes and still get a boss kill.


This is also not true. Remember ForScience, the world first 85? He did mention that he was unable to log in to his server for a few hours, so he was actually set back by a couple of hours, but despite that, he managed to get world first just 2-3 hours before his closest rival.
Similarly, for pve encounters, some guilds take a shorter time to clear an encounter, some take longer.
You may log in an hour late, but if the guild that has entered an hour earlier before you takes three hours to clear an encounter, while you only take one hour, you are still ahead of the game.
Let's not forget, EU guilds getting world firsts despite the fact that they get their patch a day after US guilds. Stars TW got world first Yogg+0 despite the fact that TW WoW only receives their patch a week later than US/EU.

Anyways, don't be mad, not trying to hurt anyone's ego or anything. Just a burning question I have been attempting to answer for quite some time now

Even if it's not for world first, top 100-200? Not pushing anyone to perform similar feats, I wouldn't even push my own guild to do it if they don't want to. This is not a challenge, this is food for thought. Judging from most of the responses here, I can already see why.

This post has been edited by gaeria84: Jan 25 2011, 12:59 PM

Yes, but not to a great extent. I would only classify anything above 600ms to be horrid for raiding. And most of us here have 200-350ms, some guilds even have sponsored tunneling services.

Some members of Stars TW actually play from the US. So 200-350ms give or take, which is pretty optimal while not perfect.
Blizzard did not design encounters that require superhuman reflexes. All encounters give you ample time to interrupt or react.

In the case of optimal latency, honestly, it's rare to see people failing to interrupt cause of latency, but I see a lot of people failing to interrupt just because it gimps their dps

This post has been edited by gaeria84: Jan 25 2011, 05:59 PM

No, that's not the purpose of this thread lol.
Trying to hit home an idea which was taboo for many people.