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post May 10 2011, 12:09 AM

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If im not mistaken, aftermarket shifter only shorten the gear between 1-2 and 3-4 only. Others remain the same. I custom made mine with 1 sic fellow. Damn nice. 1-2-3-4-5-R all shorten. Unlike our stock shift. Huhu
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post May 10 2011, 01:18 AM

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i saw these weeks ago. not bad

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...rt-shifter.html



Anyone sells NARDI steerings here? looking. Used one will do..

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post May 10 2011, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(tofu @ May 9 2011, 05:26 PM)
using the 3 puck exedy clutch above, the clutch pedal isn't as stiff as ppl think it is

it is moderately stiffer only, definitely can live with it

no putus cable, no other problems

as for 4g13 vs. 4g15, i fuel consumption between the 2 for me was negligible, however power difference between the 2 is very obvious

for rm1k-ish only, u get approx. 20hp instantly, where else to find such bang-for-your-buck
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depends leh, carby 4g15p has quite high fc for my case, power confirm got la, but will drink more petrol also
i got not 1 but 2 saga at home, both also drink fuel 1
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post May 10 2011, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(thken @ May 10 2011, 02:00 AM)
depends leh, carby 4g15p has quite high fc for my case, power confirm got la, but will drink more petrol also
i got not 1 but 2 saga at home, both also drink fuel 1
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Your car consume high FC doesn't mean all Sagas are like that doh.gif

As mentioned many times before, retune your carb to get better FC. Just check for previous postings in this thread on how to get better FC
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post May 10 2011, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 8 2011, 10:45 PM)
Well....for afr i got vacuum gauge to check on my reading so its easier but also have to trial and error + testing after tuning to suite ur driving style.....my aircon off screw i set to 900rpm while my aircon on i set to 1000rpm.....but u will suffer from loss of power when ur aircon compressor kick in so its up to u to decide(i seldom use aircon so its no prob for me  smile.gif )
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vacuum gauge is not to check ur AFR laa...
vacuum gauge is to check ur intake manifold pressure...

QUOTE(Notoriez @ May 9 2011, 01:27 AM)
No need to waste money change to bigger full piping, extractor or what ever...this would only increase your FC....malas to explain further
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haha... tired of explaining over and over again every few days when new member pops in asking the same thing.... laugh.gif

QUOTE(lyordson @ May 9 2011, 02:11 AM)
and also, my friend said that hi-cam is useless for carbie..  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(chypp @ May 9 2011, 02:12 PM)
Hi Sifus. Need help here on my 2003 iswara. The problem relates to handling.

It started recently when i drive from penang to KL. The best way to describe the problem maybe: the handling feels weird, response when cornering not like normal car. It is most obivious when driving above 90kmh and overtaking a car; feels like the car is out of control. Feels like slow response from steering, or an oversteer. What is the most probable reason?

few infos:
1) The steering had been changed to power steering in 2008. Was good back then, only minor leaking.
2) The abs are rojak. Front is std lmst (gas), rear is std iswara (oil).. or the opposite. I cant remember. Same with the coils.
3) Alignment is OK. Checked with a trusty alignment workshop. The shop did check a bit, and said the rear axel is not ok. I saw the rubber seal have oil leakage. But the shop didnt seem confident, and said cant do it that day coz got 2 cars overhaul. Repair cost almost RM300 btw.

So based on the infos, what is possible problem? What should i check so that i wont waste money repairing unrelated issue(s)?

Any trusty workshop to recommend area puchong/kajang/serdang/bangi? Might want to change clutch, and maybe some tuning also at the same time. If all OK and still got extra budget, might interested to performance upgrade to improve comfort/safety (no idea yet).

Thanks a bunch.
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check all 4 tyres for correct tyre pressure... check if all 4 tyres got thread or not...
check front and rear absorber see if they are working or dead (damaged/leaking)...
check wheel alignment as well as camber setting...
check front lower arm bushing and rear trailing arm bushing....

QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 9 2011, 05:01 PM)
Bro,hw to check gb oil?there is no stick oh....any instruction to check? smile.gif
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there's a bolt size 14 or 17 (cannot remember) just below the linkage selector... remove it and stick ur finger inside... if u can touch the oil means sufficient... if not, pls top up with extra gear oil...

QUOTE(lyordson @ May 9 2011, 09:23 PM)
1. stroker kit means using 1.3 block with 1.5 piston?
2. plonking in 1.5 block means swap 4g13 engine to 4g15?
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1. stroker kit consist of crankshaft, conrods and pistons... it is meant to increase an engine displacement by increasing the bore and stroke size... there are tonnes of stroker kit out there for various types of engine.... for example, evo 2.2L stroker kit and so on.... for 4g15, we can use stroker kit from 4g18 engine... to use 4g15 stroker kit in 4g13 is dangerous as 4g13 cylinder block wall is quite thin to begin with...

QUOTE(mikro @ May 9 2011, 09:26 PM)
is proton iswara origional extrator is 4-2-1?

If let say I want to mod from ori setup, 4-2-1 extrator , stright tru mid box then exhaust pipe, what the different between s-flow and strightflow?

I need low end and mid range power most of the time.
Need recomendation for shop in sunway.
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original proton iswara 4-2-1 header looks like this... its also called cast exhaust manifold...

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aftermarket 4-2-1 extractor looks like this...

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notice the difference between both 4-2-1 extractor??... 4-2-1 is just the configuration... piping size and length is what matters....

as for muffler.... inside of an s-flow muffler looks like this...

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while straight flow muffler looks like this...

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low and mid-range torque... stock exhaust is the best... icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(lyordson @ May 9 2011, 10:24 PM)
har 1.5 block 1k-ish only???
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total cost approximate that price laa...

QUOTE(Lowenkreuz @ May 9 2011, 11:08 PM)
oh yeah, is there any short shifter available for our car? price around how much?
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i got sell... interested PM me...

QUOTE(fleekreturn @ May 10 2011, 12:09 AM)
If im not mistaken, aftermarket shifter only shorten the gear between 1-2 and 3-4 only. Others remain the same. I custom made mine with 1 sic fellow. Damn nice. 1-2-3-4-5-R all shorten. Unlike our stock shift. Huhu
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customed by jenal??.. dat one really sifu... his work place equipped with proper machinery as well...
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post May 10 2011, 07:11 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 10 2011, 06:56 AM)
vacuum gauge is not to check ur AFR laa...
vacuum gauge is to check ur intake manifold pressure...
Haha.....but also can be use to tune afr if noe how brows.gif
learn from pro online biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 10 2011, 07:11 AM)
Haha.....but also can be use to tune afr if noe how  brows.gif
learn from pro online  biggrin.gif
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u need a proper wideband o2 sensor to accurately determine the AF mixture across the rev range... using vacuum gauge or sparkplug reading method only tells half a story of it.... another half is prolly exposed to lean mixture and serious engine pinging problem....
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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ May 10 2011, 12:09 AM)
If im not mistaken, aftermarket shifter only shorten the gear between 1-2 and 3-4 only. Others remain the same. I custom made mine with 1 sic fellow. Damn nice. 1-2-3-4-5-R all shorten. Unlike our stock shift. Huhu
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Interesting.... Mine give me more info? drool.gif
I just want to shorten the forward gears, reverse remain stock length la, possible?
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post May 10 2011, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 10 2011, 07:43 AM)
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u need a proper wideband o2 sensor to accurately determine the AF mixture across the rev range... using vacuum gauge or sparkplug reading method only tells half a story of it.... another half is prolly exposed to lean mixture and serious engine pinging problem....
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Me still student bro,can't afford O2 wideband sensor....only can trial and error + vacuum meter cry.gif


Added on May 10, 2011, 9:51 am
QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 10 2011, 06:56 AM)

there's a bolt size 14 or 17 (cannot remember) just below the linkage selector... remove it and stick ur finger inside... if u can touch the oil means sufficient... if not, pls top up with extra gear oil...
Is it the gold colour bolt facing upward?

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post May 10 2011, 10:29 AM

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Super 4 is the best for saga 12V...


Added on May 10, 2011, 10:33 ami just done port-polish ,crankshaft pulley change and clean the engine head... is perfectly smooth... just waiting to try a 4-2-1 exhaust..

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If i plonk in the hi-cam first instead of headers/extractors, will it be abnormal? any cons?

how to know wheter im using hi-cam now, coz when i bought this car last year, the previous owner mention bout the cam. in that case, i dont need to spend again x)
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post May 10 2011, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 10 2011, 06:56 AM)
check all 4 tyres for correct tyre pressure... check if all 4 tyres got thread or not...
check front and rear absorber see if they are working or dead (damaged/leaking)...
check wheel alignment as well as camber setting...
check front lower arm bushing and rear trailing arm bushing....
hmmm.. most stuff relating to tyre/alignment already check. as for trailing arm, i saw the middle part (which got some rubber) is oily and kinda damaged. To repair, what item should i replace? found something relate to "rear axle kit", should i ask for it at shop? Last time the shop said need to replace "rear axle" (whoa!) so im a bit skeptical..

will feedback later. thanks ya.
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post May 10 2011, 02:15 PM

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Hi..am a LMST user..

The car is already 7 yrs and still functioning well..got any recommendation for car bodyshop to repair the sqeaking n rattling sounds in my car?
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QUOTE(Lowenkreuz @ May 10 2011, 08:07 AM)
I just want to shorten the forward gears, reverse remain stock length la, possible?
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short shifter only reduce the throw of ur gear stick... it does not change the gear ratio...

QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 10 2011, 09:48 AM)
Is it the gold colour bolt facing upward?
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nope... its a bolt facing forward... see from the top abit hard to spot coz it is partially blocked... climb down from bottom u can spot it easily...

QUOTE(lyordson @ May 10 2011, 11:33 AM)
If i plonk in the hi-cam first instead of headers/extractors, will it be abnormal? any cons?

how to know wheter im using hi-cam now, coz when i bought this car last year, the previous owner mention bout the cam. in that case, i dont need to spend again x)
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a bit abnormal lor... u give ur engine a free breathing exhaust system first... if not, slotting in high cam does not make full use of it...

to check whether u using highcam or not, u need to remove ur cam and check... some have label, some might not... for those which does not have any label, u need dail gauge to determine the cam duration and micrometer to check the cam lift.... compare the results with oem cam specs....

QUOTE(chypp @ May 10 2011, 11:40 AM)
hmmm.. most stuff relating to tyre/alignment already check. as for trailing arm, i saw the middle part (which got some rubber) is oily and kinda damaged. To repair, what item should i replace? found something relate to "rear axle kit", should i ask for it at shop? Last time the shop said need to replace "rear axle" (whoa!) so im a bit skeptical..

will feedback later. thanks ya.
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rear trailing arm bush replacement normally cost around rm200-rm250... when u take corner hard and can hear kruk kruk sound from the rear, u know ur rear arm bush needs replacement d....
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 10 2011, 07:43 AM)
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u need a proper wideband o2 sensor to accurately determine the AF mixture across the rev range... using vacuum gauge or sparkplug reading method only tells half a story of it.... another half is prolly exposed to lean mixture and serious engine pinging problem....
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 10 2011, 03:02 PM)
nope... its a bolt facing forward... see from the top abit hard to spot coz it is partially blocked... climb down from bottom u can spot it easily...
Thanks for the info,will have a look during the weekend smile.gif
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QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 9 2011, 05:01 PM)
Bro,hw to check gb oil?there is no stick oh....any instruction to check? smile.gif
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find the speedo cable follow from ur firewall
remove the cable and remove a no.10 nut attatch to a gear casing that hold the gear to pusing ur speedo
must ketuk ketuk
then you can see the oil level directlly

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The New Petronas 95 Extra is quite good....switched to that type and feel the differences....i guess

any recommendation for fueling? LMST 1.3
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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ May 10 2011, 05:36 PM)
find the speedo cable follow from ur firewall
remove the cable and remove a no.10 nut attatch to a gear casing that hold the gear to pusing ur speedo
must ketuk ketuk 
then you can see the oil level directlly
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dat lubang also can used to fill up gearbox oil... but u might accidentally overfill it... gearbox has a small breather look alike rubber... if u overfill with oil, oil might squirt out from that breather... it can also damage the breather in long run, causing blockage and leaking issue on driveshaft oil seal...

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