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Chan320
post May 8 2011, 02:08 PM

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Added on May 8, 2011, 12:17 pm
12.5km per liter is REALLY GOOD biggrin.gif

Just wondering why you need to use RON97. There is not much difference as our ignition timing still can set to advance on RON95 provided you are using stock cam + neutral settings.

Average FC for carbie 4G1s engine are 10-11km / liter...


If 12.5km per liter is really good then my one 14~15Km per liter not damn good ler? laugh.gif

I'm using Ron97 as well....slightly tune and mostly town driving + occasionally high rev for some adrenaline thumbup.gif
am running on crab still smile.gif
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post May 8 2011, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(fleekreturn @ May 8 2011, 04:24 AM)
8-9 km per L of petrol almost the same as me.. huhu.
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same la here sad.gif

QUOTE(lyordson @ May 8 2011, 09:11 AM)
err no link wor, he pm me only. says for 4g13 Exedy performance clutch set plate + cover price rm590. hmm.gif
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should be this one... 3puck racing clutch... for 1.3/1.5 flywheel...

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will make ur left leg stronger... laugh.gif

QUOTE(Notoriez @ May 8 2011, 12:15 PM)
JH got do Mandrel bent meh  hmm.gif

No doubt increasing piping size would increase WHP but torque wise is really doh.gif
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nope... hahaha... laugh.gif
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post May 8 2011, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 8 2011, 02:08 PM)
If 12.5km per liter is really good then my one 14~15Km per liter not damn good ler?  laugh.gif

I'm using Ron97 as well....slightly tune and mostly town driving + occasionally high rev for some adrenaline thumbup.gif
am running on crab still  smile.gif
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That is even good...

Most of us here only average 9-11 km / liter..it's either because engine is sick, need tuning or got monster inside like catacombs one wink.gif
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post May 8 2011, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Notoriez @ May 8 2011, 06:34 PM)
That is even good...

Most of us here only average 9-11 km / liter..it's either because engine is sick, need tuning or got monster inside like catacombs one wink.gif
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Haha.....soon my fc should be like tat,upgrade in progress just budget prob sad.gif
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post May 8 2011, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 8 2011, 03:48 AM)
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1.  carburetor needs retuning... other faults could be culprit as well... need thorough check...
2.  carburetor needs retuning... sparkplugs could had worn out...
3.  check bushing... check absorber...
4.  whats ur budget??...
kasi link see his rm590 got what he offer...
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My current mechanic did retuning for me for the ignition timing... but he just listen and tune. Is that how it suppose to work?
for car tyre change, probably the budget is around RM800+- for 14 inch tyre?

I'm looking for minimal upgrades for lowering my fuel consumption + better car reaction when using ron95. i felt the difference when i changed the ron. It's like my limbs are retarded. not fast reaction.lol. Also, if possible, my breaking system or tyre grip so that the car stops when it suppose to stops.
i would be comfortable if it's below RM1k for now but what is the budget range that make sense for the reasonable low end upgrades?

QUOTE(fleekreturn @ May 8 2011, 04:24 AM)
8-9 km per L of petrol almost the same as me.. huhu.
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sad.gif any solution u have to increase the mileage?

QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 8 2011, 02:08 PM)
If 12.5km per liter is really good then my one 14~15Km per liter not damn good ler?  laugh.gif

I'm using Ron97 as well....slightly tune and mostly town driving + occasionally high rev for some adrenaline thumbup.gif
am running on crab still  smile.gif
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what slight tuning u did? and specific tuning range or some sort?

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post May 8 2011, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 07:04 PM)
My current mechanic did retuning for me for the ignition timing... but he just listen and tune. Is that how it suppose to work?
for car tyre change, probably the budget is around RM800+- for 14 inch tyre?

I'm looking for minimal upgrades for lowering my fuel consumption + better car reaction when using ron95.  i felt the difference when i changed the ron. It's like my limbs are retarded. not fast reaction.lol. Also, if possible, my breaking system or tyre grip so that the car stops when it suppose to stops.
i would be comfortable if it's below RM1k for now but what is the budget range that make sense for the reasonable low end upgrades? 
sad.gif any solution u have to increase the mileage?
what slight tuning u did? and specific tuning range or some sort?
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1k budget for tyre can get high performance tyre brows.gif
advan neuva ad07
14 inch 200++ a piece

ya ignition tuning is this method
my forman lagi keng no need listen agak agak know pusing how much , no more knocking sound shocking.gif
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post May 8 2011, 07:18 PM

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try sound proofing the car? helps alot!
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post May 8 2011, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ May 8 2011, 07:15 PM)
1k budget for tyre can get high performance tyre  brows.gif
advan neuva ad07
14 inch 200++ a piece

ya ignition tuning is this method
my forman lagi keng no need listen agak agak know pusing how much , no more knocking sound  shocking.gif
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I'm still using the stock rims. So, such good performance tyre need to use sport rims?

btw, is carb tuning the same as ignition tuning?


Also, does proton saga 2007 have ECU? saw one forumer selling "Power Booster Turbo Eco Extra" but it's like a voltage regulator. So not sure whether it works for this saga or not.

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post May 8 2011, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ May 8 2011, 06:12 PM)
same la here sad.gif
should be this one... 3puck racing clutch... for 1.3/1.5 flywheel...

user posted image

will make ur left leg stronger...  laugh.gif
nope... hahaha... laugh.gif
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tak putus ke kabel? if clutch pump maybe ok..
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post May 8 2011, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 07:31 PM)
I'm still using the stock rims. So, such good performance tyre need to use sport rims?

btw, is carb tuning the same as ignition tuning?
Also, does proton saga 2007 have ECU? saw one forumer selling "Power Booster Turbo Eco Extra" but it's like a voltage regulator. So not sure whether it works for this saga or not.
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Nope, as long as its the same rim diameter. you can use. But i recomend you use Michelin Xm1 la. Its a good tire with the balance of comfort & grip

carb tuning and ignition tuning are both different stuff. But i leave this to sifu2 to explain. Im not so good with technical stuff

Proton saga 1985-2007 got no ECU. Those turbo eco , volt stablilzer, salar energy , surbo, suck air shit, & etc. Those are bull shit!

Best way to improve performance is change the whole block to 4g15. But if you budget, a simple exhaust modification is enough .

roughly around Rm400 for a whole exhaust system.
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post May 8 2011, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 07:31 PM)
I'm still using the stock rims. So, such good performance tyre need to use sport rims?

btw, is carb tuning the same as ignition tuning?
Also, does proton saga 2007 have ECU? saw one forumer selling "Power Booster Turbo Eco Extra" but it's like a voltage regulator. So not sure whether it works for this saga or not.
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no need 1
since urs is 14 inch

carb and ignition tuning diferent
carb is air / fuel
ignition is distributor firing timing

need both properrly calibrate go gain better fc

nope our 4g13 no have ecu if carb
no need go buy all those hocus pokus stuff that claim save fuel
better of use the money to get ur engine properrly tuned
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ah sid say all edi...

proper tuning is the best solution
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post May 8 2011, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 07:04 PM)
My current mechanic did retuning for me for the ignition timing... but he just listen and tune. Is that how it suppose to work?
for car tyre change, probably the budget is around RM800+- for 14 inch tyre?

I'm looking for minimal upgrades for lowering my fuel consumption + better car reaction when using ron95.  i felt the difference when i changed the ron. It's like my limbs are retarded. not fast reaction.lol. Also, if possible, my breaking system or tyre grip so that the car stops when it suppose to stops.
i would be comfortable if it's below RM1k for now but what is the budget range that make sense for the reasonable low end upgrades? 
sad.gif any solution u have to increase the mileage?
what slight tuning u did? and specific tuning range or some sort?
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I change air filter,DIY CAI,lighten crank pulley.....as for tuning i retune my afr and both idle screw for aircon off and aircon on.....manage to get about 550km for 35L depend on my foot..still running everything else stock btw
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post May 8 2011, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ May 8 2011, 07:40 PM)
no need 1
since urs is 14 inch

carb and ignition tuning diferent
carb is air / fuel
ignition is distributor firing timing

need both properrly calibrate go gain better fc

nope our 4g13 no have ecu if carb
no need go buy all those hocus pokus stuff that claim save fuel
better of use the money to get ur engine properrly tuned
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QUOTE(Gilbert5107 @ May 8 2011, 07:56 PM)
ah sid say all edi...

proper tuning is the best solution
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For proper tuning, where can i find a good calibrator workshop?

QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 8 2011, 08:04 PM)
I change air filter,DIY CAI,lighten crank pulley.....as for tuning i retune my afr and both idle screw for aircon off and aircon on.....manage to get about 550km for 35L depend on my foot..still running everything else stock btw
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wow. can you share with me how do u decide that the tuning for your afr and both idle screw are at the optimum position?

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post May 8 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 10:30 PM)
For proper tuning, where can i find a good calibrator workshop?
wow. can you share with me how do u decide that the tuning for your afr and both idle screw are at the optimum position?
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Well....for afr i got vacuum gauge to check on my reading so its easier but also have to trial and error + testing after tuning to suite ur driving style.....my aircon off screw i set to 900rpm while my aircon on i set to 1000rpm.....but u will suffer from loss of power when ur aircon compressor kick in so its up to u to decide(i seldom use aircon so its no prob for me smile.gif )
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post May 8 2011, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Shawnzz @ May 8 2011, 07:38 PM)
Nope, as long as its the same rim diameter. you can use. But i recomend you use Michelin Xm1 la. Its a good tire with the balance of comfort & grip

carb tuning and ignition tuning are both different stuff. But i leave this to sifu2 to explain. Im not so good with technical stuff

Proton saga 1985-2007 got no ECU. Those turbo eco , volt stablilzer, salar energy , surbo, suck air shit, & etc. Those are bull shit!

Best way to improve performance is change the whole block to 4g15. But if you budget, a simple exhaust modification is enough .

roughly around Rm400 for a whole exhaust system.
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how much should i be budgeting if i were to go for 4g15?

and for the exhaust modification, what kind of modification are we talking about(exhaust kit etc etc)? cos i plan to visit some accessory shops and tell them specifically for such modification. At least they know what i'm talking about.

QUOTE(Chan320 @ May 8 2011, 10:45 PM)
Well....for afr i got vacuum gauge to check on my reading so its easier but also have to trial and error + testing after tuning to suite ur driving style.....my aircon off screw i set to 900rpm while my aircon on i set to 1000rpm.....but u will suffer from loss of power when ur aircon compressor kick in so its up to u to decide(i seldom use aircon so its no prob for meĀ  smile.gif )
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i see, thanks for your advice. will check tommoro what is my current aircon on/off rpm setting.

For fuel consumption + acceleration, i would need to go for proper carb tuning. maybe will ask my mechanic to have a look at the tuning again and ask him to adjust for better mileage without loosing much power.

For break system, how much is a decent breaking system? i kinda drive fast and the car sometimes stops to close to being in an accident ><. So my thought was if i have a better breaking system, at least it stop further from accident. This include to change to a better tyre.

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post May 8 2011, 11:33 PM

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Just to know how much is all your LMST owner FC(1.3 stock)

let's say for 100km rate

fuel choice and drive pattern

thanks
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post May 8 2011, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 11:19 PM)
how much should i be budgeting if i were to go for 4g15?

and for the exhaust modification, what kind of modification are we talking about(exhaust kit etc etc)? cos i plan to visit some accessory shops and tell them specifically for such modification. At least they know what i'm talking about.
i see, thanks for your advice. will check tommoro what is my current aircon on/off rpm setting.

For fuel consumption + acceleration, i would need to go for proper carb tuning. maybe will ask my mechanic to have a look at the tuning again and ask him to adjust for better mileage without loosing much power.

For break system, how much is a decent breaking system? i kinda drive fast and the car sometimes stops to close to being in an accident ><. So my thought was if i have a better breaking system, at least it stop further from accident. This include to change to a better tyre.
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brake servo you change or not??
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post May 8 2011, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ May 8 2011, 11:46 PM)
brake servo you change or not??
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Never changed anything yet. It's the stock parts at the moment.
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post May 8 2011, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 8 2011, 11:19 PM)
how much should i be budgeting if i were to go for 4g15?

and for the exhaust modification, what kind of modification are we talking about(exhaust kit etc etc)? cos i plan to visit some accessory shops and tell them specifically for such modification. At least they know what i'm talking about.
i see, thanks for your advice. will check tommoro what is my current aircon on/off rpm setting.

For fuel consumption + acceleration, i would need to go for proper carb tuning. maybe will ask my mechanic to have a look at the tuning again and ask him to adjust for better mileage without loosing much power.

For break system, how much is a decent breaking system? i kinda drive fast and the car sometimes stops to close to being in an accident ><. So my thought was if i have a better breaking system, at least it stop further from accident. This include to change to a better tyre.
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Just prepare about 3k to 5k (cost including the engine or block.)
Depends on what u want to mod while changing to 4G15 whether is the engine kosong or just the block itselves.
Either u change whole engine or the block. Do head pnp, chg the piston ring and bearing, clutch and others accessories part which is time to change. (eg: water pump, timing belt and etc) biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

While for the brake. Chg to twin servo brake pump. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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