Hi peeps,

I have difficulties choosing between these two phones. I was thinking to subscribe Digi Iphone4 lowest plan package as it gives unlimited data usage. Whereas if i choose to buy X10, Digi doesnt have unlimited data plan right? so i might end up spending more on paying the data usage? In terms of the specs, X10's camera isit better than iphone4? seriously i have no idea which to choose.. please help...thanks a lot

You dont need an iphone to get the unlimited plan

do they have any package which provides unlimited plan? like the Rm58 will do, i don't call much, just need the free internet usage.

Iphone4 better than X10 IMHO, if you dont mind the price

x10 is half the price of iphone4. theres a lot of data plans available for digi and its nt a must for u to have an iphone4 to get a data plan from digi

in terms of the phone, which is better?
i have calculated the price for both, the original set for x10 is around 1.8k i guess?iphone4 upfront i hv to pay 2k. the rest is the postpaid payment. so more or less the same. i'm afraid the camera is not as good as x10 as i saw some of my fren's pics taken wif iphone, not that clear thou...

original 1.8k? @@ AP should be around 1250, original I guess 1.4 - 1.5k.

For the camera, X10 got led flash but don't have xenon flash.
For the display, Iphone 16m (3.5 inch), x10 65k (4 inch)
For the price , 2 x10 = 1 iPhone 4
And still a lot more.
Hard to compare these 2 when the price is almost double up.
1 x10 can't win 1 iphone 4
2 x10 ?

I took x10, because of the price. If I got money, I will go for iPhone 4.

BTW, I'm using digi data plan, RM68 unlimited with 3gb quota (non-contract)

if x10 current price is 1.5k just hv to add rm500 more to get iphone4. the rest is rm58 per month for 2 years right? actually it's not 2 x10 =1 iphone4. so...i really considering hard..x10 white looks cool but iphone4 very tempting too..sigh

he's talking about the phone price without any contract whatsoever.

i'll vote for X10 for the 4" screen (and lower price, n for me, more reasonable to spend on). iphone4 retina display makes picture sharper, but i am comfortable viewing picture/movies on X10. 1 more, since X10 already got their android 2.1 eclair updates recently, its resolution have up to 16m colours, not 65k as android 1.6 donut limited the colour just only up to 65k.

camera wise, i like X10 picture more than iphone. it is more natural. iphone4's camera also nice, but a bit oversaturated to me. the colour appears a bit broghter from what the natural is.

value for money, x10 definitely

the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status

IMHO, definitely choose iPhone 4. It's quite expensive but worth the money.

what about x10i? what is the differences? and they said x10 got no video call is it true? but i saw a camera on the surface?

i vote for x10

Just my opinion and as much as I hate to say it, iPhone 4 is better. I'm pretty much a die hard SE fan but the X10 is quite a disappointment for me. No multi touch support, laggy interface, 65k colours only. The only thing I like about it is the huge screen.

I phone 4!!!! Now I'm using..... Is easy for Internet and software....

upgrade to eclair


thoug i must say if i could afford the ip4, i would gladly prefer it, since desire HD isnt on the list

What social status? I didn't know that owning an iphone gave you some kind of special status in society. In fact, I actively choose not to buy an iphone. Gosh, am I losing out on some kind of special status here? Please enlighten me.

Going back to TS's topic, iphone4 is easily the better phone overall, I believe. Yes, x10 might have some advantage in some areas, but overall there really is not question that iphone4 is the better phone.

you must be dense then to not note the general attention apple users get in general, which is one of the main appeal for the masses to the device

if not, why else would people be wasting some good 600-1000 for such specs? the maturity of the apps store is a highly overrated matter. i believe less than 50% users actually benefits from it.

afraid wit the 2.1 update for x10
the colour is sill on 65k
the photos taken wit iphone4 is brighter than natural
i posted some photos to compare at x10 thread
taken from my x10 n iphone4

x10 dun hav video calls

or btr still
take both
x10 didnt disappoint me
multi touch i dun need much
my phone is very smooth
65k colours dun lose out much

google just now. SE didn't provide 16m colour update for the update recently. i thought they gave it already. sorry for the mistake. just know this. haha.. 65k colour as on b4 i know it is because limitation from 1.6 donut
further reading, seems that X10 screen is 16m ready. so, maybe it is in the matter of time untill it is 16m
and the multitouch support, i think read somewhere that SE is working on that. (though they said X10 is not capable of multitouch, but after those dude from Xda prove them wrong, they are working on multitouch updates since that

This post has been edited by wuwah: Dec 17 2010, 09:21 PM

X10 is a great phone if u look @ purely spec wise...

but the support of the software kill the phone and make the value drop like waterfall....

In my opinion, the X10 lost to the iPhone because it still doesn't support multi touch function(although its hardware does) because it is still running on Android 2.1. If Sony Ericsson would ever develop and release Android 2.2 for X10 series which supports a whole lot of functions including multi touch then X10 comparable with the iPhone.

With Android 2.1, even a great phone with good spec will be capped to less. For example, with Android 2.1, you cant move your installed applications into your SD card. 1GB internal storage from the X10 aint comparable with iPhone's 16/32GB.

Android 2.1 doesn't support flash player, which i think is a major downturn coz nowadays, almost every website uses flash animation.

So meanwhile, I'd say iPhone.

This post has been edited by Vince1991: Dec 18 2010, 01:09 AM

Truly iPhone4 got gaya..

But dont you think its already too common. Last time iPhone launch, when you see an iPhone you say "wah, you see.. thats an iPhone he's holding"

Now you see an iPhone you say "Cheh, iPhone again."

No offense but in the cinemas, before the show starts, 9 out of 10 lit screens are iPhones.

Too common if you ask me.

iPhone4 is like a bar of gold. Lots of people cannot resist.. xD

rumours said SE already working on 2.2 now. and.. the flash part, your way of explaining, likes iphone got flash player . both actually didn't have that. so, it is the same. but, seems X10 is android, there may be possibility of getting flash support for the browser once it got the updates of froyo (android 2.2). so, in terms of flash, if can wait, X10 may get flash support on the web browser.

Agree..

If can wait, better wait for the X10's Android 2.2 update. Hopefully theres a 2.2 update for my X10 Mini too xD

why don't consider getting htc desire hd? nice phone with android 2.2, 8mp camera with dual led flash and 720p hd video recording...

usually, these X10 brothers will get their updates together since SE abandon symbian d, they should support more on android

@2.5k, maybe to be considered by TS but sure, this is monster phone. just my opinion, the picture quality of SE X10 still better than desire HD base on gsmarena review.

Hey guys..
I've found a guide to install Adobe Flash Player into Android 2.1 devices..
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to...eclair-devices/

Tried and works on X10Mini with android 2.1 build 2.0.A.0.504 Kernel version 2.6.29
The only bad thing is this app is 12.28MB to be exact is a little pain for X10Mini's Internal 128MB memory.

Sorry to tumpang your thread TS. Hope this guide helps you as well

This post has been edited by Vince1991: Dec 18 2010, 02:39 AM

hey bro, you confirm x10mini can support this flash10.1?
can install is not meaning can support

try open the web "www.whatismyflash.com" and see what you get

thanks for all the opinions peeps...i don't need "gaya" anyways...i personally think that x10 is more gorgeous than iphone4. just considering other specs but since they will constantly upgrade then i guess i'll most probably go for x10. btw, anyone of u using x10 white color? i wonder if the metal steel bar which surround the phone may rust?

Hey, you're right. Its either it doesn't work or I have no idea on how to get it working.

But X10 Mini sure meets the requirements though.
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/...dex.html#mobile

TS, X10 White is nice. Good choice. Now lets go sign that petition to make Sony Ericsson release Android 2.2 for X10 series

dun compare a japanese car with american car.

Actually its a hardware limitation, the flash 10.1 only support ARMv7 above processor, x10mini only using ARMv6...............so it cant decode the flash, it need ARMv7 Instruction set to decode

Ahh.. i see.. my bad.. well i dont know much about mobile processor stuff though.. lol.. I just know the clock speed is sufficient..

Lets just hope future versions of Adobe Flash Player would have more hardware support but for now, im just gonna wait for SE to make Froyo for X10 series

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Added on December 18, 2010, 1:24 pmHmm I think he is not trying to compare an American car with a Japanese car.

Its more like comparing Toyota Camry with Honda Accord. Both from same league

This post has been edited by Vince1991: Dec 18 2010, 01:24 PM

iphone is to show off
rfrf

So what you are saying is, having attention = having higher social status? You, my boy, are an idiot.

The "600-1000" that you are "wasting" goes to the very good user experience that you get with the phone. The IP4 is far from being the perfect phone, and yes, I have seen an Iphone freeze, but overall it's a phone that just works, and works beautifully it does too, with minimal fuss. Also, the appstore is what it is. More choice always > no choice - fact.

And that is why people should be buying an Iphone for. Not for the perceived "social status" that it brings.

So even assuming that you are right in the sense that an Iphone4 generates attention, which I seriously doubt by the way, attention does not = social status. Let that be your lesson for today.

Anyway, to me, there's no comparisson. Iphone4 is the phone with the better user experience overall, compared to the x10. That's all there is to it.

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 18 2010, 07:19 PM

better get iphone 4 lah. from my previous user experience, iphone 4 have a much better functionality like clear call for Yahoo Mssenger and Skype, youtube is fast, even the internet also good. but the only thing is, you can't do much customization with iOS, with android you can. just my opinion.

A lot of people forget that when u buy an iPhone u also get an iPod for FREE!

You buy a Sony Ericsson W Series you get a Walkman for free..
You buy a Sony Ericsson K or C Series you get a Cybershot for free..
You buy a Samsung Galaxy S you get a Samsung LED TV for free..

x10 does support app2sd

im a user of the white n black x10
bt not sure if it will rust or not
both phones not yet 1 year
n i always put the phones in a pouch

iphone4 has a good user experience?

for ur info
im an owner of a iphone4 n 2 x10

smooth
iphone4 is more smooth than my x10

phone freeze
iphone4 freezes more than my x10

works beautiful
iphone4 only wins in the colour display
other than tat iphone4 doesnt even come much closer

user experience for me is
somethin tat is good to look at
somethin tat is nice to hold at
somethin which is customizable for me

lookin at the above 3 user experiences for me
iphone4 can only do 2 things
while the x10 can do all 3

appstore havin lots of apps than android market
tat is true
bt i dun think u will even download all of the apps tat is in there
u only download some apps
not all

so wat is the use of havin lots of apps
when all of the functions r almost the same

to even say tat iphone4 user experience is btr than x10
tat is an understatement

i knows nothing about x10. but people said that x10 have a lagg and non-smooth interface. is it that bad?

u must try for yourself. the timescape and mediascape apps on X10 is superb. i like it very much. IMO, it is smooth, and no lag at all when i test it.

emm.. didn't eclair already gave X10 support for apps2sd? heard b4, the 1.6 donut limitations make that didn't work

if its bad
i wont b havin 2 x10 now would i

someone mention tat in x10 loses to iphone4 due to limited space for installin apps
bt i hav meet someone who would install tat huge amount of apps
tat would b insane

actually app2sd is only for froyo
bt some ppl hav made it work for eclair
so now eclair already can support app2sd

ic.. so, since apps2sd available d, it is worth wat

This is small, I seen people with much more apps than mine. All used daily to keeping track of my expenses, tuning guitar, decipher codes etc.

yours is countin songs n such
if u noticed
the person i was quotin was sayin installed apps
he is sayin
cant move installed apps to memory card
hence i said
i hav meet someone who would install tat insane amount of apps
if countin songs n such it would not just b installed apps

First of all, I'm sorry FallenOut, but your post was too long for me to quote in its entirety. I need to edit it, but I'm leaving your main points untouched.

Indeed it has.

User experience trancends things like how smooth the animations look or what the quality of the screen is. If that is the case, my Samsung Wave running on Bada can realistically stake a claim as one of the phones with one of the top user experience as well. But no.

User experience includes things like how intuitive the layout of the UI is. There is a reason why you can see people from various ages ranging from primary school kids to retired grandmas all enjoying their IP4. The IP4, by and large, is a phone that does what you would expect it to do. Things just work.

Of course, the x10 is a very nice phone with certain advantages over the IP4, as I've mentioned. Like the 8MP camera for example. And I'm sure you can name more.

But when it comes to giving its user an overall positive experience, I would rate even my old HTC Hero over the x10, for the simple reason that HTC Sense is more of a joy to use than whatever it is that SE calls their flavour of Android. One thing that you have to understand, good specs does not necessarily = good user experience. The SGS is a prime example of this, and to a lesser extent, so is the x10, in my opinion.


Go reread my post, the part about the appstore, because I think you are missing my point.

You are right, in the sense that how many apps do we really need? I'd say realistically, there are probably only a dozen or two apps that we actually use on a regular basis, and the others are really just there for the novelty factor at best. At worst, they are just taking up space.

However, more choice > no choice. This is a fact.

For example, appstore has Plants vs Zombies. Android market does not (for now at least). This is a fact.

We don't need to argue about the virtues of this game, whether it is a good game or not or whether there are other games similar to it or not. The point is, as an IP4 user my gf has the option to check this game out if she wants to. As an Andriod user, I don't. If I want to, I have to borrow her IP4 to play this game.

So give the IP4 its due when its due. The appstore, as things are currently, is one of the advantages that the iOS has.

More apps mean more variety, most of the time when I need to perform soemthing, i will just search in the appstore and download it.

If I wan a guitar tuner on the spot, I just download it.
If I wan to a thesaurus, i just download it.

I get to do what I want on the spot, which is not available on other platform.

FYI, I owned both IOS and Android devices. I can say Android market is full of craps, without proper control, not to mention not all apps are suitable for each android devices(Google framentation on Android platform - imagine having diff Android manufacturers, diff screen size, diff hardware, diff OS, you cant expect the developer to cater for all the androids phone.). Some of the apps even have spyware inside, or does not perform what it claims.

IOS is diff, you will get a surprise everyday. within last few months, there's something known as Tango - Free video calls over internet/3g, then last month got Viber - Free VOIP call. I can see from my contact list more and more people using IPhone, as those software will be able to detect who is using those apps, then ios user can call/video/msg them directly - FOR FREE ! Browsing the AppStore has become a habit, checking for the Top Free apps, of coz one can always browse the Top Gross - mostly some nice games such as Street Fighter, Hot Pursuit 2010, Mortal Kombat and such...These are the apps wont be available on Android(Maybe later, by that time IOS already has 2nd or third version), take Angry bird for example.

I am not an Apple Fan boy, i've been using PDA since Windows CE, then Android, then IOS, i used to hate Apple as their hardware is always inferior compare to others(HTC, Samsung), however, after getting my hands on Apple, I realised that a GREAT hardware without good apps is like a magazine with a good Cover but no contents.

err, Android has this game way before now.

Android market is full of craps? I can say the same for Appstore.
Spyware? Yes there are, mostly wallpapers,
but the fact is, being an Android user myself, I have never encountered any spyware before.
You're responsible for what you're installing,
if you're simply installing lots of things and not even paying attention to what they have access to, then its your own fault.
reason why Appstore has more quality apps, simply because it is more mature compared to Android market,
it came out earlier, so of course it gets more apps.
if you compare apps available for Android to WP7, can you say that WP7 gives crappy user experience?
just because they have way less apps?

which Android device do you own btw?
different Android phone determines different user experience.
its not fair to compare a mid range Android phone to iPhone, because their price is already not a fair comparison.
try to compare it to Nexus S, the latest phone with the Google brand.
pure Android OS without any crappy tweaks from Samsung.
get some hands on experience on Nexus S, then compare it to iPhone 4.

what kind of surprise is that? Free video calls? you can already do that on Android, or even Symbian, through Nimbuzz.
even phones without front camera can do video calls.
Yes, its undeniable that Appstore has more quality apps,
but as I already said in above, Appstore is more mature, also,
iOS only need to develop for one device, while Android has many different hardware to be supported,
hence why Android always get them slower.

Not saying Android is better or anything, but its not inferior either, you have to realize that both Android and iOS is different.
for instance, widgets and unlimited customizations, is something iOS will never have.

intuitive
the longer u get the phone
the laggier it became now
at first my iphone4 was so smooth
bt now
its laggin
n i just hav 3 pages only
compared that to the old iphone2 which i got around 7 to 8 pages

u r missin the point over at school kids to grandma
they dunno anythin much bout the iphone4
they get it cuz everyone is gettin it
its the new 'in' trend now
honestly
dun tell me they know how to operate the iphone4
the school kids will know
bt i doubt the grandmas will know

things just work
remember a few months back when i stood by iphone4
cuz tat time i didnt do much drastic mods to my x10
it was smooth n i was standin by it
fast forward to the present day
its more laggy than my x10

bout htc n galaxy s
i hav no comments as i dun own those phones
my frens own those
n witout much playin around wit those
i would not b givin my comments

yea
more choices do pwn no choices
i did agree wit tat part of urs
in ur previous post also
bt i get to the other point
not all of us will download watever apps tat is available there
certainly not all of it

sry but im not much of a gamer

more apps more variety
yup tat is so true

wit iphone4 i can download wat i wan on the spot
wit x10 i can download wat i wan on the spot

in ur reference
u pointed out to a guitar tuner
n a thesaurus
for the guitar im not sure since im not a guitar player
bt for the thesaurus part
android also got it

so wat exactly do u mean
when u say u can dl wat u wan on the iphone4 bt not on other platform

for now i dunno which market has more craps
since i dun hav the luxury of time to browse thru every single app to dl it n to test it out

so u r talkin bout how great iphone4 is
reality check

3g video calls were so last year
even a rm500+ phone can do 3g

I dun own both phone. for me, i will go for X10 instead of Iphone4. Iphone4 give me the impression is that this phone for gamers. and the reason ppl go for it, either coz of trend or maybe others. I vote for X10 becoz i wan a phone for my studies and also working area in future. IF I have enuff money, i may go for HTC Desire HD since the screen dam huge and everything better than X10.

Indeed, Iphone4 now is much better than SE X10 for most of the phone user. wat can i say is that i believe SE X10 will win iphone4 in future. besides, i heard my colleague said Iphone5 will be LAUNCH by next year February / March. I don't know whether it's true or not.

This post has been edited by alex890628: Dec 19 2010, 09:47 AM

most ppl get iphone because of Apps. after that only because of trend. u know, the cool factor when u said u got an iphone, compared to your friend who mention, he/she got a HTC desire (ppl will ask, what d hel is that?) my 2cent

You are buying now n you are not buying future. Future everything can happen n IPhone could just become better n better . So all comparison must be made current!

what i said is about current. that's y i vote for X10. actually it's depends on how u use, for me is studies and working, so i chose X10. For you guys are gamer, wan the apps & wan follow the trend then you go for iphone4. In my mind, X10 lose to iphone4 coz the screen is 65k Color (X10) and 16m (Iphone4) and X10 dun have multitouch. other than that, X10 rocks

you're even dumber to not even understand what the hell i was saying

yeah what i meant was iP users gets attention from people, an illusion of social status, sorry for not writing them in full, i assume everyone has at least IQ of 90

This post has been edited by Aurai: Dec 19 2010, 05:37 PM

FYI X10 will be getting multitouch soon with the next update

First of all, it's not my fault that you are semi-illiterate and cannot even express yourself properly with words.

Check your first post. You clearly said: "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status". No mention of "attention" or "illusion". Just "social status". Those are totally different things. So if you are the moron who cannot even write properly, don't go around trying to insult other people, yea?

Anyhow, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's just assume that you simply didn't "write things in full". Let me try to fix your statement for you.

1. "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the [attention]"

This is still stupid. As someone mentioned, Iphones are so damn common nowadays and 9 out of 10 screens that are lit up in a cinema before a movie starts are Iphones. What's there to pay attention to if someone is holding phone that's so common? Either way, it's just a phone. So please clarify if you can. Otherwise, it's just a really stupid statement made by you. But perhaps you meant something else, like

2. "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the [illusion of social status]"

Again, this is stupid. Go run naked down Bukit Bintang area. I'm sure you'll get hell a lot of attention. Hundreds of people will be staring at you. You might even make it to the 7 o'clock news on TV. Does that somehow give you "an illusion of social status"? No, it just makes you look stupid.

Or let me give you another example. I went to a Boost juice kiosk yesterday, and saw one of the worker playing with her Iphone. Did I get the "illusion" that she has some kind of special "social status"? No. I doubt anyone will. Because she's just a kiosk worker earning less than MYR 2k a month. What illusion? What social status?


So you see, even giving you the benefit of the doubt, no matter how I try to fix your statement, you still come across sounding stupid. Just face it. You are either A. a moron who cannot write properly but want to blame others for it, or B. a sheep who somehow thought that IP4 = high class. Most probably both.

Do everyone here a favour and stop wasting everyone's bandwidth with more of your nonsense, yea?

According to this http://www.malaysianbroadband.info/nokia-r...g-mobile-phone/ not even half a person (0.4 to be exact) out of 10 people in a cinema uses an iPhone. You seem to resort to a lot of name-calling based on assumptions alone. Grow up.

I don't understand . If you're mentioning about app counts, it's there. Anyhow.. just drop this.

I'm using my 3gs for a year now. Lag, yes, it's obvious during spotlight search when you have loads of apps, songs, phone book, recipient, etc. Other than that, it works like fluid. I'm hitting the max 22 page. Still running smooth. What i suspect yours is due to massive load of apps on the background. Try checking though or re-setup your notifications. So far, I've yet heard users rant on slow experience. Well my parents whom have no sense of technology navigates well on iphone interface than on old nokia. I would say simplicity. While the old keypad types needs D pad navigation, new phones which rolls up icons with touch interface which are much easier to learn. On ratio, games released on iphones have better market than utilities or productivity apps. It's just ratio, which people still accounts. There's alot of games cause... the number of apps available is big? I myself isn't a gamer, most of the time, games are just there to kill some time off when I need to queue up or waiting for someone. What our fellow friend addresses apps which are not available on other platforms are like 'word lens' 'ARdefender' 'irig' and much more. MOST apps in the apps stores are available in android, But I wouldn't say all. Yes, for thesaurus portion, android do offer such apps, but what our fellow friend here highlights is the choices of named thesaurus to choose from. Iphone cannot do 3g video calls. They can only do face time, unless you install 3rd party apps. Lets ignore the 3g portion, cause when iphone didn't had video calls, people whack the phone as if it was a trash. When other phone manufacturers drop the 3g function, you don't see people making a fuss out of it.

reality check, Iphone is great? No, the app and the OS is. If they do not charge everything, it would be great. But somehow, every single app would cost a dime.


Well, it's up to individual perspective. I've seen people working with ipads, typing emails and letters on the spot during audit visits. It depends on how a person make use technology. You can give a pc to a kid, for good, he would learn and do research, if not, he would just play games with it.

Win or not you can always go to the search function and search keyword "Iphone Killer". Check and interpret the data. If you ask me, the phone that really does have the potential of knocking off iphone was Google's proprietary nexus one. Google has been maintaining the latest OS to work well on this phone, and not letting it become obsolete. As for other manufacturer's its always sell sell sell, if it needs update, just a couple of OS updates will do wonders in clearing off excess units off the stock/shelves.


Sorry, it's either a personal view or fanboy. High screen contrast does not show superiority. Take Samsung wave. It has the OMG%^&SUPER^*&AMOLED screen, but it's still a petit in the cellular industry as BADA's rate of growth is slow. Samsung Galaxy S on the other hand would be a better device, just need to live with the lack of flash for camera.

Nice statistic, Where's HTC? I'm sure Nokia, Samsung and LG has paid a big sum for publicity. Either way, the stats shows a clear indication. That the TOP 3 manufacturers need to roll out various new models each quarter to ensure a high quarterly revenue. Plus with the wide range of models, they've managed to capture all range of consumer, be it the budget ones, or the geeky. Two models vs an army models of phone, you be the judge. Even RIM has a impressive & realistic figures if you ask me.


Folks, It would be best to compare between users and manufacturers. If user wins, manufacturers will tailor make or release better updates to suit the consumers needs. If Manufacturers win, consumers will be tied to a endless loop on buying a newer phone. Don't get pin down to be their slave, be the king as you have the cash to make the decision. Once you've make your right choice, don't go defame others on picking other models. Instead, perform a constructive comparison, not picking on a fight. Just some word of advise as I see the debate is heating up.

nice reply
about the apps count
i agree to drop it
gettin confusin

i jump from iphone2 to iphone4
skippin 3g n 3gs
n nvr went till the max pages
cause im not a gamer

bout my iphone4 lag
its used as a secondary phone
so bout facebook n such
notifications all were turned off
mayb its somethin wit the phone itself
a hardware defect mayb

the debate is heatin up
bt comin from someone who owns both phone
which is btr in my hands tat is the one im supportin the most

i think the last time ppl ask about x10 n iphone4
i mention iphone4 is witout lag
cause tat time
my x10 on 1.6 is laggy while my iphone4 is smooth
bt now
my x10 is smooth while iphone4 laggy

bt from the general view
havin an iphone equals some social status
tat is the general prespective
even though iphone is gettin common

First of all, I think I made it pretty clear that I was paraphrasing another poster in this thread on the "9 out of 10" statement. Here, I'll even find the original post for you:

"No offense but in the cinemas, before the show starts, 9 out of 10 lit screens are iPhones.

Too common if you ask me."

Page 2, comment by Vince1991.

And secondly, there is no mention of anything about iphones and cinema goers in the link you provided? Did you post the wrong reference link by mistake? Or were you simply trying to mislead?

As for the name calling part, so it was ok for him to be the first one to throw an insult, but when other people retaliate, they need to "grow up"? What are you? His backside buddy coming to his defense?

Also maybe you didn't notice, but I am not the one making assumptions. The person who said "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status" is. It was a lousy assumption, I pointed out it, and he seems to have taken offense. And that, is what is going on.

So, lesson for you, at least get your bearings right and know what is going on before you start butting in on other people's discussion, yea?

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Added on December 21, 2010, 1:17 pm
Just a slight comment, but I'm not sure, I don't think there was ever an Iphone2? It was just the Iphone, and then the Iphone 3G?

This goes a full circle back to your "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status" statement.

Really, I'm curious. What kind of social status does an Iphone confer on its holder?

And you claim that this is the general perspective. By who? Seems like it's just you who is somehow having this fantasy of the Iphone giving its user some kind of social status.

Like I said, that worker in that Boost Juice kiosk had an Iphone. So she has kind of social status because of her Iphone?

And what about the sales "manager" of my previous company, whose daily job includes going to our client's office and sitting in their pantry and bug them until she could sell some of our product to them. I suppose she has some special social status too, because she holds an Iphone?

Anyhow, you go ahead and choose to go on living with this little Iphone fantasy of yours. I just realized that it's not really anyone's loss.

You, Sir, are in fact the perfect market for the Iphone. Please stick with it, and make sure that you are the first in the line when the Iphone5 comes out. Wouldn't want to miss out of the social status now, would you?

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 21 2010, 01:38 PM

just get iphone 4. even android 2.2 device still catch up to iphone 4, se x10 is only 1.6.

Figures talk and bullshit walks. Like I said, grow up

This post has been edited by mode893: Dec 21 2010, 03:41 PM

Like I said, get your bearings right. Don't butt in to a discussion with no knowledge of what is going on. You do realize that by posting that flame bait in your previous post, you sound more like a troll than anything, right?

And figures? What figures?

Like I said, the link you supplied is a report on Nokia's market position compared to other phone makers. No mention of "not even half a person (0.4 to be exact) out of 10 people in a cinema uses an iPhone" as claimed by you. A report about a phone makers' market share has no direct relevance to how many people sitting in a cinema uses a certain phone. So you do realize that it looks like you are trying to mislead people, right?

And even if we give you all the benefit of the doubt. Even if assuming that what you said is totally true, there is still the question of why you are addressing this to me. Again, like I said, I was paraphrasing someone else. If you have an issue with the stats, take it up with the original poster, don't waste my bandwidth.

If you care to clarify, by all means go ahead. If you don't, then what is the point of posting this one liner? Further trolling?

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 21 2010, 04:04 PM

yea its my bad
its just the iphone n not the iphone2 as u pointed out
my bad really

ok back to ur splendid reply
wat goes back a full circle to me?
u make it seems like im the one tat coin tat statement

the poster goes by the name of Aurai
page 1
post 10

were u tryin to mislead ppl into thinkin tat statement was made by me
well
mayb as u pointed out
u r not the one makin assumptions
since clearly u r the one thinkin of assumptions too much
csi or any drama u watch lately havin an influence on ur mind?
well then
i doubt u r payin much attention anyway
u r not the one callin out the insults?
in my case
well it seems tat u r the one as i will point out later

as i pointed out
its the general perspective n view
are u the one who dictate wat is the general view or not
u should know everyone has a mind of their own
are u here to dictate wat is the general thinkin everyone should have

back to ur insults
wat is tis u r sayin bout my iphone fantasy
were u even readin then only post as a reply or comment
or just speed readin then make ur lil assumptions
i was nvr proud of my iphone4
i was nvr sayin i need to hav an iphone in my life
or is it u r still butt hurtin from everyone in ur social circle havin one bt not u

if u cant comprehend wat im tryin to say
then u should not even bother
u r just tryin to force ur points on ppl
it may work in ur dreams
or to the kids tat admire ur way of force talkin
bt not to me

mayb im gonna b in line for an iphone5
or mayb im not
i buy as i like
i use as i like
are u here to tell me wat to do

do u even hav an iphone4 n x10 to compare side by side
oh wait u dun
then how can u justify wat u hav said
its all in ur head

on the other hand
i hav both phones
so its from experience of usin both

do u hav those
tat do u think wat u said is actually accurate

u were talkin bout insults b then u r the one hurlin them out in my case
n sayin ppl were misquotin u
bt then u did the same thing

hav u been drinkin or smokin
grow up
tis world doesnt revolves around u

x10 is 2.1 currently

+1

u sure don't know anything.. X10 already updated to 2.1

btw, TS already make up his mind on X10 AFAIK. u guys should stop debating on which one is better etc. this will never end. different ppl got their own preferences. TQ

for me also iphone 4

Lol. Ever considered anger management class?

Go for Iphone4

Sorry FallenOut, I have to edit your post because otherwise it'd be too long for me to quote in its entirety. As usual, I'll leave the main points untouched.

And you're right, you didn't say "the extra rm600 you pay for iP4 based on specs is for the social status". I quoted the wrong statement in my previous post. But doesn't matter, because everything I said was and is still valid, as will be shown below.


Wow, contradict yourself much?

You are the one who stated that "bt from the general view havin an iphone equals some social status tat is the general prespective". And now you are also the one asking "u should know everyone has a mind of their own are u here to dictate wat is the general thinkin everyone should have".

So first, you say this is the general view like it's a fact. Then you say, no, actually no one can dictate what is the general view.

Wow, I'm sorry, you are right, I don't understand what you are trying to say.



Uhm, did I ever say that you claimed to be proud of your iphone4? Did I ever say that you claimed to need the iphone4?

So who's the one doing the speed reading here? So who's the one making the "lil assumptions" here?

You said "havin an iphone equals some social status". FACT.

I asked "Really, I'm curious. What kind of social status does an Iphone confer on its holder?" FACT.

In other words, you made an assertion, I asked a valid question in response. FACT.

And instead of addressing my question, you seemed to have taken offense and went on a ranting spree. All these talk about CSI dramas and drinking and smoking and what not in your loooooong post is just a waste of bandwidth.

If you can justify your statement, go ahead, make your points clearly and concisely, we're all listening, no need for theatrics. If you cannot, then just go away and stop posting a whole essay trying to confuse everyone, because it won't help you.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 11:49 amNo, not really. I'm not the one who needs to post flame baits and meaningless one-liners in an online forum as an outlet for the angst issues in his life.

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 22 2010, 12:05 PM

Having so much fun with you right now I mean who else replies a 'meaningless' one liner with 25 lines

This post has been edited by mode893: Dec 22 2010, 03:23 PM

You really need a life.You are hopeless

You know, several posts back, when I first saw your post, I thought we'd have a good discussion on our hands, since here was someone who looked like he can present his case intelligently, backed up with statistics too.

But several posts later, this is what you are reduced to. Counting the number of lines in my posts. That's so typical, yea? When caught in a corner with nothing to say, start with the one line babbles in an attempt divert attention and trivialize everything. Sad, but very typical.

If this is the best you can do, then I have no more use for you. At least guys like Aurai and FallenOut tries to make a coherent case for themselves. Have a good life.

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Added on December 22, 2010, 5:10 pmThank you so much for this information?

This post has been edited by clutch31: Dec 22 2010, 05:14 PM

Awww...too bad the feeling's not mutual. But on the bright side, 6 lines only now, I have taught you well

How to save sent messages on an Iphone 4 and reuse it later for resend?

ask in iphone thread. http://forum.lowyat.net/iPhone

Sorry FallenOut, again, your post is just too long for me to quote.

Let me propose something here. If you ever read this post of mine, take a deep breathe, calm down, and count to 10. Then reread my posts. Or don't if you don't want to, I'll summarize everything here for you.

You claim that having the Iphone is equivalent of having some social status. Ok, so my question is then very simple: What social status? If you still cannot grasp this very simple question, let me elaborate.

Are you trying to say that having an Iphone shows that a person is richer and thereby having social status?

Or are you trying to say that having an Iphone shows that a person is trendy and thereby having social status?

Or are you trying to say that having an Iphone shows that a person is intelligent and thereby having social status?

Which one is it? If none of the above, then tell me what exactly are you trying to say? What is this social status that you are talking about? This is my main point in all my posts, and till now, you still have not managed to come up with an answer. All you do is go on talking about things like CSI dramas.

If you are able and willing to explain what this so-called social status that you are talking about is and show me how it is conferred to someone by an Iphone, then by all means, enlighten me, I'm all ears.

If not, then what else is there to say?

hehhe... good debate.....this is how i see it...
since most of the reply are mostly based on hware spec etc.. i'll point out my view from a different angle...

Android Vs IO4 = Democracy Vs Control Freak

Google says = "Evryone can do wat ever u want with your phone...no limitation.. we'll provide u a platform so evryone can play with it...no strings attach"

Apple says = "everyone must follow what we say... what we sell to you is what u'll get..dont change anything...if we say IP4 is cool, u say its cool....btw, put the rubber bumper around the phone to improve signal, dont touch it by any means... otherwise, just put the phone on the table, and use speaker phone instead... dont say we didnt warn you"

then a potential IP buyer ask Apple >> does that mean I can only use Itunes to work with my music collections? how am i supposed to share data with others? I can at least use Bluetooth, rite ? No?? or at least give us removable memory card.. battery ?? my own mp3 ringtone?? ayoo.. why this cannot, that cannot?? Android can do all that ma.. why cant you??

then with a robotic voice, Apple users report back to HQ : ok master.. if u say i cannot customise my homescreens, thats ok.. cos ur my master... ur always right... i don't need to share files between phones, even between other IPs out there....and i will always use Itunes.. and i will pay for all the app from appstore... i dont need variety in my life..

I nearly bought an IP before a friend of mine using Nexus told me bout android... what a saviour.. i never looked back ... IOS is soooo yesterday..
In my case, i dont like being told what i can or cannot do.. thats why i go for Android....thats the real discussion should be... not hardware comparison...
and it happens to be X10 is sooooo sexy (cosmetic wise), i chose X10 for my first android... some limitation are mainly OS related, which will be rectified with OS updates.. it might be late, but its just the matter of time....

after i was fiddling around with my friend IP4 for the whole day, it drained his battery out.. i must say, Ip4 has an edge design with its front n back glass cover, nice display and smaller screen....but it is soo fragile.. one drop could mean rm800 down the drain to replace the crack glass cover....
and the rubber bumper ruins it all... not to mention the flat surface.. my palm so reluctant to agree that holding an ip4 is comfortable...

nonetheless, there are lots of people who would still support Apple despite all the flaws and limitation.. maybe Apple figured out a way to convince people subconciously...buy me.. buy me....ehhe... expensive phones means the best phone... (yeah right)....

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 23 2010, 11:11 AM

Very nice comparison between Android and iOS, above. And it's true, Android > iOS.

But not everyone is into having to mod or customize their phones in order to enjoy it. Some people, a lot of people, want something that just works, right out of the box, with minimal fuss.

And so in that aspect IP4 > x10, I believe.

Now, if we're talking about some other Android phone, say HTC Desire, that would be a different story.

IPhone.. i also agree.. simple to use.. but that doesnt mean an Android is hard to use...

take for example, a normal user would need to make calls, sms, FB, twitt, IE browsing, youtube, google search and maps..
(wait, thats way too much for a basic usage)... which an android can also provide out of the box without any customisation... and still the price is reasonable low...

which still kept me thinking.. why la spend so much buying IPhone? why have to follow majority of people to turn left, when you can also turn right and reach the destination with less money spent?? in the end, u'll also end up making calls, receive sms, browse IE, Twittt, FB'ing, play games etc...

maybe it is social status... its like tellin people subconciously, I have a most expensive phone out there, how bout you?? or maybe not... a very subjective topic to be discussed...

+1

or just maybe IPhone was first in the market to provide an icon base interface (kudos to them for their invention), that until today, most of the people that owns an Iphone are used to its limitation ...

over time, Iphone users simply forgot all the other functionality such as bluetooth files transfer, mp3 files, extenal memory card that was taken away from them.. this basic features have been in the market way before Iphone came..

well, i guess its time to wake up boys... the grass is also green on the other side of the fence...they even have flowers too...