hehhe... good debate.....this is how i see it...
since most of the reply are mostly based on hware spec etc.. i'll point out my view from a different angle...

Android Vs IO4 = Democracy Vs Control Freak

Google says = "Evryone can do wat ever u want with your phone...no limitation.. we'll provide u a platform so evryone can play with it...no strings attach"

Apple says = "everyone must follow what we say... what we sell to you is what u'll get..dont change anything...if we say IP4 is cool, u say its cool....btw, put the rubber bumper around the phone to improve signal, dont touch it by any means... otherwise, just put the phone on the table, and use speaker phone instead... dont say we didnt warn you"

then a potential IP buyer ask Apple >> does that mean I can only use Itunes to work with my music collections? how am i supposed to share data with others? I can at least use Bluetooth, rite ? No?? or at least give us removable memory card.. battery ?? my own mp3 ringtone?? ayoo.. why this cannot, that cannot?? Android can do all that ma.. why cant you??

then with a robotic voice, Apple users report back to HQ : ok master.. if u say i cannot customise my homescreens, thats ok.. cos ur my master... ur always right... i don't need to share files between phones, even between other IPs out there....and i will always use Itunes.. and i will pay for all the app from appstore... i dont need variety in my life..

I nearly bought an IP before a friend of mine using Nexus told me bout android... what a saviour.. i never looked back ... IOS is soooo yesterday..
In my case, i dont like being told what i can or cannot do.. thats why i go for Android....thats the real discussion should be... not hardware comparison...
and it happens to be X10 is sooooo sexy (cosmetic wise), i chose X10 for my first android... some limitation are mainly OS related, which will be rectified with OS updates.. it might be late, but its just the matter of time....

after i was fiddling around with my friend IP4 for the whole day, it drained his battery out.. i must say, Ip4 has an edge design with its front n back glass cover, nice display and smaller screen....but it is soo fragile.. one drop could mean rm800 down the drain to replace the crack glass cover....
and the rubber bumper ruins it all... not to mention the flat surface.. my palm so reluctant to agree that holding an ip4 is comfortable...

nonetheless, there are lots of people who would still support Apple despite all the flaws and limitation.. maybe Apple figured out a way to convince people subconciously...buy me.. buy me....ehhe... expensive phones means the best phone... (yeah right)....

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 23 2010, 11:11 AM

IPhone.. i also agree.. simple to use.. but that doesnt mean an Android is hard to use...

take for example, a normal user would need to make calls, sms, FB, twitt, IE browsing, youtube, google search and maps..
(wait, thats way too much for a basic usage)... which an android can also provide out of the box without any customisation... and still the price is reasonable low...

which still kept me thinking.. why la spend so much buying IPhone? why have to follow majority of people to turn left, when you can also turn right and reach the destination with less money spent?? in the end, u'll also end up making calls, receive sms, browse IE, Twittt, FB'ing, play games etc...

maybe it is social status... its like tellin people subconciously, I have a most expensive phone out there, how bout you?? or maybe not... a very subjective topic to be discussed...

or just maybe IPhone was first in the market to provide an icon base interface (kudos to them for their invention), that until today, most of the people that owns an Iphone are used to its limitation ...

over time, Iphone users simply forgot all the other functionality such as bluetooth files transfer, mp3 files, extenal memory card that was taken away from them.. this basic features have been in the market way before Iphone came..

well, i guess its time to wake up boys... the grass is also green on the other side of the fence...they even have flowers too...

update for X10 in first quarter of 2011...just near the corner....
but if multitouch is a big concern and u need to get a phone before christmas, then other android phone are more than capable...try nexus or galaxy..

IMHO, like all other numerous limitations that an Iphone have (as i have stated earlier), i can leave without multitouch on my X10 (for the moment..)
and even if its available after the OS update, i can only see myself using multitouch to zoom in and out of a webpage and and pic...
by that time, i can tell my frens > look guys... i can zoom in and out .... walaweyyy... so advance... i can do this all day.. in out in out...heheh... is it really that important to have multitouch??

for gaming pusposes... wait till the Xperia Game phone comes out.. a mix between PSP and Xperia.. haha.. now thats what i call a phone well design for gaming... who needs multitouch when u have a slideout joypad??

some might think its social status related.. but i see it as a good head start by apple in the smartphone race... they were there first.. and got hold of the market... thats when the trend started.. and other phone maker were struggling to keep up with symbian and all...
and IPhone ads was pretty cool too...all screen, no key pad, slide gesture, ipod, huge appstore.. very canggih one...who wouldnt want to buy it??
even a makcik pantry in my office knows bout iphone and how good the phone is.. but when i mentioned Android.. she say "HUH?? apa tuh?!?!"

to those who doesn't really keep up with technology updates, would still think an Iphone is the best, cos they see a lot of their friend out there using it..so it should be the best phone... its like monkey see, monkey do kinda thing.. not evryone out there have access to this info like we do..
i was one of the monkey , until my friend introduced me with Android.. and it really opened up my eyes...and my judgement to go Android was unbiased.. i never own an Iphone, so we can put aside the "brand loyal" factor ... my mind was fresh to choose either one...

Iphone maybe a great phone, but it is surely not the best option for me..
but if the price is right (i like paying cash), maybe or just maybe i'd get an IPhone.. but still, after been playing around with both Android and IOS4, i'd still choose Android..

anyway, one good reason why i like Android cos it can do this...

screen preview, and jump to whatever homescreen I want.



then my default homescreen can be customised to how i feel is right...i can have them full of widget today, and empty the next day...
brightness adjustment, wifi toggle, bluetooth toggle etc at the frontpage for fast switching..



and have a ready widget to show FB status, twitter and etc, all in one place...



and place my favorit contact in such a way....



This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 23 2010, 03:16 PM

haha.. she's married and recently delivered her first child...
out of reach.. a friend maybe can la...

correct... hehe... even i an chose to go the Android way, i still salute Apple for giving us the iOS in the first place...

anyway, hav u guys ever tought if all things are the other way around? Android came out first, and iOS came out just recently.. i wonder if people would hate Apple cos giving so much limitation... its all bout setting the mindset of the consumer i think..

old saying, 'melentur buluh, biarlah dr rebung nya".....and Apple did just right by steppin in early...

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 24 2010, 08:04 AM

in general, yes.. this is normal.. Iphone has been the benchmark...

but lets open up our perspective and comments.. lets compare spec by spec and see who has the upper hand?

Hardware availabilty (Android has many, iOS4 has 1 only... = user have choice, can choose watever hware they want)
Android-1, iOS-0
Battery (Android-replaceable, iOS-non)
Android-2, iOS - 0
External memory card (Android-yes upgradable at any time, iOS-fixed)
Android-3, iOS-0
Display (Android has Amoled (samsung), iOS- retina)
consider a tie
Music player (Android-many, iOS-Itunes only)
Android-4, iOS-0
multitasking (Android-Yes, iOS-cleverly masked ...try to run GPS navigation or IE browsing while playing music at the backround)
Android -5 , iOS - 0
Application (android-Market, iOS-Appstore... Appstore has more since it started wayyy earlier)
Android-5, iOS - 1 (for now)
screen size- Android bigger, iOS smaller
Android-6, iOS-1
file sharing (android-yes, iOS-limited)
Android-7, iOS-1
customisation - Android-Yes, iOS-NO
Android-8, iOS-1

so can any of Iphone user help me list out all the winning point of iOS a.k.a Iphone that i may have overlook..sorry, i dont have an iPhone, so i wouldnt know much in detail..just a hands on experience fiddling about my friends Iphone...
and i would really love to see if someone can prove me wrong...i would definitely accept my defeat, gracefully

clutch...
yes.. now .. but the trend has been set years back like u said, as when an iphone is considered a luxury item due to its price... but sadly as it may seems, people may still thinks that way despite the easy installment scheme bank and telco provides.. yes, that mind set would probably fade away slowly since Android and Windows has join the smartphone race too, but the status of owing the most expensive phone is still there.. its an Apple ma.. they have MacBook Pro.. so seductive.. evryone wants it.. but not evryone can afford it... so next best thing would be an Iphone i guess..it has an Apple logo on it...that must count for something, rite??

try to think, why would you really buy a phone with a high price tag, lots of shortcomings and limitation, nice design but a very fragile glass cover, bad aerial design which must be covered with rubber bumper for it to work properly, where at the same time, you can get the same one, or in some cases, even better hardware spec with a lower price... why?? oh why??

is it becos Apple says its the best? Maxis says its the best? Other people says so?? I would have to agree, it is among the best..
but there can never be ONE badass phone out there...
the bestest phone to a person depends on how he defines best... its very subjective...

but even if IP4 runs on an Android, I wouldnt want too have it due the the flaws i mentioned earlier..
and back to our original topic, the real reason why i bought Xperia X10 in the end... not just becos it runs on android, but the hardware seems to suits my usage and needs better... its not that i hate Iphone.. i love them.... but in this round Xperia wins...

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 24 2010, 02:34 PM

great... now we all agree that the ip4 is a fragile piece of luxury item... dont get me wrong bro..im not a hardcore fan of android, only a normal user who happen to hav the chance to step back and see the whole truth before i decide to buy one... not becos some1 told me what to buy.. and im dare enough to try someting new (Android), and not follow the usual (Iphone)

like i said, i never hated it ... i love it, until Android came in the picture.... and Iphone is not as great as it was..
and yes, i do admit x10 flaws- doesnt have multitouch yet (but others do) and .. and..hmm... what else??... or yes.. the comfortable curved plastic cover which requires me less time worryin bout it to break.. its kinda cheap looking.. dont u think?

and the price tag.. so cheap.. no class .... in fact, one ip4 can buy two X10... but the beauty is, if i get the x10, i can spend the other half to pay my house loan.. or go travel- Korea maybe??... or....get my self a 32gb Itouch.. still running on iOS, has appstore, itunes... 2 for the price of one... X10 and Itouch... best of both world....come to think of it, yea.. why not?

btw, if you really want an honest judgement, read back a few pages.. our fellow forumer FaLLENOUT own both phone, x10 and ip4.. what a lucky guy..
read it yourself... he somehow finds that X10 is much more reliable and worth buying...

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Added on December 24, 2010, 11:15 pmi totally agree... Android is not matured as iOS4, yet.. but when it does, i would love to see how Apple handles it... cant wait...

btw,livewallpaper, setcpu, overclocking, taskkiller is made available on android becos Google wants to give its user the freedom to play around...
for iOS4, need to long press, wait 4 it to wiggle, then click on the red dot...one by one..... ayooo... quite annoying...taskkiller, 1 click, frees up all memory....

til then, i'll redo my homescreen with different look tonight.. got bored with the same homescreen for the past 3 days.. by tomorrow its gonna be a whole new phone.. .like changing a t-shirt why?? cos i simply can...

This post has been edited by abundai: Dec 25 2010, 01:00 AM

so if an Iphone is like a beemer... a rich man's car some would say...
i guess an Android is like a fully souped up Japanese Nissan 350z, big turbine, programmable ECU's, TEIN AVCS shock etc..
maybe cheaper than a beemer in standard form, but after having all those mods, sure can smoke a standard beemer anytime...

so pick ur choice.. smoke or get smoked??