its actually called Shipped Knocked Down SKD as oppose to Completely Knock Down CKD

I'm not talking about the built quality or parts reliability. It is about the price, why Naza Forte is cheaper than the rest of the C-segment cars (excluding local marques). I know about the so-called 'semi-CBU' of Naza Forte but again that's not my point. It is declared as CKD and people pay for it at CKD price. However, Toyota Altis and Honda Civic are also CKD but more expensive. Naza Forte being CKD-ed is certainly NOT the reason why it's cheaper.

That is what I'm trying to say.

This post has been edited by Pogostik: Nov 15 2010, 10:37 PM

dear mr.pogo its cheaper cause KOREANs are very cost effective at doing things even more so than JAPANESE! and T & H CKD here cost savings were not passed down to consumers thats why lo... they can if they wanted to but who's gonna feed those well connected vendors???

Proton is expensive because they need to take care of their well-connected suppliers who supply cheap parts at jacked up prices. Kia on the other hand have better cost management than most Japanese companies. They used existing parts and tooling to reduce cost.

For new Altis, I believe it is 100% CBU from Thailand. The current Civic 1.8 and 2.0 is fully CKD in Melaka. Why is it expensive? U gotta ask the Honda for that. I believe Honda always put themselves as premium brand unlike Naza or Proton. Walk into any Honda showroom and look how the sales people treat u. With respect and well attended to. Toyota also does the same but at a much smaller scale.

This post has been edited by acbc: Nov 15 2010, 10:57 PM

KIA is riding on HYUNDAI software & hardware with own design thrown in much like VW - Audi - Skoda family parts sharing this makes them cost effective at the same time able to punch way above their league.....

Correct. Hyundai fork out money for the R&D and Kia just need to produce the designs. Simple as that. And Hyundai being the parent company will invest more money on money making models. They are doing what investors do best, spending money wisely.

U may go observing Singaporean more toward korean car ..
proton car in singapore, rarely see.. but hyundai and kia doing great there..

'a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks'
I cant stop u from thinking on that.. juz in case to let u know the H and T earn tons of porfit per car..
u can compared the H and T in Thailand..

Cheapest c segment car at B price doesnt mean its quality worst..
juz because of competitiveness in automobile industry,.
Frankly speaking , except H&T, becoz loyalty to these brand been established long time ago..
Ya.. one more thing, hyundai and kia doing great in US as well..

not becoz it cheaper its got high rating...so persona much cheaper should got 8.6?

now read here...now the compare 2011 version..mitsu lancer got some improvements...from 2x jump to 14...last time forte 2010 version got no 5...lancer 2010 rank 23....
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-...ble-Small-Cars/

The problem is not with kia or hyundai. The problem is with N@z@.

btw, u got bad experience with naza before?

huh u buying the car or the company?

Not me but 2 colleagues of mine who owned a ria and rio.
Rio - paint started to fade after 3-4years. Replacement part is very expensive
Ria - weird engine sound after 2 years. SC is bad, not able to rectify problem. Smore slow respond.

my father toyota rush battery just run out only after 2month bought...
my car, wira got some rust at the roof...

so can we said proton & toyota shit?
btw...inspira is good for its price...only one thing i don't like about this inspira...interior too plastic...huh

well said but nowaday, most cars are like that - vios, city, inspira etc. However, I found Nissan interior is not too plastic.

guys, i really think it is stupid to compare like that, just like many others said:

Inspira fanboi or lancer wannabe will go for insipira.
same goes to Forte.

test your ownself, at the end of the day, u yourself paid your own car.

If u really want to compare, please do it PROTON VS HYUNDAI or KIA being Malaysian vs Korean car manufacturer.

I take Proton vs Hyundai as an example.

Both started off at almost the same time, and has been in the market for about 25 fucukkk years!
Where is Proton now and where is Hyundai now in the market?

what kind of cars, design, performance and others has Proton provided?

look at their latest product - Inspira and Sonata.

design wise - it is just sebijik lancer! 99% look alike. To me, it is just a complete copy over or they claim it is rebadge or whatever shit, i dont care.
Proton CEO says R&D is very expensive and dont worth the money to do it, and hence, they collaborate with Mitsu to buy this LANCER design.
Bear in mind, this lancer model has been in the market for so long (min also 4-5 years) already. Ppl sell u old model, u guys get HYPED with it? and now ppl come out with their new sportsback model, another 5 yrs later? Inspira aeroback?

Look at Hyundai Sonata, from R&D to FINISHED PRODUCTS are all by KOREAN themselves. try comparing their design? dont even need to compare cars from different segment, oops, Hyundai are producing a higher segment cars than the SORRY Proton whereby they started off the same era?

Hyundai Sonata 2.0 Standard is only priced RM60k *(after conversion) in Korea, for a D-segment car.
At what price is this Proton Inspira 2.0 priced in malaysia? 90k?

Here the arguments arise again, why people could priced their NATIONAL CARS so cheaply in their HOMEGROWN?
why are we buying expensive NATIONAL CARS in our HOMEGROWN?

I Don't mind being patriotic and to buy Proton if Proton could deliver similar class products like Hyundai.

Just to FEED YOU some facts, a fresh undergraduate that works in Samsung earns an annual salary of KRW30,000,000 to KRW35,000,000. Yes, it is 30 Million Korean Won! which is equivalent to about RM100k annual income or RM9-10k monthly income. I chop my xxxx off if a fresh graduate here in Malaysia can earn that money.

I hereby attach 2 photos for you to check out their car prices, cars that you dont see in Malaysia. Forte Koup priced at KRW21M and K5 is priced at KRW 27M. compare their income and spending power then compare Malaysian fresh graduate annual income and spending power. annual income of RM30k? buy inspira 90k? need 3 full years 100% savings?





Off-topic abit, what Malaysian Brands has penetrated the world market?
A few of the world top brands are from Korea - Samsung, Hyundai, Kia and LG - they have successfully penetrated the world market.

In case if you do not know, please check out Kia K5, K7, their new sportage. Kia Korea
Samsung cars and Genesis.
and tell Proton those are the cars that they should produce instead of copying here and there, for instance, Inspira (which is 99% Lancer look-alike model) and has been running on the road for so many years, look at Sonata, their cars has a life cycle of 5 years. unlike Proton, Special edition, Limited Edition, Sports Edition, Merdeka Edition.

10 years later, Korean are well on top of us and we are no longger comparing to Korean, but we're comparing with Vietnamnese or Cambodian, let alone singaporean and korean.

No match comparing Malaysian vs Korean made.
A Phailed nation, even in many years to come.

Flame me as you wish~
Or tell me "if i dont like, I keluar" - Good job! This is the attitude that constitutes to the failure.

This post has been edited by tehoice: Nov 16 2010, 12:05 AM

Yes ,Korean cars are MUCH better than 100% Msian made cars,but still light years behind the Japs.

Since the Inspira has Jap DNA in it,it automatically makes it better than any Korean make.Korean cars are upcoming but still they lack that something to make it on par with Japs.Their designs are good,but in terms of engineering and technology,they are still way way behind the Japs.Just that you guys dont see it onie.You guys compare which car has better features like start stop button ,auto headlights..etc etc..


Jap will forever > Korean in terms of automotive engineering.Now thats a fact.

And I never trust any review especially from American websites,why? Cuz even Americans make crappy cars.SO yea how can you trust their reviews?

No matter how good the rating on the web,it still boils down to real life driving.

hmmm krs way behind japs? any model here offering maintenance free Gearbox yet? K5 & Sonata is already there..... same level with BMW & even Citroen has it.... Japs????? FYI koreans are not even bothered about japs they heading straight for USA & EURO levels!

and why you keep bashing your car (NHC) at city's thread?
japs technology your @$$. hahahaha

n00b asking questions....
Forte are everywhere....in Langkawi cheaper!
I seen forte with Langkawi plates, with langkawi driver(owner), service at Alor Setar SC....
guess wat...he's the 1st person who booked Forte in Kedah!! 3 mths b4 lauched, ald booked....
Do they sell Forte in Langkawi??? my answer is YES!!!!

eh NHC guy, gd 2 hear that u hv chance 2 drive Forte 1.6 with ur frens, but complaining abt FC????
come on....i drove my Forte from Alor Setar to Tapah campsite, with 5 ppl, carrying loads of heavy luggages......
as i remembered, still got around distance 254KM to empty...dare 2 say???

admit u r a Forte basher...or korean brand basher....prove only say ur NHC or VIOS good.....
coz u owned 1......i would say u rather BRAINLESS!!
do research b4 u comment anything!!!!

TS.....test drive both cars, Inspira and Forte, so that u can choose ur future car.

Basically, wat i dun like abt Inspira :
1st. Spacious, but smaller than Forte.(some of my frens said, sitting in my Forte as sitting in a BMW 3 series!!)
2nd. Rebadge (that's 1 of the reason I dun like NAZA either)
3rd. Interior quality = not as good as Forte
4th. CVT GB : lots of ppl claimed that it's shifting gear is very smooth, but power wise....NAH!!!!!!
5th. A copycat of Lancer GT, copy it, lower the price.....oh...i din see TCS/ESC(Traction Control System/Electronic Stability Control) in Inspira, but in Lancer, got..I think....
6th. heard Lancer NVH not good, mayb Inspira worse
The only thing for me, Inspira good at is 1.8 Inspira vs. 1.6 Forte, 2.0 vs. 2.0, Forte wins!!!
Looks = Forte, Technology = Forte, Safety = Forte 2.0

Anything else u can say??? NHC guy a.k.a. Forte Basher

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Added on November 16, 2010, 1:14 amoh, forget to say....this is by Proton salesman themselves :

'' Memanglah Lancer lagi elok, harga pon dah RM 130 lebih kut. Proton saja tukar lambang jer, lagipon dashbox quality xleh fight dgn Lancer lah, kerana cut cost ma.....sama jg teknologi, Lancer ada TCS, ini xda. Keta ni utk org yg budjet2 jer...mungkin beli ada 'perasaan' Lancer"

this is from salesman themselves....i still remember they said like that
even they hate Inspira themselves....prefer persona/Gen2/BLM....proudly Malaysian...

This post has been edited by XionCity: Nov 16 2010, 01:15 AM

i stand by you this time round.