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post Jan 22 2011, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jan 22 2011, 06:04 PM)
Are you a malaysian chinese yourself?  I think you have the wrong perception here.

As I mentioned here why Astro introduced Wah Lai Toi when it was first launched back in year 1996 was because of the demand of cantonese programmes.  This channel is being outsourced to TVB for the programming and etc.   Past years, Astro introduced Hua Hee Tai due to the demand of hokkien programmes in Malaysia.  If you prefer Mandarin channels, there are plenty too., AEC, TVBS, CTI and etc.
I am sure Astro did an survey to see what's the most common Chinese dialect but unfortunately, I am sure they only conduct that survey in the Klang valley and came to the stupid conclusion that everybody in Malaysia understood Cantonese. If they have bothered to venture out of Klang value, they will find that there are other dialect being spoken. Ditto the politic whereby everybody must revolve around the Federal capital. Never mind what the other states may think.


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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jan 22 2011, 06:04 PM)
Cantonese programme is also dubbed in mandarin and other languages to cater for other speaking audiences too.  As you see, AOD now is showing in dual languages though the original language in the programmes/dramas are in cantonese.   I believe all of us prefer the programmes to be boardcast in the original language and with option in other languages too via dubbing.  Bettter if there is subtitles, in closed caption for other speaking audiences.
Now I have seen some old movies that was shown in the cinema in Mandarin. But when it was shown on Astro, it is in Cantonese. So there is no extra work to be done, both are available to Astro for the picking.

The fact is, Astro think just because the majority of people in Klang understood Cantonese, then all Malaysian Chinese understood Cantonese. To hell with the Hokkien, Hakka, Teochew, Foochow, Hainanese or whatever. Typical Malaysia Boleh way of doing things IMO. Malaysia know best. Singapore know nothing rclxub.gif

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post Jan 22 2011, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 22 2011, 07:22 PM)
I am sure Astro did an survey to see what's the most common Chinese dialect but unfortunately, I am sure they only conduct that survey in the Klang valley and came to the stupid conclusion that everybody in Malaysia understood Cantonese. If they have bothered to venture out of Klang value, they will find that there are other dialect being spoken. Ditto the politic whereby everybody must revolve around the Federal capital. Never mind what the other states may think.


Added on January 22, 2011, 7:26 pm

Now I have seen some old movies that was shown in the cinema in Mandarin. But when it was shown on Astro, it is in Cantonese. So there is no extra work to be done, both are available to Astro for the picking.

The fact is, Astro think just because the majority of people in Klang understood Cantonese, then all Malaysian Chinese understood Cantonese. Typical Malaysia Boleh way of doing things IMO  rclxub.gif
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There is nothing wrong about cantonese and mandarin programmes here. If the programmes are in original cantonese language and it should be shown on cantonese channels, like Wah Lai Toi. If the same programme going to show in Hua Hee Tai, then it can be dubbed in hokkien since it is a hokkien channel and have dual languages.

Chinese movies in malaysia cinemas are shown in their original language. So, you most likely won't watch them in a dubbed language. This is also the same for chinese movies in overseas cinemas. That's why chinese movies have chinese subtitles for other chinese audiences who like to watch the movies but may not be able to understand the movie language.

Wah Lai Toi is a cantonese channels and of course it will show mainly cantonese programmes. Wouldn't it be weird for WLT to show hokkien, mandarin programmes? Same like TVBS - mainly in mandarin. It will be weird to watch them showing cantonese programmes in TVBS.

If the old movies originally shown in Mandarin, I even watched some of them at celestial movies channels and they are shown in mandarin only and english/chinese subtitles. If the old movies are shown in Mandarin in cinema, how sure are you that the movie was not dubbed?

My point is that TVB is dominating the world chinese series and most of their programmes are in cantonese. So Astro shouldn't mix cantonese and mandarin programmes into 1 channel aka Zhi Zun HD. It will be better if WLT has a HD channel itself.


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post Jan 22 2011, 07:54 PM

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My friend told me when he 1st went to Hong Kong in the 70's, the taxi driver refuses to speak Mandarin. Just before HK went back to China and he was again in HK, the taxi driver spoke Mandarin without even asking.

I guess some people in Malaysia are still stuck in the 70's.


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post Jan 22 2011, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 22 2011, 07:54 PM)
My friend told me when he 1st went to Hong Kong in the 70's, the taxi driver refuses to speak Mandarin. Just before HK went back to China and he was again in HK, the taxi driver spoke Mandarin without even asking.

I guess some people in Malaysia are still stuck in the 70's.
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Astro is showing other non-cantonese channels. So, there are choices for ppl in Malaysia to view cantonese and non-cantonese chinese channels. It is the mandarin channels programmes are not as good quality as TVB hongkong programmes and it is the people choices to choose what to watch.

Same for Golden horse awards, nowadays it is very common to see hongkong movies, be in in cantonese or non-cantonese to grab most of the awards.

If those chinese mandarin programmes do buck up then they can attract more viewership. Even my indo maid prefers to watch cantonese programmes compared with mandarin programmes for a non-speaking chinese ppl.
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post Jan 22 2011, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jan 22 2011, 08:03 PM)
Astro is showing other non-cantonese channels.  So, there are choices for ppl in Malaysia to view cantonese and non-cantonese chinese channels.  It is the mandarin channels programmes are not as good quality as TVB hongkong programmes and it is the people choices to choose what to watch.

Same for Golden horse awards, nowadays it is very common to see hongkong movies, be in in cantonese or non-cantonese to grab most of the awards.

If those chinese mandarin programmes do buck up then they can attract more viewership.  Even my indo maid prefers to watch cantonese programmes compared with mandarin programmes for a non-speaking chinese ppl.
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Yes you are right. Singapore is wrong to promote Mandarin. Who cares about doing business with China.

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post Jan 22 2011, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 22 2011, 08:10 PM)
Yes you are right. Singapore is wrong to promote Mandarin. Who cares about doing business with China.
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There is no one language is superior than the other. Chinese in China are keen to learn English in order to communicate with the outside world. Many of them learnt English during the 2008 olympic period. Language is just a communication tool. Effective communication is very important to avoid mis-communication.

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post Jan 22 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jan 22 2011, 08:15 PM)
There is no one language is superior than the other.  Chinese in China are keen to learn English in order to communicate with the outside world.  Many of them learnt English during the 2008 olympic period.  Language is just a communication tool.  Effective communication is very important to avoid mis-communication.
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Yes, Cantonese is more useful worldwide for communication than Mandarin. Everybody should try learn Cantonese. Forget about Mandarin. As I say, Singapore is wrong in promoting Mandarin
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post Jan 22 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 22 2011, 08:20 PM)
Yes, Cantonese is more useful worldwide for communication than Mandarin. Everybody should try learn Cantonese. Forget about Mandarin. As I say, Singapore is wrong in promoting Mandarin 
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Chinese New Year we going to have HD channel (maybe temporary) on 338 on starting on 3 January 2011.


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post Jan 22 2011, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(wongsf @ Jan 22 2011, 10:45 PM)
Chinese New Year we going to have HD channel (maybe temporary) on 338 on starting on 3 January 2011.
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3 January? meaning already available?

I see Nothing at all?

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post Jan 22 2011, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Jan 22 2011, 11:16 PM)
3 January? meaning already available?

I see Nothing at all?
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I think he mean 3rd Feb (Chinese New Year) laugh.gif
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post Jan 22 2011, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(smileguy @ Jan 22 2011, 06:42 PM)
I support ur point here all chinese shld be united by one common language Mandarain and  all Indians  sld be united  by a common laguage Tamil.This fact has been accepted in Spore.Sad to say here as far Indians are concerned it is still NOT possible and they are against Tamil ! In spore  if u are Indian Muslim, Malayale or telugu (just like cantonese,Hokkien  etc ) u take tamil as second language ! brows.gif
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Nah...let's all unite under Bahasa Malaysia. better....right?
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post Jan 22 2011, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Jan 22 2011, 11:38 PM)
I think he mean 3rd Feb (Chinese New Year) laugh.gif
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or he mean 3 January 2010.
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post Jan 23 2011, 01:15 AM

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noob Qs here:

if i install PVR (just for recording) and no subscription to HD service, can i connect the decoder to my tv (it's HD ready) using a HDMI cable?

if not what's the best connection?

heard that using component is good? what brand or type to use + price smile.gif
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post Jan 23 2011, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(csang26 @ Jan 23 2011, 01:15 AM)
noob Qs here:

if i install PVR (just for recording) and no subscription to HD service, can i connect the decoder to my tv (it's HD ready) using a HDMI cable?

if not what's the best connection?

heard that using component is good? what brand or type to use + price smile.gif
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nope.. try component,.,. the one astro provided should do the trick
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post Jan 23 2011, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(l_berd @ Jan 23 2011, 01:26 AM)
nope.. try component,.,. the one astro provided should do the trick
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oh meaning to say astro will provide component cables instead of composite?
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QUOTE(lapaq @ Jan 22 2011, 11:54 PM)
Nah...let's all unite under Bahasa Malaysia. better....right?
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We've got a fantastic debate regarding channel programming and language used..I give my respect to everyone who gave their opinions..the only sad point is, does Astro even care bout the issue? They dont even know there is such a debate out here..they are all in their on world of theirs.. innocent.gif
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post Jan 23 2011, 06:57 AM

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QUOTE(lapaq @ Jan 22 2011, 11:54 PM)
Nah...let's all unite under Bahasa Malaysia. better....right?
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Yes Boss !! nod.gif Lets make peace icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(smileguy @ Jan 23 2011, 06:57 AM)
Yes Boss !! nod.gif Lets make peace icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 23 2011, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(lapaq @ Jan 22 2011, 11:54 PM)
Nah...let's all unite under Bahasa Malaysia. better....right?
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Someone said "There is no one language is superior than the other. "

Therefore,
instead of English, more program should be in Welsh.
instead of Tamil, more program should be in Bengali
instead of Mandarin, more program should be in Cantonese
or instead of Bahasa Malaysia, more program should be in Kelantanese.

I do not see any logic in that.



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