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post Dec 14 2010, 05:00 PM

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still no news on filco yet?

hard to determine blue switch sound at digital expo. i put my ear next to the key still feel the sound is light
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i still waiting for red switch filco that some one said it's coming to malaysia
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SteelSeries 6Gv2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard

Benchmark Reviews has tested all sorts of gaming peripherals in the past, today we are taking an in depth look at the SteelSeries 6Gv2 mechanical Gaming Keyboard. The 6Gv2 is the little brother of the 7G and does away with some of the unnecessary features of an already basic gaming keyboard and for a good reason too, the 7G is a little on the expensive side. The 6Gv2 does away with the USB hub, the audio ports and the wrist rest. The price is still a little high at $99.99 but it is certainly better than the price of the 7G, essentially the 6Gv2 is a stripped down version so lets see if it's worth your hard earned cash.

Just like the SteelSeries 7G, the 6Gv2 sports a rigid metal inner chassis for extreme strength and each key is an individual 18 karat gold plated and spring loaded mechanical switch which are guaranteed for 50 million presses and provide excellent tactile and audible feedback. The anti-ghosting system allows for as many simultaneous key presses as there are keys on the keyboard when you use the supplied PS/2 adapter, if you connect the 6Gv2 to your PC via USB the anti-ghosting only works for up to eight keys at a time.





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SteelSeries 6Gv2 Final Thoughts

I would like to use this section to express a view about a trend that has been steadily evolving, I hope a lot of others may share my views about the subject, and that is products that are designed for gamers. To kick start this viewpoint we need to rewind time a little, back to the days before the likes of SteelSeries, Razer, Choixx and Roccat etc ever made gaming peripherals. What were people using to play games before these companies created their revolutionary 'must have' devices?? A short answer is anything that they could get their hands on. Before the days of optical or laser sensors we had to bear the trackball mice and although the IBM model M and other similar mechanical keyboards were around, I'm pretty sure they weren't touted as 'gaming' keyboards. No, we used regular keyboards but people still had significant advantage over others, it wasn't until cyber sports had become popular that these gaming peripheral companies were founded.

It's hard to look at a motherboards and memory and CPU's and read the words 'created for gamers' in the features list, the only piece of hardware that is truly designed for gamers are graphics cards surely.
We have reached a stage now where the words 'created for gamers' are becoming a little over used, or used purely as marketing to sell a product to a wider market. Gaming mice are making large strides to becoming a whole lot more responsive and feature rich but I can't really see any new innovations that can make any new product individual any more. Most gaming keyboards are a joke with their backlit keys for improved visibility and LCD panels for additional info, sure macro keys are great but when using them in games doesn't it kind of feel like cheating a little? I remember playing Need for Speed: Porsche Challenge on the PS1 and found a little glitch when playing a wager mode between two players, it was possible to load the same car for both players by cloning the memory card. The end result was that I won my own car several times and was able to sell it over and over again and earn a large amount of cash and was able to buy the best car available, which was good for all of one hour and kind of killed the game as I now had nothing to aim towards.

Sure today's games have evolved a lot and we now have the multiplayer aspect to contend with, so now we are pitching ourselves against each other and we need to find that competitive edge. Sure that 5600dpi mouse and that LED backlit keyboard may give you a slight advantage but when it comes down to it nothing comes close to raw skill. My first taste of multiplayer action was in the form of Americas Army, when I started I was rubbish, first I thought it was my RAM holding me back so I upgraded that but no difference was seen. Next I decided to upgrade my CPU but it was the same story. It was then that I upgraded my flailing MX440 Video Card to a more suitable ATI Radeon X800 XT and the difference was immediately apparent. It wasn't until I destroyed my mouse in a fit of rage that I bought into the whole gaming peripheral market ideal in the form of a Razer Krait 1600dpi gaming mouse, which made little difference to my gameplay when compared to the improvement gained from buying that X800 XT Video Card. It wasn't until I learned to watch shadows and listen for footsteps and learn different aspects and routes of maps that I could call myself good. Also being part of a gaming clan and communicating via teamspeak improved my gameplay a lot more than any peripheral ever has.

I don't intend to start a mission to debunk the entire gaming peripheral market segment as there are products out there that really do make a difference, but at the end of the day you need to understand that a particular input device won't transform you into a pro-gamer overnight and you can also become 'pro' without the use of one of these devices so long as you have good hardware that is related directly to games. I'm talking now about Video and Sound cards that are able to recreate your game of choice with high details because at the end of the day your main weapons are ultimately your senses and your reaction time, skills that are developed over time. This brings me back now to my opening statement, what are you looking for in a gaming keyboard? Hopefully I have been able to put some things into perspective.


The review:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=648&Itemid=65

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 14 2010, 05:34 PM
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post Dec 14 2010, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Dec 14 2010, 03:26 AM)
i still waiting for red switch filco that some one said it's coming to malaysia
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i dont think diatec carry any red switches filco.
i don think costar even make their kb with red switches
so i dont think is going to happen yet.
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post Dec 14 2010, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 14 2010, 05:30 PM)
i dont think diatec carry any red switches filco.
i don think costar even make their kb with red switches
so i dont think is going to happen yet.
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well, some one said it's possible, so i just gonna wait and see what's the result.
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post Dec 14 2010, 05:53 PM

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I saw this eshop selling the dk-9008 pbt lasered version in english. This one in particular comes with the palm rest as well if i'm not mistaken.


Ducky N-KEY 108KEY PBT Cap | tea hand cushion to send English-axis

Product Model: DK9008-BEPLB

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Introduction:

    DUCKY 薄邊框精心巧思的玩家之鍵,使用者可同時按下所有按鍵同時顯現, 此功能讓Ducky鍵盤成為多功能機械鍵盤, 符合打字速度快的使用者和電玩玩家的需求。 DUCKY thin border of the key players well ingenuity, the user can simultaneously press all the buttons appear at the same time, this feature allows the keyboard to become multi-functional mechanical keyboard Ducky, in line with typing speed of users and the demand for video game players.

    茶軸的觸發鍵程為2.0mm,壓力克數60g,壽命5000萬次,MX軸中做工最為複雜的一種,壓力克數和青軸相當,避免了黑軸長期使用手部疲勞的問題,採用跟青軸一樣有二段式行程,唯獨缺少CLICK的聲音,按鍵聲音適中,單軸壽命為5000萬次,兼顧辦公與遊戲。 The trigger shaft key way of tea is 2.0mm, the pressure grams 60g, life 50 million times, MX-axis in the most complex kind of work, pressure, and the green shaft quite a few grams, to avoid the long axis of the black hand fatigue problems, the use of as a two-step with the green axis travel, except the voice of the lack of CLICK, key sound moderate, Single life 50 million times, both office and gaming. 宜辦公使用或遊戲使用。 Office use, or the game should use.

    還有更接近特定玩家需要的快速鍵,F9是代表視窗鍵失效,可鎖Window Key(讓愛好遊戲的您,不用擔心)。 There are more close to the specific needs of the fast key players, F9 key failure on behalf of the window, you can lock Window Key (so that you are loving the game, do not worry.) F10代表Caps Lock與Ctrl切換,(讓Linux使用特殊系統更加方便)。 Caps Lock and Ctrl F10 on behalf of switch (to Linux easier to use a special system.) F11則是視窗鍵與Alt鍵切換,(讓蘋果使用者使用更加方便)。 F11 is the Windows key and Alt key to change, (so that Apple users are more convenient).

    整把鍵盤在鍵帽上採用高規格的PBT鍵帽,PBT鍵帽的特色在於抗磨損手感極佳,在印字上使用香檳色字體,更加有質感。 On the whole the keyboard in Cap Cap with high specification PBT, PBT is the anti-wear characteristics of keycap feel good, the use of champagne in the printing fonts, more texture.

    Ducky keyboard 全系列皆採用德國工藝Cherry 機械式軸承,擁有獨特的手感及超長的壽命。 Ducky keyboard using German technology the whole series are Cherry mechanical bearings, has a unique feel and long life. 對打字講求舒適及效率的使用者來說,Ducky鍵盤不卡鍵, 使用者可同時按下所有按鍵同時顯現, 此功能讓Ducky機械鍵盤成為多功能鍵盤, 符合打字速度快的使用者和電玩玩家的需求,Ducky鍵盤使用一流的機械軸,憑藉輕微的喀答聲和優良的觸覺反饋,以及五千萬次超長使用壽命,旨在產生出更快的打字速度和準確性。 Emphasis on comfort and efficiency of typing for the user, Ducky keyboard keys do not card, the user can press the buttons at the same time show all, this feature allows a multi-function keyboard Ducky mechanical keyboard, in line with typing speed of users and game players demand, Ducky keyboard class mechanical axis, with a slight sound and excellent Cameroon A tactile feedback, and five million times long life, designed to produce faster typing speed and accuracy.

商品特色: Product Features:

    1、PS/2 Full N-KEY 對應不衝突,USB 6 KEY 不衝突 1, PS / 2 Full N-KEY corresponding to no conflict, USB 6 KEY do not conflict
    2、FN 多媒體功能快速鍵 2, FN multimedia shortcut keys
    3、FN特殊功能鍵切換 3, FN special function key to switch
    4、四鍵貼心快捷鍵(Only 108 Key Type) 4, four shortcut keys close (Only 108 Key Type)
    5、接線分離,讓您攜帶方便 5, wiring separation, allowing you easy to carry
    6、三向出口,給您更多選擇 6, three to the exit, giving you more options
    7、薄型邊框設計,簡潔有形 7, thin frame design, simple physical
    8、採Cherry原廠茶軸獨立軸設計,壽命更長 8, an independent mining shaft axis Cherry tea factory design and longer life
    9、Function Key採用衛星輔軸設計,讓您打字更加穩固 9, Function Key with satellite auxiliary shaft design makes your typing more stable
    10、 特殊雷雕料香檳雷刻印字。 10, special materials champagne Ray Ray carving engraving words.
    11、附拔鍵器與ESC、A、S、D、W遊戲鍵 11, with a pull key device and ESC, A, S, D, W game keys
    12、有多4個特殊鍵、小算盤、我的電腦、信箱、首頁 12, a number of four special keys, calculator, my computer, mailbox, home page
    13、 使用PBT塑膠鍵帽手感更佳 13, the use of PBT plastic keycap feel better


商品規格: Specification:

    型號: Type:     DK9008-BEPLB DK9008-BEPLB

    介面: Interface:
        USB/PS2 USB/PS2

    印刷技術: Printing Technology:
        雷射印刷 Laser Printing

    軸: Axis:
      

    Cherry MX 茶軸 Cherry MX tea axis

    鍵數: Key number:
        108 KEY 108 KEY

    排列: Order:
        US ASCII US ASCII
    鍵帽材質: Cap Material:     PBT PBT

    印刷: Printing:
        英文 English

    尺寸: Size:
        442 x 140 x 41.5 mm(W,D,H) 442 x 140 x 41.5 mm (W, D, H)

    重量: Weight:
        1.2Kg 1.2Kg

    產地: Origin:
        台灣 Taiwan

    配件: Accessories:
      

    ESC、WASD遊戲鍵x 1、拔鍵器x 1、黑色手靠墊x 1 ESC, WASD gaming keys x 1, pull out key control x 1, the black hand cushion x 1


http://translate.google.com.my/translate?h...atId%3D18&twu=1


So thats like 407.422 MYR for the keyboard.


I paid like 610 MYR for mine so i overpaid by from the Vrzone MO doh.gif


For Singaporeans it costs 540.946 MYR (shipping price already included)

But i don't think this eseller has international shipping right fsbzzz :{ ?


PChome only has in Chinese :{ ??

http://translate.google.com.my/translate?h...%26tm%3Du&twu=1

This is the shipping price for pchome. Weight is for somewhere between 5-10 keyboards
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大陸 China RMB ¥ 50
亞洲/ 大洋洲 Asia / Oceania  US $ 10 (含港澳)  (including Hong Kong and Macau)
歐美及其他 Europe, America and other  US $ 20



Shame, but at least people have a grasp how much the keyboard is worth :/ just hope pchome has stock.

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not sure if they would help you, but you could try:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...76766&hl=taiwan
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=622850&hl=taiwan
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 14 2010, 03:53 AM)
But i don't think this eseller has international shipping right fsbzzz :{ ?
Shame, but at least people have a grasp how much the keyboard is worth :/ just hope pchome has stock.
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you will think PChome is cheap for NOW only, because they got the PROMO which is for temporary.
once the promo is end, no way you can get that price. FYI.
i shipped my stuff paying $20 for the EMS.
when my package is here, i can see the cost of shipping, they paid $65 plus for my packaging, but only charge me $20 because of the promo.
they pay the $additional 45 by themself. which this Promo not going to last any longer.
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Does pchome have this model

DK9008-BEPLB

Even without the palm rest; do they have just that dk-9008 pbt in English with cherry brown switches biggrin.gif ??

I saw their site the pull down only said Chinese characters :{





The cherry g80-3494 also seems to be only available in Chinese

http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func...21&ROWNO=9&tm=u


522.771 MYR + 31.2950 MYR for shipping to malaysia = 554.066 MYR



fsbzz when you bought from them did you have to pay paypal transaction fee or they ?? I use a credit card attached to my paypal rather than keep credits in my paypal account doh.gif





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their pbt 9008 cherry mx brown only available in chinese QWERTY layout.
it works fine just it have the chinese font thats all.
i use paypal direct bank transfer. you have to pay the fees.

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But why for this model they don't have English but Walrus does :/

And Inpad who does; probably doesn't ship internationally :{ grrr.
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FYI, is the PChome promo that makes u think that Walrus overcharge, but actually no. with the real shipping price on PCHome, without the promo, you won't be able to afford it.
walrus's kb still cheaper.
they paid total $65 for the shipping, and sell it at lost with only charging $20.

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pchome selling Ducky 1087 at NT$3890 right? That's almost like the price i paid in the sg MO..

Din get the price u paid for..

p/s: u bought the leather wrist pad?

I am used to negative inclined keyboard nowadays thanks to Microsoft Natural keyboard, any idea how to make it happened?

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PChome's shipping cost is USD65 without promo?


Added on December 14, 2010, 8:01 pm
QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 14 2010, 04:37 PM)

unless you are a noob SCII player. if you APM is more then 100, i suggest NKRO tongue.gif
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When do you really need NKRO for SC2?
Even for summoning (or queuing) units you will definitely control which unit comes out first and which unit comes out second.

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When do you really need NKRO for SC2?
Even for summoning (or queuing) units you will definitely control which unit comes out first and which unit comes out second.
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ask diamond player, most of the diamond player just prefer NKRO in SCII.
and FYI,Diamond player cant even play well on Cherry MX Blue.
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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 14 2010, 08:39 PM)
ask diamond player, most of the diamond player just prefer NKRO in SCII.
and FYI,Diamond player cant even play well on Cherry MX Blue.
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The problem with Cherry Blue for most gamers is the actuation point, it's definitely harder to get used to, and quite unecessary since they can just opt for Browns.

I think they prefer NKRO just because of namesake. NKRO is just overrated. Useful in some situations, but mostly just a luxury feature.
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QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 14 2010, 08:53 PM)
The problem with Cherry Blue for most gamers is the actuation point, it's definitely harder to get used to, and quite unecessary since they can just opt for Browns.

I think they prefer NKRO just because of namesake. NKRO is just overrated. Useful in some situations, but mostly just a luxury feature.
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actually it is said that boxer is testing on Blue (from TL forum)...
i just feel that NKRO is needed when u move very fast (around 200apm) that keys overlap (and they are not at the usual gaming optimized keys)
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A new mechanical keyboard from Zowie Gear
http://www.zowiegear.com/products?page=sho...2&category_id=7

Which is using MX brown!!!
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QUOTE(zandara @ Dec 14 2010, 09:28 PM)
A new mechanical keyboard from Zowie Gear
http://www.zowiegear.com/products?page=sho...2&category_id=7

Which is using MX brown!!!
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btw anyone getting red switches kb??? mind do a review?

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