The thing is, electronic components don;t normally have wear and tear like mechanical components. But I suppose it has something similar though. Normally electronic components will fail completely if its time.

And you're lucky if your PC suddenly shutdown or unable to boot. It means that the PSU fail safe is working and it kept your other PC components from being damaged. Cheers to Enlight
Do you still have the old Enlight you mentioned, I'm sure it can be repaired.


Well, given their price I'm would be really really surprised if they give cheapo components lorr. They HAD to give extra large capacitors and extra powerful transformer and extra quality IC's if they want to supply more power to the PC.

What I mean when we're surprise when we saw the capacity of the capacitor is that, given its price of RM145 (if I recall correctly), the components given are quite good. I mean, you don't exactly hear praises when you mentioned Enlight. But then again, my 400W Enlight that everybody says is underpowered has served me for the past 2 years so I have no complaints.


Damn, really..Shit..But Gigabyte 4+1 phase won't be worse than my old Asus M2N68 Motherboard rite...


My RAM is at 1.66v. Stock should be 1.65 but the BIOS doesn't have 1.65v, it skips to 1.66 from 1.64 I've kept my NB and other components at stock voltage. And I've made a mistake just now, apparently I didn't over volt my CPU to 1.425v. It was running at stock 1.4v when I was testing the configuration just now. No wonder my CPU-Z shows 1.39v....

Its damn good news for me though...


Hmm..Linux also has the Memtest, maybe I should try that one later. Thanks for the info bro.


I see, well congrats on your new Deneb bro.
Btw, your RAM timing is very weird. Would it be more stable if you time your RAM like that?
And I didn't know you can OC the CPU-NB frequency to that high.

And my setting works. After 20 mins of Prime 95 and 2 hours of gaming my system is still stable. No sudden shut down or BSOD. Looks like there is more to OC than just increasing the voltage...

Time to experiment on other settings hehe.....

This post has been edited by cllee86: Apr 5 2011, 03:53 AM

yes sometimes, the memory divider just don't work, some times the cpu multiplier just don't work...
i'm not sure though... but i think i do experience both of them when i had a non BE proc... correct me if i'm wrong... haha....

yes my timing is odd but i wanted to try run them @ CAS 7, so i had to do that... Memtest paseed anyway...
NB freq is trying to compensate the ram's not so tight timing....
from what I read and if i rmb correctly those sifus here mentioned CPU-NB optimally shud be kept <=2600...

Anyway saw your debate on the PSU,
which I'm curious to know bout this silverstone i'm using...
just wanna ask what can u c from the pictures below...
Picta 1
Picta 2
Picta 3

Everything has its wear & tear, even metal/plastic degrades overtime the difference is how fast it degrades etc..
Electronic components when overexposed to heat will have shorter lifespan compared to electronic components that are not over exposed..
I sold off my enlight psu to a friend for cheap, it is still working ok albeit it cannot delivery 425w anymore, but still ok for a low power pc eg: p4 system

Just don't push more than 1.5v to ur cpu should be ok.. we here always suggest to anyone who wants to try oc, to play around with mix settings like rather than just putting more cpu volt, add a bit more to cpu-nb volt also to gain stability.. play around fsb & cpu multi instead of just cpu multi only etc.. with ram dividers also sometimes u need to play around..

I see nothing wrong running with lower than 10-10-10 timings for the rams, i've seen people running their rams at 6-7-6, 8-9-8 etc.. it all down to how good is ur rams..
BTW whats ur ram default timings? At 1.66v i think those timings seems a bit to laxed for me, are ur rams rated for 1.65v or 1.5v stock eh?
High cpu oc sometimes need to have u running the cpu-nb higher too, u can see the difference if ur running synthetic benchmarks..

Yup there's more to oc'ing than just whacking high volt & increasing multipliers, theres a more deeper art to it

Climb a stair should be called Work done in mechanical term.

The wattage calculation for a processor .. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=94726 ; more info for PSU http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDFAQs

Do include the power draw from your hdd and gpu as you are playing games instead of just streesing the CPU. The efficiency of every PSU are varying at full load and 70% load etc

If you think PSU is not the culprit, play your game in everything default and see is there any BSOD. Otherwise, what component do you think is the culprit afterall?

Edit: PSU calculator make life easier and brain less tense up http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

This post has been edited by louislkw: Apr 5 2011, 03:30 PM

I see I see..thanks for the info bro. By tight timing you mean 7-7-7-10 or 10-10-10-20?

I'm setting my ram at 9-10-9-25 @ 1410Mhz. It pass the first round of Memtest so it should be fine i guess. Normally u Memtest the RAM timing to determine the stability?


Hehe..not really a debate lar bro. Just stating what I have learn during the days when I was obsessed by it
Btw, it very difficult to see from the pictures. At first I thought you took them yourself haha...

Alright, the first thing you'll notice is the large capacitors, all PSU have that. The 450v reading means that the capacitor can accept inputs up to 450Volts. It doesn't really mean anything since the input voltage is not really important, its the output voltage that is important but I can't see it from your picture.

The uF number indicated the stability of the electric output of the capacitor. 390uF is really good. It means that the electric output from the capacitor is very stable. The Big RED coil next to the capacitors are meant to further reduce the electronic noise.

As expected of Silverstone. No wonder they're so damn expensive. They're using good stuffs. My father has only 1 solid advice when selecting PSU.
Always take the HEAVIER ones. If you have 2, 1 is heavier and the other 1 is lighter but has more output written on its stickers. Always take the heavier 1.


Oh yea. I didn't mention what RAM I'm using. I'm just using a low end Kingston HyperX ram. Its stated in the website that the original timing for my Kingston Ram is 1600Mhz at 9-9-9-24 at 1.65v

My current RAM setting is at 1410Mhz at 9-10-9-25 at 1.6v. Tested with Memtest and it pass 1 round. Should be OK I guess.

Any advice on my RAM timing? Can go lower? Cause I heard the lower the RAM timing the more unstable you system becomes when you OC. Especially if you're using cheapo RAM like my Kingston HyperX...


Yup, but you can still measure it in Watt if you want.


Not really sure how accurate is the calculation. TDP stated in CPU websites are thermal power. We're talking about electrical power. i don't think its very accurate to calculate total electrical consumption from thermal output.


Yes, other component do draw power ( that's a no brainer ) but its not that much. But the motors in the HDD runs on 12v, In fact, all the motors in the PC system runs on 12v.

Please, don't make me start on GPU. It'll deviate further from the purpose of this thread and I wanna focus on OC.

And if you read my later post, you'll notice that its all about configuration, and not PSU. My latest configuration works perfectly fine. No BSOD or restart.

The culprit for my system now is the No 1 enemy to all electronic components, Heat. My casing just doesn't deliver cool air fast enough and it does a bad job at exhausting hot air. No choice, cap Dolphin casing, from 7 years ago....Gotta MOD my case, can't afford a new one...yet..

The lower the number the tighter it is

Don't think we can call HyperX as a cheapo ram liao
According to ur stock ram setting, i believe running at 1410mhz u could still have the timing lowered maybe around 8-8-8-25, volt just set at default 1.65v..
See if u could run it, if u can't try running it at a lower 8-9-8-25 timing, but keep in mind tho that HyperX has never been known to be that compatible in oc'ing with amd IMC's..

tighter means smaller numbers...
yes i memtest to check for rams error...

yeah heat is quite a big factor in OC...
get my used cooler... Sunbeam CoreContactFreezer
@3.6Ghz, full load only 55 degree...
it's a very hot afternoon...
very decent for OCer...
nonid mod ur casing...

This post has been edited by byfc2010: Apr 5 2011, 10:19 PM

Thank you so much for the advice Will try it out soon...

And compared to those high end Rams like Munchkin and Corsair, my Kingston HyperX is considered cheapo edi
But will try to push it to the max
I hope this HyperX will be friends with my chipset haha..


Hmm..I tested Prime yesterday with my side case open and the temperature max at 56c. When I closed it the temperature shoot up to 60c ++.
The ZALMAN 9500 is pretty good, it cost me RM245 back then Its just that the air flow inside my casing sucks. But I already have plans for my casing, I will cut out 1 section of the side panel so that I can fit one 12" fan directly beside my CPU fan

This post has been edited by cllee86: Apr 5 2011, 11:35 PM

Airflow suck bcoz of what liao? Do some cable management lah to rid all those cacing kerawits strewn all over inside ur casing yoo..
Important thing for a case must have a intake fan at area below to suck cold air and exhaust fan at the back or at the top to exhaust ur hot air's..
Keep in mind that putting a direct intake fan at the side of ur cpu fan would not be that helpful if u don't have proper exhaust or airflow

This post has been edited by cloudwan: Apr 6 2011, 12:35 AM

Aiyo..don't you think I want to get rid of those cacing kerawits meh..
I bought the Cap Dolphin casing 7 years ago!! There are no cable managements built into the casing larr..
Plus the PSU is on top sumore and there's a bunch of big ass cable dangling from above

I did my best to manage the cable with what I got and I'm proud to say I did quite a decent job at it...

My casing got both intake and exhaust fans but there's this huge metal mesh blocking the air flow and its giving a huge wind resistant to the overall airflow.
Now I wanna cut out these metal meshes first but the thing is, they're damn strong and I can't cut it using my regular cutter. I need professional help with this...Gonna ask my friend to cut it for me, he got the right tools

while u at it,cut a few holes for cable routing n lots of cable base tie...though tis should be going to cable management thread
y is it harder to oc with 8gb of ram compared to 4gb or fewer...???
lots of sig i read ere n overclock.net juz hv 4gb on amd platform...i hv 8gb coz system mechanic always give reminder tht my memory is low so i add another kit of 4gb...

U do what needing 8gb ram yoo??
IMO sometimes the IMC just not strong enuff to drive & maintain high speed with lower timings in ur oc setting, especially u have mix match rams

tht...got 2 monitors...1 for watching muvee,other for firefox,ie,pdf,etc ...or gaming n muvee ...vengeance any good for amd imc?mushkin?u guys got good ripjaws,me very jelly

Hahahaha, drive 2 monitors, watching muvie, firefox, ie, pdf, etc.. gaming muvee, no comment liao, i do multitask also tho rarely see needing more than 4gb yo, tho i'm not on 2 monitors..
Ripjaws aren't that marvelous yo, Gskill flare & ECO IMO is more the bomb, see quite a lot of good review/result from users on them yo..

budget very limited rite now...nid to sell hyperx 1st n a kidney
going to take out a kit n try to get highest fsb tonite...with 8gb,able to boot with 267 fsb

Hehe..no need to go that far As for cable routing, I'll just get me a new casing that has good cable routes and airflow. But I can't afford it yet..Haizzz...

And I've also heard about this rumours that over 4gb of Ram is a bit harder to OC. Guess it true then. My brother is planning to get 8gb as well for his next PC.

Woah...267 fsb....Fro some reason I'm quite reluctant to touch my FSB...

i got non BE proc...thts d onli way to oc

267fsb is so-so, seen some hantu's in here that already 412mhz fsb liao
At best my mobo + cpu max fsb can only reach 352mhz fsb

tht is some hantu

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Added on April 6, 2011, 2:17 pmjuz becoz i hv some times...decided to try again at 270fsb...failed....oopppsieee...



few while,successful boot,after hitting clear cmos,coz freeze at welcome screen(dont ask y i didnt disable it)n reactivating win7...pop up cpu-z...my memory is single channel now...

read manual,two module nid to be put in slot 1 n 3 to enable dual channel...facepalm.jpg...lol,tis is amd

This post has been edited by shajack: Apr 6 2011, 02:17 PM

get winovava 8gb... can do 1600 @ 7-7-7 w/ 1.62v... not bad + berry affordable.