simple like this if feel terran is op . just switch to terran . end of story . hehe

a unit is bad/unbalanced because of the lack of skill != balance.
blizzard will NOT buff a unit because a bronze cried it being weak

sure as hell bronze can voice out, whether they will be taken seriously on the other hand, is a whole different story. if you're bronze, you play with your other bronze, and you guys can cry about OP together

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Added on October 13, 2010, 1:38 pmthats what the pros do

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Added on October 13, 2010, 1:44 pm

first off, WHY is tier not relevant? tier needs TIME and GAS to reach, while lower tier (read: MM) does not. you can be teching templars and colo, the MM will be at your gate saying hello. a good timing push is ~40-50 supply @ 6-8minute time frame.

at that point, toss have NO HT/colo. only thing they got is sentry to buy time. however, you're contained. grats. terran expand, while you struggle to break free. by the time you got a colo or ht, terran gets medi/tank/ghost. what do?

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Added on October 13, 2010, 1:44 pmevo threw the gauntlet. lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 13 2010, 01:44 PM

Terran won't be OP forever. see coming patch 1.2

@Shiciri ....this thread is about OPness of Terran for now ...

Anyway ......Aeco state a very good argument ....man ...so far.....He one of the malaysian watched alll major tournament game .....

Anyway ...HEI ...the world has more Protoss player than Terran player ...from what I seen after a/2 mth of this game launched. Protoss should be explored as much as Terran....

@Shadow ....Can I know what league you are in? ...to me League/ranking is a big matter : )

yeah.

I wanna see longer fire range for Roaches and faster base movement for Overlord.

This thread is heating up , just like any other threads with "OP" in it. *runs*

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wow macam ini pun akan ban?? i'm new to this forum anyway =)

so back to the topic, any insights of wats coming up on the upcoming 1.2 patch??

Here's some insights. Not sure whether it's the most updated version though.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1591512

lol not all pros...
idra wont be terran cause he got self respect...
as for dimaga, he is one of the best western zerg i've seen (besides idra) and when u see him saying that its such a big blow to the community (TL especially)

i dunno bout the other players here but i for one hate the feeling of being contained...
why? simple fact that u gotta move down ur ramp while he have already establish a pre-concave would rape ur army hard (see tester vs rainbow game 2)...
its nt easy to break a containment especially good players who know to pre-concave and play safe...
this is why using cannon at ur ramp is one of the worst thing u can do...
using sentry to FF the ramp is the better solution, cannons? stick them to ur mineral line for possible harass...

as for the gauntlet challenge, not being a terran player (while i random a lot and do get terran with high winning rate), i am fairly confident at my terran play...
MM would require u to have simple atk move micro to do well enuff to rape gateway armies...
compared to hw much i have been microing on my toss (FFs) and zerg (surround, flanking ,carpet bombing, magic boxing etc), that's pretty ez lol...

as for fruity in GSL?
i feel top would have won game 3 if he decided to atk after his early game harassment...
fruity was on like <20 drones and wut top do?
double expanded and waiting for 200/200 thor when ultralisk's saurfang bug is available

its a parody of TL.net forums...
usually OP rants in live report threads would be suspended LOL...

mmm can easily counter by using high templar if u using toss

imho, toss was pretty much explored during beta...
idra pointed out that the ceiling for toss (more like skill cap) is pretty low which is why he didnt continued his toss (he was a toss back in beta b4 zerg)...
upon release, we rarely see any new innovative toss play (besides inca's awesome cannon rush lol)

terran's peak was mostly during IEM cologne where the 5raxreaper broke apart the metagame for TvZ instead of the usual hellion/ banshee...
GSL then carried that on with some of the best early aggression terran could pull out (3marauder push, marine all-in, polt timing atk, repairion etc)...
recently tlo's double fac build is one of the best i've seen though being very very micro intensive...

i would say terran is now OP but nt as OP as most claimed...
the best terran matchup is still TvP where toss's early game vulnerability (limited openings) coupled with terran's flexible opening/ timing pushes and early game pressure (t1 t1.5) give terran such a big advantage...

i rather have roach speed upgrable b4 lair...
i find mobility > range for roaches (i only get roaches for their mobility)

i gotta agree MM on early game would be quite powerful n hard to melt...

experienced it myself when playing random on team games such as 3v3 n 4v4...
just simply mass marines + marauders + stim and just roll over the other races in a timing push

id assume ur not a TL forum visitor wwww

the problem is getting the templars as i've mentioned (pros said this as well)...
for u to go templar tech, u would need at least 3 gate to survive...
to get HT: -
- 3 gate (some sentry for FF/ GS)
- twillight council (charge is needed as well since u need to spend ur mienrals on zealot and its 200/200 to tech)
- templar archive
- pre-warp 2-3 HT for energy
- research storm
- research amulet
all of the above are very very very gas intensive (u cant support this off 1base and survive any atk i gurantee u)...
and its auto loose vs banshee openings (which is very very common by top lvl diamonds especially the polt timing atk)

not to loose to banshee, u need robo for obs...
that is a different tech tree, pretty gas intensive still to get since u would need 2 obs...
so why nt drop a bay and get colossus?
much easier tech, faster to get and cheaper...
and u wont auto loose vs emp...

though i suggest when u have 3 base, start getting HTs...

nope..not a big fan of that site....

dont have to be. but they do have pretty much everything you'll want to know for SC/SC2 (remember wiki.teamliquid.net? lol)

yea yea heard of it...who manages TL anyway?? foreigners?? i tot it was some local dorum jz like LYN...
i went there actually but theres too many stuff so end up din read=.=

ya foreigners...
its the biggest non-korean/ china sc community out there (every1 except those 2 countries goes there though koreans go support TL a lot like cellawerra)

Agrees so much on this. In bronze, they can even cry on cannon rush. So cannons are OP too?