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 Planned changes for better balance?, Might as well remove reaper from game

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Auricom
post Oct 8 2010, 05:24 AM

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QUOTE(AndyNoobie @ Oct 8 2010, 02:58 AM)
Ya not much a change, just need to upgrade zerg...need not to nerf other races...

just upgrade:

- Roach able to speed upgrade at tier 1
- Spore crawler doesn't require evo chamber - since zerg only have queens to def against air during tier 1
- Upgrade health of zerg buildings (already mentioned by blizzard)
- Reduce infestors size = =" their size is enormously huge and easily snipe targeted

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I lol'ed at that statement.

Seriously, when that all air units in SC2 are Tier 3 ? If you only have Queens to defend and stuck only at Tier 1, when your opponent comes at you with Tier 3 units, then there is seriously something very wrong with your build order and/or your scouting failed terribad. Buffing/Nerfing of units shouldnt come at the cost of bad gameplay.

If you're gonna suggest that the Evolution Chamber requirement be removed, might as well remove the requirement of an Engineering Bay for the Missile Turret ?
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post Oct 8 2010, 05:38 AM

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QUOTE(Auricom @ Oct 8 2010, 05:24 AM)
I lol'ed at that statement.

Seriously, when that all air units in SC2 are Tier 3 ? If you only have Queens to defend and stuck only at Tier 1, when your opponent comes at you with Tier 3 units, then there is seriously something very wrong with your build order and/or your scouting failed terribad. Buffing/Nerfing of units shouldnt come at the cost of bad gameplay.

If you're gonna suggest that the Evolution Chamber requirement be removed, might as well remove the requirement of an Engineering Bay for the Missile Turret ?
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hmm actually what i mean is, zerg has very less def against early air especially the opponent rushes VR or Banshee, the zerg can fend off just by using queen. There goes Terran which actually can mass marines / toss canon shoots both air and ground...a tier 2 muta isnt that efficient up against these tier (?) value for mineral yet effective units smile.gif

haha all actually just my pov so no hard feelings ya just my lima sen ringgit tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Oct 8 2010, 08:21 AM

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omg why not swap hydralisks with Roach for T2 tech?
So we can hydralisk rush at T1 and pwn.
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post Oct 8 2010, 08:34 AM

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supply then barrack looks dumb to me..

Extra range in roach? I would prefer speed in roaches first.. Although both being a welcome addition.

Blink is super annoying in a hands of pro... Well fungal growth makes infestor play much more important now, almost like a must have I guess.. but it's not to that extend blink micro cannot be counter
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post Oct 8 2010, 09:07 AM

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I wan to build Missle T after I build my barrack
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post Oct 8 2010, 10:15 AM

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all the changes aside, im actually surprise at how they are trying to nerf reapers into near uselessness. might as well remove them already if they are gonna continue the trend of nerfing reapers
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post Oct 8 2010, 10:31 AM

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i never use reaper for almost 1 month already haha
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post Oct 8 2010, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(AndyNoobie @ Oct 8 2010, 02:58 AM)
Ya not much a change, just need to upgrade zerg...need not to nerf other races...

just upgrade:

- Roach able to speed upgrade at tier 1
- Spore crawler doesn't require evo chamber - since zerg only have queens to def against air during tier 1
- Upgrade health of zerg buildings (already mentioned by blizzard)
- Reduce infestors size = =" their size is enormously huge and easily snipe targeted

Just my 2 cents smile.gif
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Evo chamber to build AA static defense is in fact similar requirement for Terran and Protoss too (Terran need EB for Turret, Protoss need Forge for cannons, and both EB and Forge provide infantry upgrades, same as evo chamber)
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post Oct 8 2010, 10:55 AM

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corruptor need moe hp
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:09 AM

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Kinda supprise with the w/l race vs race statistic, protoss seems op while im having hard time againts mmmg ball. Guess is my own prob T.T
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(azmirhere @ Oct 8 2010, 10:55 AM)
corruptor need moe hp
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Agreed, I'm all in for corrupters with big anime eyes and go "uguu"
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 8 2010, 11:29 AM)
Agreed, I'm all in for corrupters with big anime eyes and go "uguu"
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IINM they have 4 or 8 eyes, and said eyes going moe and uguu? dontknowifwant.jpg

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okay...
user posted image

no eyes.

i mistaken corruptors with mutalisks. and for mutalisks...
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10 eyes it seems. lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 8 2010, 11:33 AM
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 8 2010, 10:15 AM)
all the changes aside, im actually surprise at how they are trying to nerf reapers into near uselessness. might as well remove them already if they are gonna continue the trend of nerfing reapers
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Believe me, eventually they will put those requirements: Reaper requires Starport to build, speed upgrade requires Fusion Core, another requirement is "No reaper" like Toss' "No Mothership", which limits one reaper at one time.

QUOTE(MintDarker @ Oct 8 2010, 11:09 AM)
Kinda supprise with the w/l race vs race statistic, protoss seems op while im having hard time againts mmmg ball. Guess is my own prob T.T
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In fact, in most of the expert TvP replays that I've watched, Toss players always have an upper hand over Terran's. It will always come down to HT vs. Ghost in mid to late game, and for some reasons, Toss players always shoot their storm more accurately than Terran's EMP Round.
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:40 AM

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are reaper really tht powerful? I never like to use them because their armor are make from tissue paper
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Oct 8 2010, 11:37 AM)
Believe me, eventually they will put those requirements: Reaper requires Starport to build, speed upgrade requires Fusion Core, another requirement is "No reaper" like Toss' "No Mothership", which limits one reaper at one time.
In fact, in most of the expert TvP replays that I've watched, Toss players always have an upper hand over Terran's. It will always come down to HT vs. Ghost in mid to late game, and for some reasons, Toss players always shoot their storm more accurately than Terran's EMP Round.
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guess you missed out GSL


Added on October 8, 2010, 11:41 am
QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Oct 8 2010, 11:40 AM)
are reaper really tht powerful? I never like to use them because their armor are make from tissue paper
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This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 8 2010, 11:41 AM
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:45 AM

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altho i hate T big time but i still think that depo first then rax is ridiculous..

roaches speed and range are useful indeed
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:47 AM

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baneling need ultralisk armor.its useless now except for carpet bombing
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(azmirhere @ Oct 8 2010, 10:55 AM)
corruptor need moe hp
QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 8 2010, 11:29 AM)
Agreed, I'm all in for corrupters with big anime eyes and go "uguu"
ahah, i like this. biggrin.gif

anyway he SD before Barracks thing is just pointless. that makes it exactly like pylon before gateway already.

for players who have been doing 9 / 10 SD then it's no big deal.

and i don't see how much it affects reaper push.

The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

that one is funny though. factory before get infantry upgrade.
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post Oct 8 2010, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(mollymurder @ Oct 8 2010, 11:45 AM)
altho i hate T big time but i still think that depo first then rax is ridiculous..

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why not? Protoss have to go Pylon first then gateway, while zerg have to spend 250 minerals for a spawning pool (drone inclusive)
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Oct 8 2010, 11:40 AM)
are reaper really tht powerful? I never like to use them because their armor are make from tissue paper
ahhh i see you got promoted to gold league already, congratulations.

reapers are nice actually but weaker armor means require monitoring, for newbie like me - not so good to use. tongue.gif till now i also never build reaper.


Added on October 8, 2010, 11:50 am
QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 8 2010, 11:48 AM)
why not? Protoss have to go Pylon first then gateway, while zerg have to spend 250 minerals for a spawning pool (drone inclusive)
protoss has chrono boost while zerg have queen larvae spawn. biggrin.gif


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