Dude PM best price for ZBT hats please.

Hi...

after spend few hours i finally finished read all the threads for v3 25pages huhuhu (how long la i'l take if i read v1 n v2 as well?LOL) but every thread is worthy to read..

anyway....im a beginner n just start learn play drum 2-3months ago.thinking of getting my own gear,at 1st lookin for acoustic drum but after read all the threads here seem the e-drum not that bad as a beginner for me in purpose of get my skill 1st.

seems u guys less talk bout yamaha drum....
need opinion here from the gurus here,as beginner is it worthy if i invest for yamaha custom stage or go for other brand n model for my 1st kit which not that pricey?my teacher not helping me much as she keep promote me custom stage n the fact i am yamaha student duhhh...but custom stage sound great as i only tried with 3 dffrnt drum model so far (dont ask me wat model coz i can remember) huhuhu

We don't talk much about Yamaha's cause they're pretty much above everyone's price range, but they're good.

Rudy of Pop Shuvit is selling is (Oak?) Custom at 9k.

The Stage Custom is good Its really good. But are you sure you want to invest so heavily so quickly?

I know a guy who bought a DW as his first kit (8k) and stopped after 6 months.

If you go for E-drum then you cannot try out the acoustic tuning and changing the stuffs lor.

But you can record the stuff you play, set a volume and you can choose what type of kit sound you want in an E-drum.

Yamaha Stage Custom? Never heard of it, I've played a Rydeen kit before, after changing the heads it's so nice.


A lower grade first kit is okay, it's just that you have to fork out money if you wanna upgrade a kit.

Here's my elaboration/formalization

Drums are extremely expensive, especially for beginners. Its not like guitars or keyboards, where you can get a starter pack for RM600 and below.

So lets pose these questions to ourselves before decide to invest in a drumset.


♦ Usage - What are you going to use the drum for? For playing at home, for jamming with your friends, for live shows or for recording?

In my own experience, I find that although certain drums/cymbals sound amazing live, they don't necessarily sound great when recorded. For example, my HHX hats sound good live and not so much in the studio, whereas my piccolo sounds great in the studio, with its distinctive crack, but not so much live.

Sure, all drums can be used anywhere and for a starter/semi pro it would not matter that much, which is why a versatile drum is important.

However, once you start recording or playing live, you may need to start collecting a variety of snares and cymbals, (especially as a studio drummer) and an array of different heads for different situations.

For another thing, what do you want in your set? Certain drummers are fine with a three piece set, but I know drummers who can only play with a double bass, and not a double kick.

IF you're going to record, do you have enough channels in your mixer to cover all your drums if you're using the May system and not the 2 overhead system.

• Practicality - Let's say you live in a condo with not much sound isolation, would it be more practical for you to buy an eight piece Yamaha Phoenix or a Tama Starclassic and just mute it, or would it make more sense for you to spend that RM20k on a Roland TD20-SX electric drumset.

Of course, that was just an example, and yes, if you do buy not for practicing purposes, but for gigging and recording (outside) its a totally different matter.

Anyway, I personally don't recommend beginners buying vintage drums and such, as parts in Malaysia are pretty hard to get and may take 2-3 months to arrive, which is 2-3 months less practice.


• Budget - Of course, I mentioned above that drums are expensive, therefore, its best to really look around and consider your options before actually settling down to a drumset.

For RM1-2k, your options are very much limited to the PDP Z5, and the Ludwig Accent, if you want to get cymbals added on for that price as well, so I usually don't recommend people those drumsets when they buy from yours truly.

Try saving up a little bit more to expand your options. From 2-3k, you'll start getting a bigger range, for example, the Imperialstar, the Vision, the Element (6 piece) and so on.

However, yes. Cymbals are expensive. RM800 and above is not so uncommon for handhammered cymbals (Soultone, TRX) and high end ones such as Zildjian A Customs and Sabian AAX/HHXs and they push down our limit a lot. So I suggest that, perhaps you start of with a B8 or ZBT set or a lower end set by a good manufacturer, then slowly incorporate more expensive cymbals as you continue playing.



I don't think you can, but do elaborate more


I used a Tama Superstar for recording a couple of times.

It depends actually, would you care to tell us exactly WHICH Superstar? The Hyperdrive, the Standard, the Custom etc. or would you like all?

After the weekend

yamaha drum are expensive, low end drum not much choice and no very good, the high end one are very expensive compare with others brand, but just add on like snare drum will be very good.

myb coz i start with that model so make me fussy with the sound (ngengada la pl hehehe) rather develop my foundation skill 1st.my teacher said YSC can cost 6k for birch 5pieces (price for yamaha student she claimed la) but plus the cymbals+throne it can up to figure u said huhuhu

n yea,my concern i might stop playin it (wish i hv strong will...chaiyok for myself).u hv idea how much others yamaha model (cheaper standard than YSC) can b?any around 4k ka for basic 5pieces?

or u can generously recommend me any brand n model at any reasonable(+cheapest) price that suit for beginner that:
-need 5pieces,HH,CC n RC only
-material:wood n skin used less concern as long can produce good sound
-main purpose is for practising
-in practical wise....i think can b arrange if its acoustic set (grin with evil face lookin at my bro's unused room hohoho)
-if possible come with on site tutorial how to tune it wahahaha this can include in request ka?

agree bout the e-drum coz its totally gv different feeling hitting it compare to acoustic hehehe even i just try 3 dffrnt models so far it does effect my mood to play n yea im lookin forward to customize my own gear when i 'affortable n capable' LOL

but e-drum seems hv advantage on me.im not keen on the recording funct (for now) but the environment.now i just practise by hitting pillows n my mum still can hear from next room imagine if i hv acoustic drum for real...cant imagine actually huhuhu plus im thinking practise using e-drum at home n bang acoustic during my class ngeh3

AhBoy,help me ehh to define n understand the different of low end drum n high end drum...newbie la katakan hehehe i dont hv proper knowledge bout drum yet especially technical stuff (n the terms u guy using) even i hv teacher.all got from net...thanks to today technology LOL

issac,my budget is around 2k,2.2k max w/ cymbals. 2nda hand also can,as long as quality is pretty damn good.mostly im jamming at home,and its a starter kit la basically.

AhBoy? Aw *blush* LOL !

Well, low end or high end, it depends on the way you judge it, price wise, performance wise, etc.

For me, every drum kits that is around 4-5k ++ is medium high to high end already.

But try not to limit your view to just Yamaha. I suggest brands like Tama, Pearl and Ludwig. I still trust these brands most.

thanks isaac, for the detailed explanation. i couldn't agree more

regarding wintersun question about the "environment" i mentioned, its just a redundant on "place where we play our drum" which i mention earlier. just ignore it. hehehehe sorry

i think "environment" / "room acoustic" can be best discuss in recording matters or to get a decent sound.

anyway, i suggest that drum owners give some review on your drums for future reference and buying guide. (a drum review from our own malaysian drummer community). let me start.

PDP FS

PROS
• i love the looks and design of it, there's a slight resemblance with DW (which is why i bought it, can't afford dw)
• price are reasonable for the quality
• i like the sound for all the toms, even with stock head (tune properly with some muffling)
• i like the ball hinges connect to the toms, more flexible to adjust
• can adjust the tightness of hi hit pedal
• surprisingly the solidness of hardware are quite decent

CONS
• I didn't dig the hanging floor tom, quite hard to position it to my liking
• Snare sound to dead for my liking
• pedal looks cheap
• hi hat pedal cannot be move/rotate

* reviews are based on my personal preference and i tried my best not to be bias.

This post has been edited by albarb: Dec 5 2010, 02:38 AM

Pearl Forum FZ Series

PROS
- Better Tom sounds with ISS mounting system by Pearl
- Good overall looks
- Very strong build quality of hardwares to drums
- Very very good P120P single pedal that comes with the package

CONS
- Quite limited sound you can get from stock stuffs
- ISS mounting system has two holders for both toms so quite hard to adjust to liking


Very objective Pros and Cons here.

I just thought it would be cheaper, but if it isn't, how much would it be at JS Music? The site doesn't seem to be too keen in listing prices

i think i;m looking for the Tama superstar normal, coz Hyperdrive and Custom is expensive right compare to the normal one?? and neway i just wanna compare them to Ludwig Epic see which one is better thnx!

PDP x7

PROS
• Price is VERY reasonable for a 7-piece drumset.
• Sound is actually quite good, which I prefer x7 over a Forum.
• Even the stock heads for toms, bass, and snare sound decent.
• Hardwares are better quality then I expected, cuz I heard a lot of bad reviews about the hardwares.
• I like the hi-hat pedal, tightness adjustable and quite sturdy.
• I love the toms set-up:- 8", 10", 12", 14", 16".
• Not to mention, the look is so stunning (at least, for me. ).

CONS
• I don't like the ball hinge thing connecting the tom. Can't support bigger tom and very hard to adjust to the position you want.
• 16" tom is very hard to tune.
• Bass drum pedal is not that responsive for me, and it moves around even though I've tighten it.

* All above based on my own opinion.

hahaha...funny la u.that was refer to a LYN member name AhBoy but if u want i can call u with that name n real AhBoy dont mind hehehe naaaa,i gv u new name la franklooi...'DrumChai' want meh? LOL

ok,enuf tu iklan....so thr is medium high end la pula huhuhu performance wise wats the dffrnt?does the drum technology also count?
i really dont want to limit myself to Yamaha but i hv limited source here.i wish can hear n look other brand of drum for real but i dont know any other drummers here (my friends more to guitar n keyboard) plus i myself dunno if Sandakan hv music instrument shop here beside my music school huhuhu any LYN mmbr from here ka or Sabahan maybe?

ok,let says for Tama, Pearl n Ludwig....what current model of them will suggested for beginner?is Mapex ok?saw its black phanter snare kinda cool but dunno how the sound since all sound record of it on Youtube i heard was horrible...blame on the recording device i guess huhuhu

She's wrong. Retail price is RM6k, which is why I can get it for you for RM5.3k.

The Yamaha Gigmaker is RM2.8k.

Even though I'm not AhBoy, I'll give a short explanation.

Some of the main differences are

- Type of wood. Take note that even though a low end drum may say they use maple, it may not be the same type of maple that is use in say for example, Tama Starclassics. Different maples, Canadian Maple, American Rock maple and Chinese maple have different tones, quality and durability.

- Mounting systems. The Tama Superstar Hyperdrive utilizes the StarCast mounting system that is used on the high end Starclassics, allowing for more sustain and more burst.

I'll elaborate more tomorrow as I have to go now. There are a few more points that I'll add in later on.

its ok,the question is for all here...yea,i know n understand bout what u mean on both points as i did read bout it somewhr but ur explanation more simple n easy for me to understand i believe each brand hv their own mounting system (which i prefer call it as technology) this is awesome,cant wait for u to continue on others point hehehe

5.3k sound good but i now feel its too high for beginner like me huhuhu i think i'd tried play Yamaha Gigmaker before...the sound just so-so for me but myb if i just want to use it for practise it can b a good beginner kit.wat u think isaac?that 2.8k isnt include cymbals rite?

That would cost you about RM2.5-RM2.7k? Estimate. Could be less. But definitely not less than RM2.3k.


The Hyperdrive is the most common Superstar there is these days, the major differences are that, the Epic's bass drum sounds much bigger than the Superstar, and you get to tune more ranges, as the Hyperdrive toms are very shallow.

Soundwise, both are great, and the Superstar packs a real punch with snare, and the Ludwig toms just sound extremely musical.

I won't comment on the Epic snare, as I sold my Epic snare to Jimmy (of Tempered Mental) before I even tuned it.

The Ludwig, is much more value for money (at almost RM 800 cheaper) than the Superstar in my opinion, and the finishes are also much better.

Of course, the Superstar mounting system is the same one as the Starclassic one, but the Ludwig comes with extremely sturdy bronze hardware.

I've used both the Superstar and the Epic relatively much and while both are great drums for the price, I find the Ludwig just that little bit more musical, that little bit better looking, and that little bit more versatile than the Superstar.

I'll post my Epic review later on.


I believe it will be a good starter kit. Yamaha's quality control is really good, as well as their customer service, so you will be receiving a quality product.

Once you save up enough to change your heads, it will definitely sound better.

RM2.8k isn't including cymbals, but it includes hardware. Do PM me for a special price if you're interested.

The way you quote.

Normally higher end drums involve more technology.

Mapex? Well it's so-so economical. Not that I'm against it, but it's a quite new established company compared to Pearl, Tama and etc. My tutor told me that they copied the same build structure from Pearl and Tama.

about price of the drum, wood, how many ply of it, play a important part.


just wondering its possible to fake a cymbal? coz I saw HHX cymbal price are way below average, that temp me buying it

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Added on December 6, 2010, 2:14 ambtw yamaha edrum are very good~

This post has been edited by AhBoy~~: Dec 6 2010, 02:14 AM