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Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V46!, The Orange Legion

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albnok
post Sep 24 2010, 01:10 PM

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lwliam: No, you really have to give more light to the sensor - by exposing 4x the shutter speed of the +2 shot.

zstan: No need dump lah. Work within the limitations, or fix the backfocus.

ieR: That is a good question too since the AF sensors are on top! That said, having 14x magnification while manual focusing will make life a lot easier.

clivengu: You can, to some extent, do manual exposure;

1) set to manual focus
2) set the aperture
3) set the EV (this will affect shutter speed)

On the contrary, it will be able to use 1/4000s if there is enough light at F1.4 ISO100.

Yes when AF is on, video will be at F3.5, not F1.4. It is a technical limitation because of the AF sensors.

mastering89: You sure or not you got focusing problem first?

yuhi: Sony is supposed to know how to do it. Though I sometimes sense that the senior Alpha technician there needs a good firing from his boss!
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post Sep 24 2010, 01:14 PM

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just read the tutorial mastering provided..

i guess i will leave my camera to the hands of the sifus here. sweat.gif
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post Sep 24 2010, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 24 2010, 02:40 PM)
lwliam: No, you really have to give more light to the sensor - by exposing 4x the shutter speed of the +2 shot.

zstan: No need dump lah. Work within the limitations, or fix the backfocus.

ieR: That is a good question too since the AF sensors are on top! That said, having 14x magnification while manual focusing will make life a lot easier.

clivengu: You can, to some extent, do manual exposure;

1) set to manual focus
2) set the aperture
3) set the EV (this will affect shutter speed)

On the contrary, it will be able to use 1/4000s if there is enough light at F1.4 ISO100.

Yes when AF is on, video will be at F3.5, not F1.4. It is a technical limitation because of the AF sensors.

mastering89: You sure or not you got focusing problem first?

yuhi: Sony is supposed to know how to do it. Though I sometimes sense that the senior Alpha technician there needs a good firing from his boss!
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Hmm, do you think C & N cameras have similar calibration technique to Sony DSLR? Because I think it will be quite hard to find a Sony center in my place as I live in Kampung. Hahaha! So might be thinking of trying it out at one of the C or N authorized service centers. tongue.gif
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post Sep 24 2010, 02:12 PM

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zstan : rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

ieR : haha i calibrate the viewfinder thingy (when not wearing specs and using MF, near all my MF shots OOF) also fail lagi la wan do this AF calibrating sweat.gif . also i had sent my a350 for cleaning before, damn lagi kotor ada la!!! if send for calibration?? doh.gif

albnok : not sure sweat.gif .
arrr when is the 35mm and 85mm comingggg vmad.gif . already got enuff $$$ scared i go spend on something else sweat.gif
hmm which shop in PJ/KL area can i go test play lens??
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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 24 2010, 01:10 PM)
lwliam: No, you really have to give more light to the sensor - by exposing 4x the shutter speed of the +2 shot.

zstan: No need dump lah. Work within the limitations, or fix the backfocus.

ieR: That is a good question too since the AF sensors are on top! That said, having 14x magnification while manual focusing will make life a lot easier.

clivengu: You can, to some extent, do manual exposure;

1) set to manual focus
2) set the aperture
3) set the EV (this will affect shutter speed)

On the contrary, it will be able to use 1/4000s if there is enough light at F1.4 ISO100.

Yes when AF is on, video will be at F3.5, not F1.4. It is a technical limitation because of the AF sensors.

mastering89: You sure or not you got focusing problem first?

yuhi: Sony is supposed to know how to do it. Though I sometimes sense that the senior Alpha technician there needs a good firing from his boss!
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LOL, it was taken back in Taiwan... so all i can do now is tweak it in PS....
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Sep 24 2010, 01:44 PM)
Want to get some advice & input about A33 video recording.

I am still considering if i want to get A33 body as my backup body for my existing A700. One of the reason i think i like to try A33 is because:

1. Liveview- open up wider shooting possibility at difficult angle. I never have used one until today and will like to try. A700 is one hard camera for stranger to help me take group photo during a trip because they will ask the same question "where is the screen.... (liveview)"? then i have to ask them look into viewfinder to snap  blush.gif

2. Video Recording- Exploring video recording. A whole new way of playing a camera.. I think more n more client will want video recording these days compare to still photos.

3. Backup body for my A700 & better high ISO handling. Was thinking the low weight A33 to be mount with 50mm prime (light fast lens) without flash, while A700 handle the general lens like 1750 or my UWA with Flash during event/wedding shooting.

Is the above reason good enough for me to get this camera? Or mayb i should invest on the 85mm F2.8 + 35mm F1.8? or A77?
I want to ask.. for Video recording .. i read a bit about its pro/cons of A33/55 video recording.. but correct me if im wrong?
- No manual control over video recording.. (all auto)
- Aperture Priority in video allow us to change aperture but there will be no AUTOFOCUS
- No Shutter Speed/ISO control during video recording... I heard the camera will automatically maintain at speed 1/60s by adjusting the ISO. So I cant do Slow down "matrix style" motion picture.. sad.gif at 1/4000 second
- When shooting video at Auto.. Aperture open at F3.5? WHY??? or some I read is it will shoot at widest aperture F1.4???

Is there any other thing i need to take note? I was thinking maybe A77 will tackle all these restriction... they just reserve the full control over for a better advance model ... hai~~

Other disadvantage over A700 i realised is its fastest shutter speed is 1/4000. When using wireless flash shooting outdoor i can use up to 1/8000 with my A700 to darken the sky.. Is there any other restriction when using Flash on A55 that i might have missed out?
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I have the same thinking.
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post Sep 24 2010, 03:17 PM

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mastering, if that view finder plate (forgot what it called) is out of snyc... then very susah eh... u have to use ur feel to know where the point is. because taht one, i also dunno how to adjust, because everytime u put themback, it sure let the spring push sengek.. lol, mine also a little off to higher, so i point something i wan in focus a little lower then af point.


Added on September 24, 2010, 3:29 pmalbnok: yealor, think think also dunno how they calibrate it... i think have to open up the whole thing, or they have electronic calibration?

yuhi: nope, same concept, difference design. but the calibration should be very similar lor. i think its really weird or shock to them if u bring S in N or C center, maybe u can ask around if any local camera shop knows how to repair it?

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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 24 2010, 01:10 PM)
clivengu: You can, to some extent, do manual exposure;

1) set to manual focus
2) set the aperture
3) set the EV (this will affect shutter speed)

On the contrary, it will be able to use 1/4000s if there is enough light at F1.4 ISO100.

Yes when AF is on, video will be at F3.5, not F1.4. It is a technical limitation because of the AF sensors.


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okey i think i get a rough idea how it works... Thanks albert.. tongue.gif But if AF on video will be at F3.5 (for all lenses?) then what will be the difference shooting video using the 50mmF1.4 and using 1750F2.8 at 50mm or 18200 lens at 50mm? all will come out the same result?

And also All the new lenses seems to have SAM...the purpose of SAM is silent focusing?? SSM= super sonic motor/ super smooth motor? So basically SAM lens are needed when shooting video just to reduce the noise.. SSM is for better transition when focusing? Last time never bother bout SAM or SSM because as long as can shoot.. is okey oredi for me..
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i'm thinking to quit dslr but dunno how much i can get with a 5 months old a330+18-55+55-200+3months old hvl-f42am+4 AA sanyo eneloop batt with charger+4gb sd sad.gif any sifus can gimme the rough figure?

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SAM=smooth autofocus motor

SSM=supersonic motor

correct me if i am wrong. and no, SAM isn't silent at all. SSM, on the other hand, is much much faster n quieter.
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clivengu : Bear in mind that some lenses such as the 18-200mm may not even have f3.5 aperture when zoomed to 50mm. I guess using a 50mm f1.4 and 17-50mm f2.8 lenses will get you pretty much the same result.

zstan : You forgot that the SSM is also much more expensive!

heizad : I don't know the exact price range for a second hand A330 plus kitlens but I doubt that you can sell much higher than RM1600 as you can get a new A290 for around RM 16xx

You may be able to re-coup more by selling the items separately:

1. Body plus 18-55mm ~RM 1600
2. 55-200mm lens ~RM500
3. F42 flash ~RM600
4. Eneloop batt ~RM??? (dunno how to price this)
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post Sep 24 2010, 05:16 PM

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yuhi: Not quite the same:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...93&changemode=1
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00NY14

clivengu: The 18-250mm certainly won't be at F3.5. wink.gif

SAM is not quiet, unfortunately, but it lets the NEX with LA-EA1 on firmware V.03 (only coming out in middle October 2010) to AF.

Also, SAM lenses are a bit 'grindy' so even in MF on the NEX bodies, the focusing ring can be heard (this according to bryanlyt.)

Therefore the best lenses for video are the SSM and ungeared, unclutched screw-drive lenses. (Clutch like the 16-80mm where the focus ring does not move when camera is auto-focusing.)
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post Sep 24 2010, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 24 2010, 05:16 PM)
yuhi: Not quite the same:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...93&changemode=1
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00NY14

clivengu: The 18-250mm certainly won't be at F3.5. wink.gif

SAM is not quiet, unfortunately, but it lets the NEX with LA-EA1 on firmware V.03 (only coming out in middle October 2010) to AF.

Also, SAM lenses are a bit 'grindy' so even in MF on the NEX bodies, the focusing ring can be heard (this according to bryanlyt.)

Therefore the best lenses for video are the SSM and ungeared, unclutched screw-drive lenses. (Clutch like the 16-80mm where the focus ring does not move when camera is auto-focusing.)
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I see. so if im to get the A33...better just get the body only because its kit SAM lens also wont do any good for me...I thought it will works better for video... SSM lens.. i can only think of the 70300G~ whistling.gif & 24-70mm f/2.8 SSM

Im screaming out loud... rclxub.gif found another reason i should buy more expensive lens..........
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Sep 24 2010, 05:23 PM)
I see. so if im to get the A33...better just get the body only because its kit SAM lens also wont do any good for me...I thought it will works better for video... SSM lens.. i can only think of the 70300G~ whistling.gif & 24-70mm f/2.8 SSM

Im screaming out loud...  rclxub.gif found another reason i should buy more expensive lens..........
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I think SAM and Screw Drive for A33/A55 wouldn't make the difference IMO ... :/
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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 24 2010, 05:16 PM)
Therefore the best lenses for video are the SSM and ungeared, unclutched screw-drive lenses. (Clutch like the 16-80mm where the focus ring does not move when camera is auto-focusing.)
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Uncluttered screw drive lenses.. Is the TOkina 1116 F2.8 one of the example? the focus ring doesnt move when auto focusing..


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QUOTE(clivengu @ Sep 24 2010, 05:35 PM)
Uncluttered screw drive lenses.. Is the TOkina 1116 F2.8 one of the example? the focus ring doesnt move when auto focusing..
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Yes. Tokina is less noisy than 18-55 SAM.
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Detailed review of the NEX-3/NEX-5 V.03 firmware!
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...re_update.shtml

clivengu: The Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC OS HSM will make an excellent companion to the A33/A55, because it has OS, so you can turn off SteadyShot and shoot 29 minute videos. biggrin.gif

However, it may need to be rechipped by Sigma - we have yet to see how it is.

You will not hear yourself manual focusing with the Sony 50mm F1.4. Dunno about the Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 though.

Also bear in mind that the longer the lens, the less practical it is for interviews - the person would be too far to hear in a crowd, unless he/she had a mike.

Does your Tokina make any sound when you manually focus it?

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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 24 2010, 06:29 PM)
Detailed review of the NEX-3/NEX-5 V.03 firmware!
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...re_update.shtml

clivengu: The Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC OS HSM will make an excellent companion to the A33/A55, because it has OS, so you can turn off SteadyShot and shoot 29 minute videos. biggrin.gif

However, it may need to be rechipped by Sigma - we have yet to see how it is.

You will not hear yourself manual focusing with the Sony 50mm F1.4. Dunno about the Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 though.

Also bear in mind that the longer the lens, the less practical it is for interviews - the person would be too far to hear in a crowd, unless he/she had a mike.

Does your Tokina make any sound when you manually focus it?
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Okey i just took out all my 3 lens and set to manual focus to test it out:

1. Tamron 1750 F2.8, LOUD Autofocus... Manual focus got this SCREW n Ki Ki Kok KOk sound... tongue.gif
2. Tokina 1116F2.8, LOUD autofocus.... manual focus smooth and silent... but HARD TO MANUAL FOCUS USING UWA~~
3. Sony 50mm F1.4, less loud but still pretty sure will record into video... Manual Focus.. Very smooth.. most effective.. and I realise it isnt tat difficult to manual focus with this lens.. tongue.gif especially i think with video.. no need to focus 100% accurate also will work.

btw.. so the A55 SSS when on during video shooting will cause the camera to overheat and can last for few minutes only? 30 minutes is very long compare to 2-3 minutes most have claimed.

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clivengu: It is claimed to record up to 9 minutes. I guess it depends on whether you've already been using it before this.

Well then, the 11-16mm will make a good video lens. And yes video with the 50mm F1.4 (at dinner) is best!
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Sep 24 2010, 07:05 PM)
btw.. so the A55 SSS when on during video shooting will cause the camera to overheat and can last for few minutes only? 30 minutes is very long compare to 2-3 minutes most have claimed.
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http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-longest...photokina-time/ - Mail 7
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“I’m in Japan and use α55.
I hope how thing buy think camera must attention about information of how long time can take movie.
in Japan,when around 30degree,
only few min can take movie.
(use anti-shake)some one 2min someone 7min.but not over 10min may be.
this camera can take good movie but can’t use like movie camera.I hope every body not misunderstanding.”

doesn't go past 10 mins hmm.gif

anyway, i found some a55 night shots here - http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=767032
i think it's taken in singapore

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