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post Sep 17 2010, 12:26 AM

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guys, STOP REPLY "new thread wow here and there" u will get holiday!


5564321: no, its the A550 LCD issue that boost too much read, on computer, the red is FINE. a lot ppl thou the red is over in A550, its not. its an A550 LCD error

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post Sep 17 2010, 12:58 PM

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5564321, did u adjust ur profile to 'vivid' setting?
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post Sep 18 2010, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(d4rkholeang3l @ Sep 18 2010, 12:00 AM)
guys, especially sifu...
wanna ask, recently my Ansmann battery used in my f42 discharge damn fast..

couldnt even last for 100 shots...

I using 360 bounce card for the flash (recently just start using )
will this cause the flash to use more power ?

I wanted to warranty the battery but the shop keeper ask me try with direct bounce first (bounce with ceiling )

he said the bounce card will cause the TTL to misread and use more power ..

tak tau betul or not..

i do understand that by bouncing, i suffer light loss , thus use more power, but will it be that significant ?

from few hundreds shots to about 50 ?
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using any modifier, usually end up with using more power.

direct uses the less power....

direct bounce are good, big bounce card are good too...

but modifier tat 'block' or 'slow/disperse' the light, take up HUGE amount of power to get the same exposure of above setting. gary fong toilet bowl, stofen, etc... take up more power.


ReasonsofThanatos: something u have to learn, there are many jealous fanboy out there, posting nonsense no source or proof speculation in other forum to mislead or spoil sony reputation. pls dont speculate more false info. thank you.


Added on September 18, 2010, 1:37 amopps, albnok answered right before me... lol.

albnok, how do u rate the EVF of A33, like compare to the feel of Nex LCD display? how does it fare up at night? i mean, human eye are marvelous creation, we can enjoy a dance show even with 1lux of light... does the EVF can see 1 lux then our eye through OVF?


Added on September 18, 2010, 1:39 am
QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 18 2010, 01:23 AM)

d4rkholeang3l: Put your F42 and 360 bounce card on the floor, pointing up. Trigger it wirelessly. set manual power of 1/8

Observe how much light goes in front, and how much goes behind the flash. Take a picture of it and show us.

The Gary Fong Lightsphere is a major light sucker (since it bounces half of the light to the back!)

And no, TTL will not be misled by bounce cards. TTL will always send one pre-flash, and detect how bright that pre-flash is through the lens (hence the TTL name) and then adjust power accordingly.
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albnok hope u dont mind. this way, it will go consistence. else the TTL will fire more but cant be felt... with manual, it can see obviously other modifier dont bring as much light into front then direct smile.gif

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post Sep 18 2010, 01:50 AM

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eddybeh, tubik tested A33 in SG, and he said, its better then nex lcd. so..... smile.gif

i have some old fuji and minolta camera... they uses EVF too, and they are terrible... i get what u mean, but u cannot generalize them since tech is improving daily tongue.gif
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post Sep 18 2010, 05:25 PM

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albnok: so its not like QLV where is has a limit of minimum light to able to see? i am afraid of this only, our eye can see real dark alley with minimum light sources... i wonder what the sensor can read...

d4rkholeang3l: the calculation of TTL is very sophisticated. u dont have to worry a thing, because IMHO, its very accurate. preflash is a consistence power fired, it will not fire more powerful preflash when it detect low light.

let me give u a more simple layman explanation.

let say for EXAMPLE, that preflash is 1/16 to ease the explanation.

when u use 1/16 power to fire direct, u get 100% of 1/16 on subject. hence the flash will fire only 1/16 power to lit up the subject.

when u bounce 1/16 power, u get lost of 40%(example) power in bounce, hence u only get about 1/32(example) light on subject, what TTL does is, it increase the power from 1/16 to 1/8(example) to give back the light on subject.

now, when u use a modifier (stofen or anything that diffuse the light by having something semi translucent, it take away more power then u think, up to 80%! (example)) hence with 1/16 power fire and left with 20% reaching the subject, the TTL detects it, and calculate it, fires 1/2 to compensate it.

the modifier will not affect TTL calculation much, but a modifier does affect how much the power is used.

so simple to say, comparing normally 1/16 power to 1/2, that is 3 times more power required, hence average of 600 shots(example), are down to 200 average shots

*let me stress it again before someone quote me per quote. the pre flash do not fires at 1/16, it was solely used as an example to ease the explanation.

jedi_master: thank for a nice review!

the EVF is great i heard from many friend who tested it, but i would like to see it myself. but from my own understanding.... the EVF has higher resolution then the Nex/A33/55 LCD display! so if u cant even see pixels on the LCD< the EVF is far more sharper (unlike pass EVF with pixelatted effect).

the iso test, cannot be used. because the iso6400 gain, increase the shutter speed drastically, under florescent lighting (they are green pulses lighting) u might capture the picture in the middle of a pulse at high speed, hence causing weird green tint and the WB somehow balance it back with yellow+magenta tint. the iso6400 and 12800 is not accountable for 64/128 iso test result. smile.gif

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post Sep 18 2010, 06:07 PM

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the weird weird: NO, u are opt to purchase the fisheye or UWA conversion filter. the 16mm just comes with 16mm.
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post Sep 19 2010, 01:36 AM

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d4rkholeang3l: hahaha u confused me with albnok? tongue.gif

albnok: oh, so there is the limit of low light, so, i would say, EVF is good on daylight, as u can review image from the EVF,... but not really good for lowlight uses (compare to OVF) and made thing worst with 1/3 stop(although its not much...)? but i am still interested to see the real thing. hope it reaches miri soon... A550 can see better at night compare to A300 (which i found out) but i hope the A33 evf can detect far more less light wink.gif

hahaha, u should know that i am really really bad with calculation... hence i mention for example, scare later u shoot me again for not getting the right figure sad.gif should have left u do the explanation tongue.gif



evilhumura, well, the stacking algorithm is a programmer thing... which i dont bother, but it as long as it works, its good alhorithm, like how the chinese old saying says, black cat, white cat, as long it catches the mouse, its a good cat.
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post Sep 19 2010, 05:25 AM

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good one albnok!

and what the heck, the 18-200 is huge! (for nex body)

and what the hell, sigma 70200 F2.8 EX DG OS HSM is 8688, this is no way to break into canon or nikon market... this make 70200G best buy F2.8 tele of the year! lol

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post Sep 19 2010, 08:09 AM

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d4rkholeang3l: hahaha dont worry bout it wink.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 10:34 PM

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mowkey, the sensor in nex, is better then A550. period. noise and color profile is better. the rest of the sharpness and photo IQ relies on what lens u going to pair it with. if u pair it with a good prime, i believe it will bring out scary IQ out of it.

i played with nex not much, but sample i gotten, is far better then my A550. so u can rest assure that, Nex is not as bad as ppl reviewed or says.


Added on September 19, 2010, 10:36 pmwingster, reduce with adobe raw? got sony IDC version? (or did u try shoot jpeg+raw, in body jpeg NR?)

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post Sep 20 2010, 12:55 PM

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Happy Birthday Ahpingko!

(btw, ur portrait shoot are good, but just that i am not fond with the editing, too much)


porkchop, Happy Birthday to you too!
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post Sep 20 2010, 05:45 PM

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evilhomura89: there is a lot of time, and reviews (even canon and nikon body review) when writing pros and cons, the writer sometimes seem to have nothing else to write about the cons, they start finding micro faults or (very)personal opinion to write.

pros, good WL ability, then con, lack of flash control? what does it means? (i am pretty sure he is trying to compare with D90/7000 in body commander mode).

* No in camera editing for still or video at all
* No art filters or fun effects

i LOL at this, even they have it, i doubt i ever will use it either. will you? and so on, time to time, u have to learn to read the cons, or even the pros (which sometimes misleads) and filter/understand the whole picture of the camera wink.gif


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post Sep 20 2010, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Sep 20 2010, 06:37 PM)
Thanks for the useful replies. I guess I'll have to visit SonyStyle to play with it.
All I wanted to get is my first DSLR that I won't regret and won't be upgrading for the next few years (5 years at least i think). Without sufficient experiences, choosing the right one can be quite hard for me as I'm not exactly sure of what I want and need.
I can't deny that the a33/55 is way to attractive with it's innovative features and not to mention that Sony did invest alot in marketing for this line. Being able to hit 7/10fps is a plus since the SLTs are similar to other DSLRs in terms of taking nice portraits and macro shots by using the right lens. In terms of IQ, i think most of the DSLRs out there are on par under good light condition and Sony EXMOR sensor proved to be quite good under low light condition with high ISO + low noise.

I have friends who are mainly N and C users thus the chances of them trying to pull me over to the N/C ship is quite high thus asking them would be useless. For some reason, I think there's a Sony fanboy in me.  blush.gif

All i know for sure at the moment is either sacrifice battery life for smaller light body or vice versa.

Based on the cons, i don't understand the following
* Way too many warnings, lockouts, and restrictions on too many of the A33's features - What kinds of restriction?
* Limited flash control Isn't there like "Auto, On, Off, Red-Eye, Slow Sync, High Speed Sync, Rear Curtain, Fill-in, Wireless"?
* Very limited customization in the menu system, no room for the learning and growing photographer to expand I don't get this at all
* No spot toggle for AEL err??
* Focus Magnifier could have been designed better (shuts off when you half press the shutter, difficult to use at times) Don't understand either
* Manual doesn't have enough details details like??


Added on September 20, 2010, 6:40 pmbtw, ahpingko & porkchop, happy birthday!!
take more nice photos!!
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i. restriction like, iso cant be set in panasweep mode (when u press iso button in panasweep mode)... lol, on other brand, when u meet restriction, they just keep quiet, a way to avoid confrontation. i wish sony can give a selection to turn off the help/warning... so when we press the iso button, it just ignore us... we human automatic knows, that button dont work. LOL.

ii. that is the thing, first it say, got good WL function, then say limited, WTF. what the hell he talking about? i bet is he comparing with nikon D90/7000 inbody commander mode.

iii. well, like nikon, they can customise their Fn button or extra button laying around for special function. DOF preview, pre flash test etc etc.

iv. well, he is, again, comparing a rm2499rrp camera with a rm4xxxrrp camera.

v. this is an issue that i understand, i rate it as firmware issue that can be fix. let wait for new firmware.

vi. that why i say, some reviewer are like that, future more, this guy who wrote this, had a big issue with sony last time, now he is still resent sony... sad.gif
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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 20 2010, 07:11 PM)
zstan: Secret!

ahpingko: I feel like if the vignetting was not there #1 and #2 would obviously have so-so framing. Would prefer #4 from straight on.

Happy birthday!

porkchop: Happy birthday!

wingster: The A33 does 7 FPS (Speed Priority), 6 FPS (Continuous High) and 2.5 FPS (Continuous Low); the A55V does 10 FPS (Speed Priority), 6 FPS (Continuous High) and 3 FPS (Continuous Low). Refer to page 116 of the A33/A55V manual. biggrin.gif

I don't think people care for the Continuous High or Continuous Low options enough to write about them. biggrin.gif

Also... do you think the A560/A580 will not have the overheating with SteadyShot in video? A lot of the cons in the A33/A55 apply to the A560/A580 also... people just forget to imply them.

deanmalenko: Okay lah can be cleaner, a slightly faster shutter speed would help.

evilhomura89: You might not care for most of the things he puts in his cons - I know I don't!

You don't even see the problems he does. Carl Gerrard is a very old school photographer. Some people fuss about 2 Second MLU while we don't care. There is no mirror slap on the A33/A55 so MLU does not matter.

Restrictions are what you get when you first play with the A550 and NEX bodies - you cannot use Auto HDR with RAW for example.

Spot Meter AEL Toggle was a function you could activate in the A100/A700/A850/A900. Press AEL while pointing your spot meter circle, and it will change to Spot Metering, on what you were pointed at, and then you can recompose.
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lucky carl gerrard did not write "no MLU" in cons... then i really have to slap my face... doh.gif doh.gif

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shootkk: i think camera soon will be a very personal possession... design to fit some, but not all. A33 definitely not meant for u. because, myself dont feel it too. but it does meant it not for others... many of my friend loves the small size and are not bothered with the size or grip, or look, or evf, infact they loves it. LOL wink.gif

QUOTE(Strik3 @ Sep 21 2010, 11:11 AM)
While we're on the topic of lenses, I'd like to check with you guys because this is what I feel about premium F2.8 lenses eg CZ1635, 2470, 70200G.

While their output is somewhat better than non-premium lenses, I think that their weight detracts the photographer a bit. Furthermore, they cost an arm and a leg too.

Some may say it is a matter of getting used to it but I think that having lenses which are lighter will let the photographer concentrate on the shooting than being bogged down by a heavy lens.

Anyone here feels that way?
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what i feel about BMW and Merc, is that, they weight so much, (lucky, they have a choice of 24mp engine to power them) and consume so much petrol(memory space), cost u an arm and leg... but i still see whole street of rich people driving it.

Anyone here feels that way?

tongue.gif agree?

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post Sep 22 2010, 12:57 PM

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ohh love this discussion.

to make OVF with translucent is NOT hard... all they have to do, add 1 more translucent mirror LOL!

so it goes like this, the ori mirro stay, reflect the rest of image upwards, then using another mirror, have 70% pass through into a prism/OVF, then the reflected from 2nd mirror goes to the AF module! w00t!!!!!!!!!!!


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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Sep 22 2010, 01:41 PM)
From what I understand here, is it something like the image below??
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no it can be done better,... with PRISM tongue.gif something i have in mind is like this....
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Sep 22 2010, 03:40 PM)
Finally yesterday I get to try A33. I think my comment will be mostly similar with those who have tried it:

1. First impression.. WOW smaller than expectation (eventhough i heard of this many time oredi).. but the grip should b quite comfortable (hard to really feel it because of the stupid big cable thing attached below the camera in sonystyle)
2. my finger has a bit problem searching for the front Scroll.. basically need to adjust my holding position in order to reach the scroll..
3.  control works fine for me.. easy access to important setting Like WB n ISO.
4.  Liveview = cool...maybe I have not really tried out the A550 liveview so this seems to be super cool & new for me.. hehe
5. electronic Viewfinder= First when I look into it, I find it very uncomfortable.. hard to immediately get use to it... when pointing to my friend's face.. it has a weird "red" to it... it just feel very digital..but amazing thing is whatever the liveview lcd can do, the EVF can do it.. Play back etc...WB & all settings. Again... because i so used to OVF it takes a while to get comfortable... But i bet most who bought this camera will rely on the LCD most of the time.
6. Focusing speed is amazing.. test it on walking people and moving my fingers in front of the camera.
7. Couldnt Test the VIDEO.. why cant sony just put a Memory card in it. After all its strong point is VIDEO for this camera
8. I hate the ISO setting Jumping from 800 to 1600 directly (same like my old A100) but nevertheless , Iso 1600 is completely usable.
9. This one I am not too certain.. But i Find focusing a little bit difficult when comes to low contrast object.....example shooting a pea on the table.. the center focusing is aiming quite close at middle of the green pea.. is difficult to focus.. I have to move the focus point to the edge of the peas to get the focus "beep". I believe my A700 can easily handle that.

Will I buy this?? I still not sure...I have to research more about video because this will be a camera which i like to explore on its video capability. The different Battery(heard is weak on A33/55) & memory card compare to my A700 also a thing that hold me back from buying. A quick question: is it only advisable to shoot video using the SSM lens(with autofocus)? so that the focusing transition will not be so erupt ?
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clive, u are used to A7-series above model, the setting inside are all for seasonal shooter (ppl who know how to use thier camera in every inch of the menu)... A33/55 is still consider a enchanced entry, where menu selection are base for new people. imagine u have 1/3step for iso in A33... i bet my uncle who just brought the A33 will be damn confused.
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ROFL* la
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post Sep 22 2010, 05:33 PM

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zstan: dont get confused. when it mention that has 1/3stop lost of light, it doesnt mean that 30% goes to reflection(or reflection is only 30% light).... they NEVER mention that reflected angle is how many % of light, from my knowlegde, it could be 100% reflect up, because its reflect, not pass through.

the only pass through is the 2nd mirror into the prism, where it will have lost of 30% light.

evilhumor design may have better because the pass through is into the AF module, and the eye gets the 100% reflection. but do u still wan tiny OVF like A300/550? (penta mirror?)


Added on September 22, 2010, 5:35 pmfor those who celebrate mid autumn fest, wish u guys happy mooncake festival and prepare to shoot moon tonight wor.


Added on September 22, 2010, 5:36 pmEH, why not tonight's pic SPAM, is all about MOON? dont care u use 18mm or 50mm or 800mm.... moon is tonight's spam?

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