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Serious Relationship with sex VS Non sex relationship., Boys and Girls, pls comment.

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post Dec 17 2010, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Dec 17 2010, 12:44 AM)
oh oh oh no no I'm not the greatest woman a man can have, but I at least make an effort not to be shallow like the rest of my gender.
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self praise...i like it rclxms.gif These things didnt happen to either of us to know what we will do, but yet u are already stereotyping.
just because ppl dont see it your way, she became shallow thumbup.gif
Your logic is NO 1 wub.gif
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post Dec 17 2010, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(wilz @ Sep 2 2010, 01:25 AM)
But she told me, without sex she just thinks that there's limitation to her relationship. Love with a capping could make feel not enough love. Therefore, sex is needed to maintain a relationship. I was so surprise with that line from her mouth.

Give me an urge to tell her you're outstanding!
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I agree with your friend. Whats up with the limitations tongue.gif

As Bruce Lee said, "Using no way as way, Having no limitation as limitation"

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post Dec 17 2010, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Dec 17 2010, 03:13 AM)
self praise...i like it  rclxms.gif These things didnt happen to either of us to know what we will do, but yet u are already stereotyping.
just because ppl dont see it your way, she became shallow  thumbup.gif
Your logic is NO 1  wub.gif
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who said anything about you?
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post Dec 17 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(beederbest @ Dec 16 2010, 02:21 AM)
I think relationship without sex last longer. those with sex usually end up earlier. hump and dump they called it.
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In my humble opinion, this impression is caused by selection bias. There are 4 possible scenarios for the development of a relationship.

1. They do not have sex and the relationship lasts a long time.
2. They do have sex and the relationship lasts a long time.
3. They do not have sex and the relationship lasts a short time.
4. They do have sex and the relationship lasts a short time.

From what I've seen, all these scenarios are perfectly possible, and to be frank, I think having sex or not does not impact the length of the relationship.

However, many people have the following perception:

If 1 or 2 happens, people don't think much of it. The couple is happy and all is fine.

If 3 happens, people ascribe the breakup to other reasons, maybe character differences or arguments or whatever. However when 4 happens, people tend to ascribe the breakup to having sex and "use and dump" etc. Now this is obviously selection bias, as there are many possible reasons for a breakup, even when sex is occurring.

Now, the thing is "use and dump" may only consist of 10 percent of the breakup reasons, but people keep focusing on them and talking about them. Other reasons like incompatibility, falling out of love or bad tempers tend to be regarded as "mundane" and not worth noticing.

The analogy is that shark attacks kill less than 100 people every year while asthma kills millions, but shark attacks get big headlines in the newspaper.
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post Dec 18 2010, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Dec 17 2010, 08:04 PM)
who said anything about you?
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?? DId i say you were talking about me? whistling.gif
So u r huh.....else why would u think so? shocking.gif


Added on December 18, 2010, 12:08 am
QUOTE(sparda @ Dec 17 2010, 11:11 PM)
In my humble opinion, this impression is caused by selection bias. There are 4 possible scenarios for the development of a relationship.

1. They do not have sex and the relationship lasts a long time.
2. They do have sex and the relationship lasts a long time.
3. They do not have sex and the relationship lasts a short time.
4. They do have sex and the relationship lasts a short time.

From what I've seen, all these scenarios are perfectly possible, and to be frank, I think having sex or not does not impact the length of the relationship.

However, many people have the following perception:

If 1 or 2 happens, people don't think much of it. The couple is happy and all is fine.

If 3 happens, people ascribe the breakup to other reasons, maybe character differences or arguments or whatever. However when 4 happens, people tend to ascribe the breakup to having sex and "use and dump" etc. Now this is obviously selection bias, as there are many possible reasons for a breakup, even when sex is occurring.

Now, the thing is "use and dump" may only consist of 10 percent of the breakup reasons, but people keep focusing on them and talking about them. Other reasons like incompatibility, falling out of love or bad tempers tend to be regarded as "mundane" and not worth noticing.

The analogy is that shark attacks kill less than 100 people every year while asthma kills millions, but shark attacks get big headlines in the newspaper.
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Yeap agree. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 18 2010, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(incognitaz @ Sep 13 2010, 03:02 PM)
I hope I'm not late to comment on this smile.gif

I have a different point of view regarding sex and relationship. I believe, people can have sex without relationship and vice versa.

I'm 27. At my age, sex is a strong biological need. When I don't have any girlfriend, I satisfy the urge by masturbating. I never tried and has no interest to prostitution. Occasionally, I have sex with like-minded girls who want to have sex with no string attached. The funny thing is, I still in contact with them (so it's not one night stand, never did any).

When I have a girlfriend, I express my sexual desire with her. If she happen to be a virgin, and doesn't ready to have sex, I resort to masturbation, and making out with her. The thing is, since I love her so much, I respect her sexual preference (that is, no sex).

I'm not perfect. I once had a girlfriend who refused to have sex with me. She's not a virgin (she had sex a couple of times before with her ex), but she "realized that sex before marriage is not good thus no longer want to do it again". I was like.. WTF? Why when with me suddenly you become a saint? Eventually we had sex smile.gif The thing is, I want "justice". For me, it's not fair if she did it with her ex but not with me. I told you I'm not perfect.

With all the girls I've had relationship with (sex and no sex), did sex has something to do with the break up? Hardly. I had a girl who's very good at pleasing me. But we broke up because she's too demanding (she had me choose between a new job with 2x salary increment and staying nearby her <-- the new job still in the same city!).

Conclusion: For those who treat sex as "special" (will only do in marriage), find someone who share your belief. You're not wrong. For those who treat sex as "just another activity", don't overrate it.
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aww...thought of commenting here but u edi said it all. =) the only difference is, i dun have any willing partner. lul
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post Dec 18 2010, 03:46 AM

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maybe this depends on the couple,..
who would like sex to be before their marriage or after they married,..
sum couples do enjoy sex in their relation, but maybe sum dun,..
maybe the couple that dun enjoy feel sinned,..
or maybe they don't enjoy it,..(do we have this kind,lulz)
my point is every human has its kind, different..
not everybodi same, so that why we sumtimes hard enuf to stay longer in their relationship,..
tepuk dada, tanya selera,..
mau ka tak mau,..
juz my 2cents..
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post Dec 20 2010, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(evanesence117 @ Sep 4 2010, 04:49 PM)
well I don't know but to me I think a relationship could make do without sex, I feel the other more important factors like communication, shared interest and so on are more important, I feel the emotional connection is more important than a physical one. when a courtship turns into a sex fest that is just plain lust not love
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Finally one of the wise replies spotted.

QUOTE(onelove89 @ Sep 6 2010, 08:57 PM)
I reckon sex and marriage are sacred, and first time sex should be after marriage. I support abstinence all the way =P of course, this road is not easy as there'll be a lot of temptations, no doubt.
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Another wise reply here.

QUOTE(spunkberry @ Sep 19 2010, 02:51 AM)
I love how people use "this is the 21st century" as a reason. It's not a good enough reason. Give me something better.
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People nowadays want things to go FAST, they don't like to wait, they don't like to endure suffering, they don't like to resist temptations; and therefore they are impatient to wait until marriage.

QUOTE(hannjack @ Sep 19 2010, 03:07 PM)
Hey , what else do you need better ? We don't do things following the trend , but we do things according to ERA.
IE, we work smart & study smart, instead of working &  studying hard like during the 1980s

As time passes, we need to adapt overselves to all the new changes in our surrounding, you can choose to don't accept it, but eventually you'll still accept the fact that the society is changing.

I don't HELL care what's 21st century or what , i just do it because I WANT IT . simple .
i didnt say its a must or a trend dude, we are resposible to ourselves, We do things because we know we need it .
and of course, love must come before sex among the relationship ,ONS & etc is different topic. =)
hhhaha good one , do things like a PIRATE XDD
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The world is changing every day, changing to be better or worse is another case. Resisting temptation is never easy, I know, but it should not be a reason why you want to follow what others are doing in this 20th century, releasing the urge of sex before marriage, right?

QUOTE(Anime-FAN @ Sep 28 2010, 03:51 AM)
For me, I'd had sex for all my relationships I've been through before. For me without sex the relationships is meaningless. What I've been through is that we bond better and more with sex.
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If it is meaningful to have sex before marriage, then these gals will not be your EX now, right?

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 20 2010, 10:57 AM)
Finally one of the wise replies spotted.
Another wise reply here.
People nowadays want things to go FAST, they don't like to wait, they don't like to endure suffering, they don't like to resist temptations; and therefore they are impatient to wait until marriage.
The world is changing every day, changing to be better or worse is another case. Resisting temptation is never easy, I know, but it should not be a reason why you want to follow what others are doing in this 20th century, releasing the urge of sex before marriage, right?
If it is meaningful to have sex before marriage, then these gals will not be your EX now, right?
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+1 to all your comments.
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post Dec 20 2010, 07:49 PM

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it is proven that, people can have sex without love or being in a relationship (not that i condone it).

similarly, it is also proven that, people can be in love or in a great relationship without sex.

sex in a relationship matters to some (when either/both partner has sex spike/drives) but the minute a partner has to ask for it just doesn't seem right to me. if both partners have high sexual desires, good for them. if both are of different extremes, there must be an understanding between both parties to practice moderation so that everyone can function happily. same goes for other craves, if your gf/bf/spouse craves midnight snacks or supper, you must give in sometimes or suprise him/her even if you despise eating late at night.

everybody loves suprises. if you want someone to treat you right or push your right buttons, you must also understand him/her and do the same.

happy couples/partners play together - be it sex, sports, food, movies etc. or just plain staring at the stars.

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post Dec 21 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(evanesence117 @ Sep 4 2010, 04:49 PM)
well I don't know but to me I think a relationship could make do without sex, I feel the other more important factors like communication, shared interest and so on are more important, I feel the emotional connection is more important than a physical one. when a courtship turns into a sex fest that is just plain lust not love
QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 20 2010, 10:57 AM)
Finally one of the wise replies spotted.
What makes you think sex is not an emotional connection? biggrin.gif

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post Dec 21 2010, 05:39 PM

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well, a bit too late for me to have a non sex relationship with my 1st gf (ex) and 2nd gf (current) but in the event that my current relationship fails.

and should i am pre-destined to be in a relationship again, i will attempt to have a non-sex relationship.

well, especially if the girl is 20 y/o and is a virgin. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Dec 21 2010, 05:39 PM)
well, a bit too late for me to have a non sex relationship with my 1st gf (ex) and 2nd gf (current) but in the event that my current relationship fails.

and should i am pre-destined to be in a relationship again, i will attempt to have a non-sex relationship.

well, especially if the girl is 20 y/o and is a virgin. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 21 2010, 05:41 PM)
Hell...like we will believe you.
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meh.
i dun need you to believe me anyway.

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Dec 21 2010, 05:39 PM)
well, a bit too late for me to have a non sex relationship with my 1st gf (ex) and 2nd gf (current) but in the event that my current relationship fails.

and should i am pre-destined to be in a relationship again, i will attempt to have a non-sex relationship.

well, especially if the girl is 20 y/o and is a virgin. laugh.gif
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I belif and so sure that on the 1st week u go out with ur so called next gf, you wills trip the hell out of her if u found out she's a virgin!! If she's not den diff case....
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post Dec 21 2010, 09:34 PM

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Just a diff way of thinking

A relationship that build up with sex ...
imagine, u feel like wan to communicate with him/her, u dont talk but go to bed....
i wonder how both know more bout each other except knowing more bout his/her physical body

It is even a doubt if love is exist in the first place.

QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Dec 21 2010, 05:44 PM)
meh.
i dun need you to believe me anyway.
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Dont worry bout those who uncapable to resist temptation and keep look for excuse to cover their wrong doing while expecting others to agree as well
I molest my 1st from the start coz of lulz then later realize i was really wrong...
and i never did that to my 2nd
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don't give sex too soon. guys just won't appreciate it. same goes to girls too.
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QUOTE(princess_s @ Dec 21 2010, 10:05 PM)
don't give sex too soon. guys just won't appreciate it.
If you give me sex, I will appreciate it very very much. brows.gif


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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Dec 17 2010, 04:13 PM)
self praise...i like it  rclxms.gif These things didnt happen to either of us to know what we will do, but yet u are already stereotyping.
just because ppl dont see it your way, she became shallow  thumbup.gif
Your logic is NO 1  wub.gif
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Are you sarcastic? Cause I highly agree with her. I'm from KL, studying in Singapore. And after being there for almost 2 years, believe me, MAlaysian girls (most, not all) are pretty close-minded.

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Dec 22 2010, 01:17 PM)
If you give me sex, I will appreciate it very very muchbrows.gif
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Haha.



I think that sex is something that really bonds two people. It's not an absolute must in a relationship, but wouldn't you agree that the more open you are to your partner, the closer both of you will get? And opening up your open to him/her is ONE of the ways.

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QUOTE(wildcat90 @ Dec 22 2010, 01:33 PM)
I think that sex is something that really bonds two people. It's not an absolute must in a relationship, but wouldn't you agree that the more open you are to your partner, the closer both of you will get? And opening up your open to him/her is ONE of the ways.
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Yeap. That's what I think of it too. To me its also very emotional.

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