3D transistor or better put is called FinFET. Tri Gate is just what Intel calls its form of FinFET and Intel did not invent the idea. It is already according to research that it will be implemented around 2x nm for CPU. There are different types of FinFet and Tri Gate is only one type. Since Intel implemented Tri Gate doesn't mean that AMD can't. Same goes for HyperThreading which AMD can put it in Bulldozer and have a similar design like Intel but they decided to go with a different design instead. Congrats to Intel though for being the first to actually have a production ready CPU with FinFET.

Can buy the FX-8130P now for 1998 Yuan. link

Looks like Bulldozer is delayed and production will begin by August and on sale by September only. link


This post has been edited by dma0991: May 31 2011, 05:15 AM

Did you hear that?It's the simultaneous facepalm of people around the globe...

Well it is never a good thing to have something delayed especially something that many are anticipating but some said that it was never a delay as AMD never specified officially when it would be launched. AMD did say 2011 but not an accurate date of release. It's going to hurt AMDs chance and their time frame to sell their CPU till Ivy comes out is cut short by 2-3 months.

If the earlier leaked benchmarks showed good performance, just why do AMD need to dump B0 and B1 chips? How many thousand chips were trashed?

If the South Korean patent successfully invalidates Intel's, then that is very good news for everyone.

3D Transistors? We Don't Need 'Em, AMD's Foundry Says
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384927,00.asp
Interesting article.

Updated news for the delay of Bulldozer.
Triple facepalm.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: May 31 2011, 10:59 AM

Always take leaked benches with a grain of salt. They are most of the time Photoshop-ed images and even I could do it if I want to create FUD. AMD themselves are not silly to actually produce the chips in thousands just to realize that they are not meeting expectation. If that was the case then AMD would just sell the chips with the previous stepping as trashing thousands of sale worthy chips is a waste to AMD. Those stepping are running at low speed and most probably AMD now has the green light at this stepping to mass produce their chips.

I don't see how is that good news when it will only hinder Intel slightly from actually selling their 22nm node with Tri Gate. Intel is not a small corporation like AMD. If Intel wants something and they find that it benefits their pockets in the long run they can just buy out the Korean patent and AMD does not have the capacity to do that. Intel needs it so that they can compete with ARM as Tri Gate will benefit stuff like Atom the most instead of Ivy Bridge.

I am quite sure that AMD will have FinFET as well by the time they reach 20nm. GloFlo is currently R&D for the technology but will not be available till 2013 or later if there are no delays. As an example there is also a different variation of FinFET which is not Tri Gate. So in actual fact there is absolutely no reason why AMD can't have it on their CPU.

AMD will have to sell Bulldozer eventually so September is not that far. It's better that AMD delays a few months to work out the problems rather than having to recall their CPU or having many unsatisfied customers by selling a inferior product. By the time AMD releases their CPU with the latest stepping their 32nm should mature a bit more.

Rather than repeating the history of Intel.


Weird Llano mobo, without any display output.
Asus's engineers got problem? ?

That and the fact that 1 billion in recalls might be a big loss to AMD in money and reputation.

Llano is out officially so its not all that bad actually. If AMD really did not release anything at all during Computex then they deserve an epic facepalm. Would be nice to see some A75 board + Llano based recommendations competing against the Core i3 2100 in the low price range while waiting for Bulldozer to be an alternative to the i5 and i7.

heard that Bulldozer 2nd gen will be available next year 2012.
AMD currently refers to this as Enhanced Bulldozer..

Yeah.

AMD will release new mobile platform in 2012. Their official roadmaps are released already.

Comal and Deccon, these 2 new platforms will target performance and entry segment. Comal platform will be powered by Trinity, Weatherford and Richland APU. The
later 1 will use Krishna and Wichita APU. Performance wise, it will stronger than Llano APU.

Specification.

Chipset.


Sapphire 990FX Pure.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: May 31 2011, 03:05 PM

Sapphire 990FX Pure.. nice next year ivy oso release. so, i think, amd aware of this... then the new bulldozer will counter it

from this, start to feel amd bulldozer achitecture performance is not superior than intel.

wow, sapphire board, rare to see.

This post has been edited by saturn85: May 31 2011, 03:30 PM

Too sad, the Sapphire mobo does not support SLi.

Sapphire A75 Pure.

erk... then crossfire?

AMD could have released the slow BD processors as low-end CPUs. That would sate those who don't mind a low end BD processor while whetting the people's appetite for faster BDs and making it worthwhile for manufacturers to sell all the AM3+ motherboards that they have been showing off.

For crying out loud, the motherboard manufacturers are already showing off ready boards! And you want to make your partners wait for many more months?

I think that motherboard manufacturers only shows their boards at Computex and not in full production yet. Even the X79 boards are out but SB-E is still not out yet. Most probably SB-E will be out at the same time as BD if it is certain that BD WILL launch at September. Now the problem with that is the competition is going to be hard on AMD at that point in time when SB-E appears.

Even without BD yet I'm sure many others with AM3 processors can drop in theirs into the AM3+ socket of the new board while they wait for BD to come out by September. Let's just hope that Llano is promising enough to cover up for Bulldozer's lateness.

is this also another sapphire prototype one? since bro dma0991 said it not fully production.

This post has been edited by pandera999: May 31 2011, 11:11 PM

What I mean by full production is that all the manufacturers are at full production capacity to make that particular motherboard. It doesn't happen at launch/announcement and would usually take a month. Also during launch/announcement there is no retail availability of the board, meaning it is not sold at your local shops at time of launch.

A prototype/concept will be stated by the manufacturer themselves. An example is the LGA2011 board, ASUS Danshui Bay.

Bulldozer APU.





Bulldozer demo?

Lucid Virtu now supports AMD platform, aka Virtu Universal now.


Virtu Universal got new feature, that's Virtual Vsync.

Supports all DX9, 10 and 11 games.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 1 2011, 05:24 PM

looks..... kinda wierd.... something is off on the PCie layout and it could do with more Sata ports.. i thought they changed the retention brackets on the new AM3+ platform???