And you think that AMD is not going for those as well? They are going for that but it is slightly slower due to the fact that they do not have enough money for R&D therefore they would be behind Intel in this. AMD will implement 3D FinFET when they are going for 20nm. HKMG was implemented long ago already and will be a part of every Intel and AMD processors.

Adding all that to their 32nm process along with a new architecture and new manufacturing process will just make yields lower. That is why Intel implements their Tick Tock because they think it is too risky to include die shrink and new architecture together as it will reduce yield. If there is no performance gain from a smaller process then they would usually stick to the cheaper and easier to produce bigger process. Take for example the H67/P67/Z68 chipset which is made on a bigger manufacturing process instead of following SB at 32nm because there is no performance increase for the chipset to be smaller.

Again you are correct, I assume it is okay to be lagged behind because everyone has his own pace to follow.

Waiting for bulldozer bechmarks for me its like watching a horse race whereby intel is a very well known race horse, with its jokey riding high on it wearing nothing but women red high heels. And bulldozer is juzt a very mad spanish alpha bull. Excited but kindda expected.

It is not okay for AMD or GloFo to be more than a generation behind Intel. No matter how good your engineers are at extracting every little bit of performance for a given process node, it is almost impossible for them to make a 90nm to be a 65nm's equal or a 65nm to be 45nm's equal. Sandy Bridge's biggest and primary advantage over AMD's current offerings is the process node. Remove that and Intel will feel very uncomfortable.

Also, AMD's total revenue is Intel's R&D budget. AMD is doing an amazing job when all things are considered. Here's to hoping that they can keep it up.

Intel is the leader when it comes to smaller manufacturing process in the semiconductor industry. However this trend cannot continue for long as the limit for silicon is near, I won't mention numbers here even though I know because the future is still unknown but we will not be going beyond or near 1nm I can guarantee that. They have to find some other ways to improve other than reduce the manufacturing node.

If BD is released and it doesn't show a strong single threaded performance against SB then it is within my assumption as well because BD is a server based CPU and will be stronger in terms of multithreaded applications. AMD aims to reclaim the server market with BD so I am not surprised at all. But of course I hope there would be some kind of silicon fairy dust they can throw in that makes it an all rounder champion.

Actually the new material is in R&D to replace silicon, named Gallium arsenide (GaAs).

Llano mobile processor models leaked :


Bulldozer clock speed is leaked too :
FX-8130P, 3.8GHz, turbo boost to 4.2GHz
FX-8110, 3.6GHz, turbo boost to 4.0GHz

Source : chiphell.com

AMD launched new G-series processor
T40E, 2 cores, 1GHz, 1MB L2, HD6250, 6.4W TDP
T40R, 1 core, 1GHz, 1MB L2, HD6250, 5.5W TDP.

Second batch of Bulldozer leaked :
They will be available in market in September.

If the trend continues for long enough and companies like AMD fade even more into obscurity, it won't matter even if the manufacturing process halts at 5nm. Because alternative technologies would probably have a higher initial capital requirement. If that initial cost is high enough, nobody is going to be able to compete against Intel and Intel just might be able to create a new form of monopoly. However I might be wrong.

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Added on May 23, 2011, 6:27 pmGaAs will do very little to decrease the process size. Atoms range from about 0.11nm to 20nm in width. Molecules will be larger.

But newer materials may allow for higher frequency chips. GaAs might help with that. There have also been research in using manufactured diamonds, that are more flawless than natural diamonds, to provide another replacement to the venerable silicon. It would be nice to see single cores hitting past 10 GHz.

This post has been edited by everling: May 23 2011, 06:27 PM

The trend would not continue long enough I think. Next year will be 22nm then 14nm and most probably 10nm and 6nm is the last from Intel. What comes after I am not so sure. Even if it requires a high initial investment in R&D in new materials the cost will be passed down to the consumer. One of the reasons why going smaller with silicon is not the best way as it gets more expensive and like I said cost to consumer. The material that replaces silicon should be cheaper or at least comparable in terms of price and manufacturing in order to maintain a price that many consumers can benefit from.

Although it is true that Intel is Chipzilla and they are very good in what they do but it won't help them if the market is trending towards the mobile and ARM is the dominant processor in that segment due to its low power consumption. When it comes to the mobile, less power consumption is more important than more performance. To put into perspective Intel has to put all kinds of special methods like the recent Tri Gate and 22nm or smaller just to compete with the plain 40nm ARM. If Intel doesn't improve Atom soon they will be left behind but since they have tons of cash that may not be true.

As for BD, AMD has their direction and I am sure they know what market they are targeting, I can elaborate but too lazy to type.

er.... spec same like C-50 except for TDP!

By 2014, you might have the choice of choosing an ARM chip or a full spec Ivy Bridge successor for the same power envelope and heat generation. Well, that's quite a hyperbole, but it is plausible. If Intel can successfully increase their process technology lead ahead of the ARM competition, you might eventually find x86 chips in your routers, TVs and cars instead of your traditional ARM chips by 2020.

Global Foundries might then be Intel's biggest spoilers (maybe 5% of the market? ), as they could function as the go to semiconductor fabricator for high performance ARM. By virtue of having process technology that is only a generation or a few behind Intel, instead of several generations behind that most cheaper and smaller fabs would be.

They(Intel) can either blame themselves or Microsoft for halting the development of OS & softwares. I mean how long we are stucking @ keyboard and mouse click interface? Since Win95, there isnt much change in Human computer interaction. Right now u are still typing words with your decade old technology keyboard under quad core CPU and the lazy factor are halting u to elaborate further. With Quad core and Hex core today we could have OS with AI assistant, using Microsoft kinect interact with computer.(they potting it to PC but they didnt really promote it for window usage). Software and hardware industry something useful the OS, u think consumer wont buy this kind of gadget? Look at what Nintendo Wii had done.

have u ever see Intel putting big resources in software development in order to secure the x86 performance demand? Not much.

This post has been edited by billytong: May 24 2011, 09:21 AM

12 hours with 3G Chromebook coming?

mind share the link sifu?

cant see the pic...

2nd batch have lower number.
probably with lower speed?

AMD 990FX Preview - Waiting for Bulldozer

Fusion strategy


Llano APU for the mobile segment. 4 cores + 400 SP @ 444MHz with only a 45W TDP.

wasnt sabertooth for intel platform?
i am not so sure. last i remembered it was on intel platform. that is a pretty board tho. Subtle and none too flashy

yes, there are asus sabertooth for intel sandy bridge as well.

haha, sabertooth colour theme got army uniform feel.

Atleast they removed the black plate
But IMO , Sabertooth doesn't looks like a good colour scheme for AMD XD
ROG looks nice on them...

Omg.
The retail version of Llano is released already.
A6-3650 and A8-3850 are able to be oc-ed to 4GHz without increasing voltage.

Nice voltage.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: May 30 2011, 01:59 PM

Nice Voltage indeed