thanks for posting the crash video. at least now i know the place i need to worry the most for an accident are my knees mostly.
also, al-fatihah.
PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11, version eleven
PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11, version eleven
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Feb 21 2011, 11:01 PM
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thanks for posting the crash video. at least now i know the place i need to worry the most for an accident are my knees mostly.
also, al-fatihah. |
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Feb 22 2011, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 21 2011, 09:59 PM) hi, Your description is funny, like bomb explosion.sorry to ask for the second time,when i on the aircond when slowing down, i hear sound like "gruk!" and then grek2 a while and then all ok, it is ok right? the gruk2 sound and grek2.. Normal 'gud'... This compressor is damn powerful, but break in torque is very high, around 35Nm of torque consume to start the compressor, which is mechanical loss, and suitable for 1600cc and above car, but not our 1.3 campro. During slowdown let say @ <2k rpm, our engine only produce ~90-100Nm torque, thats why when compressor kickin, you will feel jerk (especially manual), torqueless becos >30% torque suddenly took away by compressor. |
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Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM
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Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue.
Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in? |
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Feb 22 2011, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 12:09 PM) Your description is funny, like bomb explosion. so sorry about my poor english Normal 'gud'... This compressor is damn powerful, but break in torque is very high, around 35Nm of torque consume to start the compressor, which is mechanical loss, and suitable for 1600cc and above car, but not our 1.3 campro. During slowdown let say @ <2k rpm, our engine only produce ~90-100Nm torque, thats why when compressor kickin, you will feel jerk (especially manual), torqueless becos >30% torque suddenly took away by compressor. ic, thanks for the explanation sorry coz i ask too many question,this is my first car, i dont know a lot of thing about car, im still learning about it Added on February 22, 2011, 2:05 pm QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM) Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue. i google around if grounding can solve th problem, correct me if im wrong Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in? This post has been edited by MildLO: Feb 22 2011, 02:08 PM |
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Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM
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Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM).
So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk. |
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Feb 22 2011, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM) Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM). i dont know much about car, but i agree with u about the jerk So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk. |
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Feb 22 2011, 03:15 PM
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no one can help my prob huh? thanks guys
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Feb 22 2011, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(kibs @ Feb 22 2011, 03:15 PM) Accelerator pedal vibrating? It's an electronic throttle so there is no mechanical link with the engine. I don't understand how it can happen.MildLO, apparently the jerk isn't so bad in an auto car. I have never driven a Myvi though before so I wouldn't know. This post has been edited by lhwj: Feb 22 2011, 03:23 PM |
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Feb 22 2011, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 03:21 PM) Accelerator pedal vibrating? It's an electronic throttle so there is no mechanical link with the engine. I don't understand how it can happen. i drove my gf myvi auto, i fell no jerk, or maybe its just a lil bit i cant feel it MildLO, apparently the jerk isn't so bad in an auto car. I have never driven a Myvi though before so I wouldn't know. |
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Feb 22 2011, 04:00 PM
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hai guise.
contemplating on getting a BLM. M Line manual Anything that i need to take note of? |
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Feb 22 2011, 04:16 PM
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goodluck. some buyers complain that most SA dun provide BLM anymore as they are focusing on FL. |
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Feb 22 2011, 04:19 PM
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Feb 22 2011, 04:31 PM
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Feb 22 2011, 04:59 PM
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Feb 22 2011, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Feb 22 2011, 04:16 PM) ericmaxman that bad goodluck. some buyers complain that most SA dun provide BLM anymore as they are focusing on FL. QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 04:19 PM) hi bro, are u getting a old blm or new fl? if new fl got 2 version only, the standard (S) or executive (E) Second hand 2008 modelQUOTE(koh_424 @ Feb 22 2011, 04:31 PM) Old saga blm actuallyThis post has been edited by ericmaxman: Feb 22 2011, 05:03 PM |
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Feb 22 2011, 05:08 PM
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Feb 22 2011, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM) Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue. VS help a little, because during compressor on, there are some voltage dip, VS can help to minimised the voltage dip, but the loss is mainly due to mechanical rather than electrical, so you might not be able to notice the improvement.Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in? Added on February 22, 2011, 5:20 pm QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM) Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM). So far noticed on Myvi, Camry, Altis. City light will dim when compressor kickin, i would say almost all cars. But this is normal, in real world, sudden current suck will cause the voltage to drop, thats why we have Vdroop in PC CPU, and compensator to auto compensate the voltage drop. Unfortunate our cheap BLM didn't come with this equipment.So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk. I drove Myvi manual before, jerk like hell in low gear as well, which is same as BLM. But not for BLM auto and Myvi auto. My guess is the torque converter 'absorb' the sudden kick from the compressor, thats why the jerking feel is minimized, but it also fulfill the theory that torque converter is less efficient in torque transferring compare to manual clutch, isn't it? This post has been edited by coolkwc: Feb 22 2011, 05:20 PM |
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Feb 22 2011, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 09:10 AM) VS help a little, because during compressor on, there are some voltage dip, VS can help to minimised the voltage dip, but the loss is mainly due to mechanical rather than electrical, so you might not be able to notice the improvement. Yes VS sure will help little. But still feel the car is hard to push when aircond kick in. Mayb due to our BLM compressor version is bigger so it takes more voltage to generate. |
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Feb 22 2011, 05:23 PM
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Feb 22 2011, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 05:23 PM) Sorry to say that the steering cover is suck in nature, it vibrate and come out noise when ride on bumpy road or speedline, i noticed this one after few days i got my car. Solution? i open that cover and insert a lot of sponges in the empty space, problem solve immediately. Don't hope the SC can help you, replace with new one absolutely won't help. |
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