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 PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11, version eleven

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post Feb 21 2011, 11:01 PM

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thanks for posting the crash video. at least now i know the place i need to worry the most for an accident are my knees mostly.

also, al-fatihah.
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post Feb 22 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 21 2011, 09:59 PM)
hi,

sorry to ask for the second time,when i on the aircond when slowing down, i hear sound like "gruk!" and then grek2 a while and then all ok, it is ok right? the gruk2 sound and grek2.. sweat.gif
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Your description is funny, like bomb explosion.

Normal 'gud'...

This compressor is damn powerful, but break in torque is very high, around 35Nm of torque consume to start the compressor, which is mechanical loss, and suitable for 1600cc and above car, but not our 1.3 campro.

During slowdown let say @ <2k rpm, our engine only produce ~90-100Nm torque, thats why when compressor kickin, you will feel jerk (especially manual), torqueless becos >30% torque suddenly took away by compressor.
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post Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM

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Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue.

Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in?
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post Feb 22 2011, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 12:09 PM)
Your description is funny, like bomb explosion.

Normal 'gud'...

This compressor is damn powerful, but break in torque is very high, around 35Nm of torque consume to start the compressor, which is mechanical loss, and suitable for 1600cc and above car, but not our 1.3 campro.

During slowdown let say @ <2k rpm, our engine only produce ~90-100Nm torque, thats why when compressor kickin, you will feel jerk (especially manual), torqueless becos >30% torque suddenly took away by compressor.
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so sorry about my poor english notworthy.gif sweat.gif

ic, thanks for the explanation smile.gif , rignt now when i off the air cond (Dont use it), just now got sound like "gegar2" when im driving, its the sound of compressor or other thing longgar edy? sweat.gif the sound from the side front of the driver seat at engine bay,(i dont on the air cond) sound like gre kek kek ( sweat.gif )

sorry coz i ask too many question,this is my first car, i dont know a lot of thing about car, im still learning about it sweat.gif


Added on February 22, 2011, 2:05 pm
QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM)
Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue.

Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in?
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i google around if grounding can solve th problem, correct me if im wrong icon_question.gif

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post Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM

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Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM).

So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk.
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post Feb 22 2011, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM)
Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM).

So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk.
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i dont know much about car, but i agree with u about the jerk sweat.gif im driving my gf myvi auto dont have this kind of jerk laugh.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 03:15 PM

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no one can help my prob huh? thanks guys
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post Feb 22 2011, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(kibs @ Feb 22 2011, 03:15 PM)
no one can help my prob huh? thanks guys
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Accelerator pedal vibrating? It's an electronic throttle so there is no mechanical link with the engine. I don't understand how it can happen.

MildLO, apparently the jerk isn't so bad in an auto car. I have never driven a Myvi though before so I wouldn't know.

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post Feb 22 2011, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 03:21 PM)
Accelerator pedal vibrating? It's an electronic throttle so there is no mechanical link with the engine. I don't understand how it can happen.

MildLO, apparently the jerk isn't so bad in an auto car. I have never driven a Myvi though before so I wouldn't know.
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i drove my gf myvi auto, i fell no jerk, or maybe its just a lil bit i cant feel it sweat.gif ,feel a lil bit smooth and sound insulation i think is better than saga in my opinion hmm.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:00 PM

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hai guise.

contemplating on getting a BLM. M Line manual

Anything that i need to take note of?
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:16 PM

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goodluck. some buyers complain that most SA dun provide BLM anymore as they are focusing on FL.
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 22 2011, 04:00 PM)
hai guise.

contemplating on getting a BLM. M Line manual

Anything that i need to take note of?
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hi bro, are u getting a old blm or new fl? if new fl got 2 version only, the standard (S) or executive (E) smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 22 2011, 08:00 AM)
hai guise.

contemplating on getting a BLM. M Line manual

Anything that i need to take note of?
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u r asking tis question base on the Saga FL version rite bro?
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 03:30 PM)
i drove my gf myvi auto, i fell no jerk, or maybe its just a lil bit i cant feel it sweat.gif ,feel a lil bit smooth and sound insulation i think is better than saga in my opinion hmm.gif
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of course no jerking on myvi
but after that dn't complain not cold...lulz

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post Feb 22 2011, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Feb 22 2011, 04:16 PM)
ericmaxman
goodluck. some buyers complain that most SA dun provide BLM anymore as they are focusing on FL.
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that bad ohmy.gif

QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 04:19 PM)
hi bro, are u getting a old blm or new fl? if new fl got 2 version only, the standard (S) or executive (E) smile.gif
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Second hand 2008 model

QUOTE(koh_424 @ Feb 22 2011, 04:31 PM)
u r asking tis question base on the Saga FL version rite bro?
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Old saga blm actually

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post Feb 22 2011, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 03:30 PM)
i drove my gf myvi auto, i fell no jerk, or maybe its just a lil bit i cant feel it sweat.gif ,feel a lil bit smooth and sound insulation i think is better than saga in my opinion hmm.gif
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Is your BLM auto or manual? Yes I tend to think that our sound insulation is a bit poor.
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post Feb 22 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM)
Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue.

Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in?
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VS help a little, because during compressor on, there are some voltage dip, VS can help to minimised the voltage dip, but the loss is mainly due to mechanical rather than electrical, so you might not be able to notice the improvement.


Added on February 22, 2011, 5:20 pm
QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM)
Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM).

So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk.
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So far noticed on Myvi, Camry, Altis. City light will dim when compressor kickin, i would say almost all cars. But this is normal, in real world, sudden current suck will cause the voltage to drop, thats why we have Vdroop in PC CPU, and compensator to auto compensate the voltage drop. Unfortunate our cheap BLM didn't come with this equipment.

I drove Myvi manual before, jerk like hell in low gear as well, which is same as BLM. But not for BLM auto and Myvi auto. My guess is the torque converter 'absorb' the sudden kick from the compressor, thats why the jerking feel is minimized, but it also fulfill the theory that torque converter is less efficient in torque transferring compare to manual clutch, isn't it? smile.gif

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post Feb 22 2011, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 09:10 AM)
VS help a little, because during compressor on, there are some voltage dip, VS can help to minimised the voltage dip, but the loss is mainly due to mechanical rather than electrical, so you might not be able to notice the improvement.
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Yes VS sure will help little. But still feel the car is hard to push when aircond kick in. Mayb due to our BLM compressor version is bigger so it takes more voltage to generate.
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 05:08 PM)
Is your BLM auto or manual? Yes I tend to think that our sound insulation is a bit poor.
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manual bro, i just got the car for 2-3 days before this, the stereng cover gegar a lil bit sweat.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(MildLO @ Feb 22 2011, 05:23 PM)
manual bro, i just got the car for 2-3 days before this, the stereng cover gegar a lil bit sweat.gif
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Sorry to say that the steering cover is suck in nature, it vibrate and come out noise when ride on bumpy road or speedline, i noticed this one after few days i got my car. Solution? i open that cover and insert a lot of sponges in the empty space, problem solve immediately. Don't hope the SC can help you, replace with new one absolutely won't help.

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