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MildLO
post Feb 20 2011, 01:36 PM

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Hi, im just bought a Saga Fl about a week ago,

i just want to ask a few questions about the air conditioner system..

What causes the sound of the front bonnet when i start the engine and then on the air conditioner and suddenly i hear sounds like kretakak?( i dont know what this sound) and vooooomm( sound of air cond right? sweat.gif )

the sound is a bout 5-10 seconds..and then it will dissappear/silent..., this happened when the engine in cold..

after i drive and then off the engine and on again (the air cond), there is no sound like i mention before, ("kretaktak"), the vooooooom sound is normal as i know its the sound of air conditioner (I think sweat.gif )

but some time i also hear the " kretaktak" sound when i drive and on the air conditioner, i think its the sound of the front bonnet holder loose.. it is right or other things?? sweat.gif

Each time i drive and on the air conditioner, it must feel like "tersengguk" or "shocked" some kind of oil suddenly stuck for a while ....

if i close the air conditioner, the sound will be ok and there is no tersengguk or shocked ..

What are the possible problem? sad.gif

is there something loose? sad.gif

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post Feb 20 2011, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 20 2011, 04:28 PM)
Normal.

That was aircon compressor kick in sound.

The 'shocked' feel is due to compressor kick in as well, because the compressor is too powerful to be used in such small cc engine.
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thanks for reply about my problem, as i google around, it is true about the air cond, thank bro for the confirmation,

new small problem occur which is i hear like a something vibrate on the front of my car bonnet, like tretetattakaka, i think something might be loose,before this no sound like this... sweat.gif

what do you aspect about this problem? sound insulation? or something loose? sweat.gif

i think want to go sc to check nod.gif
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post Feb 20 2011, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 20 2011, 06:30 PM)
did u slam abit the bonnet??
mean lift it higher be4 let it fall down
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hi bro, never slam it before, im open and lift it down slowly and then lock it down, coz its new, im still care about it wub.gif

dunno what the problems is, can the sc check it for me?
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post Feb 21 2011, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(enCORe @ Feb 21 2011, 12:43 PM)
Todays finding !!! shocking.gif
'Kereta terbakar, keluar cepat!'

The accident flame the car with 2x explosion  shocking.gif , ohmygosh. The accident was not fault by them!  mad.gif
READ MORE - (in BAHASA)

with my condolence for the family -alfatihah  sad.gif
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al-fatihah to the family... sad.gif
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post Feb 21 2011, 09:59 PM

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hi,

sorry to ask for the second time,when i on the aircond when slowing down, i hear sound like "gruk!" and then grek2 a while and then all ok, it is ok right? the gruk2 sound and grek2.. sweat.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 12:09 PM)
Your description is funny, like bomb explosion.

Normal 'gud'...

This compressor is damn powerful, but break in torque is very high, around 35Nm of torque consume to start the compressor, which is mechanical loss, and suitable for 1600cc and above car, but not our 1.3 campro.

During slowdown let say @ <2k rpm, our engine only produce ~90-100Nm torque, thats why when compressor kickin, you will feel jerk (especially manual), torqueless becos >30% torque suddenly took away by compressor.
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so sorry about my poor english notworthy.gif sweat.gif

ic, thanks for the explanation smile.gif , rignt now when i off the air cond (Dont use it), just now got sound like "gegar2" when im driving, its the sound of compressor or other thing longgar edy? sweat.gif the sound from the side front of the driver seat at engine bay,(i dont on the air cond) sound like gre kek kek ( sweat.gif )

sorry coz i ask too many question,this is my first car, i dont know a lot of thing about car, im still learning about it sweat.gif


Added on February 22, 2011, 2:05 pm
QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 01:43 PM)
Yes the air cond jerk is the most annoying thing about this car, especially in first or second gear. I tend to switch off the compressor while driving about in carparks due to this issue.

Any idea if a voltage stabiliser will help to minimise the jerk when the compressor kicks in?
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i google around if grounding can solve th problem, correct me if im wrong icon_question.gif

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post Feb 22 2011, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 02:11 PM)
Actually based on coolkwc's explanation the jerk is due to the sudden load of torque transferred to the compressor while kicking in. I only suggested the voltage stabiliser because on other cars I notice that the headlights dip a bit too when the compressor kicks in (dunno about our BLM).

So I'm guessing what's really needed is a clutch to transfer the torque gradually to the compressor? The car is still more than powerful enough for me when the compressor is running, but I really can't stand the jerk.
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i dont know much about car, but i agree with u about the jerk sweat.gif im driving my gf myvi auto dont have this kind of jerk laugh.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 03:21 PM)
Accelerator pedal vibrating? It's an electronic throttle so there is no mechanical link with the engine. I don't understand how it can happen.

MildLO, apparently the jerk isn't so bad in an auto car. I have never driven a Myvi though before so I wouldn't know.
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i drove my gf myvi auto, i fell no jerk, or maybe its just a lil bit i cant feel it sweat.gif ,feel a lil bit smooth and sound insulation i think is better than saga in my opinion hmm.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 22 2011, 04:00 PM)
hai guise.

contemplating on getting a BLM. M Line manual

Anything that i need to take note of?
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hi bro, are u getting a old blm or new fl? if new fl got 2 version only, the standard (S) or executive (E) smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Feb 22 2011, 05:08 PM)
Is your BLM auto or manual? Yes I tend to think that our sound insulation is a bit poor.
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manual bro, i just got the car for 2-3 days before this, the stereng cover gegar a lil bit sweat.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 05:36 PM)
Sorry to say that the steering cover is suck in nature, it vibrate and come out noise when ride on bumpy road or speedline, i noticed this one after few days i got my car. Solution? i open that cover and insert a lot of sponges in the empty space, problem solve immediately. Don't hope the SC can help you, replace with new one absolutely won't help.
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ic, thanks for the tips bro, just now i want to make sure what is gegar at the front of bonnet without on the air cond, im still searching where the sound come from laugh.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 22 2011, 05:47 PM)
Electric is just used to connect the compressor magnetic clutch to the flywheel, after all the compressor rotating power is supplier by engine torque, so there is nothing to do with compressor size or power. Our compressor is Sanden SD7H15, top of SD7 family, piston type, well known damn cold aircon, even better than famous Nippon Denso, you can go to search their main website. But the draw back is it need higher torque from the engine to drive it.

Maybe next time when ur compressor is kong, u can replace with relatively less powerful compressor such as SD7H13 or even SD7B10, i think is more than enough, because even now the ori compressor is damn powerful, >90% i only use hottest (lowest dial position) temp and slowest fan speed.


Added on February 22, 2011, 5:52 pm

I suspect something inside rather than outside ur car. If you can hear the bonnet sound then u need to be ready the bonnet will fly away at high speed. laugh.gif
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hehe tongue.gif ,not the bonnet bro, but i think its inside in front of the bonnet, i dunno bro, but the sound really near to the bonnet, sweat.gif , i check then i will tell about it nod.gif
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post Feb 24 2011, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Feb 23 2011, 02:31 PM)
What mean by 'loose'? I found it very 'tight'. sweat.gif
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yup same here, kinda of "tight",hehe, update about the sound,its not from inside the car, its the air cond sound, sweat.gif when on aircond, tak! and then tretetetetatete for a while and then gone edy,but some time the sound come again when driving and then magic gone laugh.gif the sound some time feel very annoying doh.gif
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post Feb 25 2011, 12:17 AM

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if i want to change to rim sport, 14 or 15 is ok for standard absorber? sweat.gif what brand (Sport rim) ok? total cost include tyre ? , thanks smile.gif

oh forgot,how to remove the scratch on the front bonet? my cat scratch it, i already use kit wax,but still there the scratch, any recommended product?

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post Mar 2 2011, 03:24 PM

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haiz.. i think my aircond compressor got problem...... sad.gif

the sound like tetetetatattetata repeatly too many times when i on the aircond and when the aircond is use, when im off the air cond, the sound dissapear.. sad.gif

the sound become more often to hear when im driving,before this not to often,

first use the car dont have this kind of sound,

i dunno maybe like something loose or i have no clue what the problem is sad.gif

my father said maybe the oil at compressor not sampai.. i dont know sad.gif



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post Mar 2 2011, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Mar 2 2011, 03:42 PM)
around 150-300


Added on March 2, 2011, 3:44 pm

your car still has warranty?
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still not even reach 1000km sad.gif
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post Mar 2 2011, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Mar 2 2011, 05:47 PM)
dun worry can claim warranty
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when reach 1000km for services, if got the problem for the compressor, the service and change the item is free right? sad.gif
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post Mar 2 2011, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Mar 2 2011, 06:39 PM)
No problem la got warranty ma... nod.gif
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How long the warranty cover? 3 years? where i can get any brochure about it or link to the website?

thanks smile.gif
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post Mar 2 2011, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Mar 2 2011, 07:01 PM)
not sure about more kick or not, but noise reduction better


Added on March 2, 2011, 7:05 pm

the compressor / air cond repair/replacement should be free...

but for the 1k service, labour is free but need to pay for service item la..like engine oil..hehe
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Ic, thanks bro, for 1000km service, what items/part did they change? and how much they charge for the item? i want to know, worry kena tipu sweat.gif
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post Mar 2 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 2 2011, 08:26 PM)
Just oild filter + engine oil, no more than RM110.
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thanks bro icon_rolleyes.gif

i think around rm 200 something sweat.gif , do i need to make appointment for services or direct go to sc? smile.gif


Added on March 2, 2011, 9:44 pm
QUOTE(Aishinka @ Mar 2 2011, 09:38 PM)
If not mistaken mine was rm113/114 either one.
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thanks for the info icon_rolleyes.gif

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