I'm just a bit worried that the business of authentic and fake jersey will be a similar phenomenon to the business of original and pirated CD/DVD/ Blu Ray..

The thing is, many people do not know the bad effects of buying fake jersey..i remember jerseyman saying that those who are actually in the business of making fake jersey, abuse the worker who are tasked of making the jersey (or something like that, sorry jerseyman, cant remember) but its along those lines..they dont get paid as they should n its sort of an illegal labour work making fake jerseys..

the majority of those who buy fake jerseys dont know this..go and ask them and they will say 'why do u want to buy a Man United jersey for RM259 at ALI when we can get 'exactly' the same thing at uptown for RM40-80..ori grade and same thing same look..) some will even say better quality and stuff..they based t on the price but if they really know the 'behind-the-scenes' stuff of making fake jerseys, probably they would have a second thought..

Thats y i relate this authentic/fake jersey matter with the ori/pirate cd/dvd affair..majority of people buy the dvd at pasar malam or cd shops coz they say its so cheap and they get to see the same movie or hear the same songs as if they buy the ori stuff..but do they realise they are 'in the stealing' line with those cd pirates who make money off copying and selling the movies and songs that the singers or moviemakers have spent a lot on?

i dunno if i make myself clear but basically what im saying is that the public needs to be aware through some sort of campaign on authentic/fake jerseys before it is too late..sure there will always be people like us who will stick to the authentic stuff..but with the emergence of the ORI grade shirts, it might tempt more people to snub authentic jerseys and go for the ORI grade instead..i sure hope we do not see a day like that..

This post has been edited by dxjb: Sep 30 2010, 12:55 AM

Go to AL-Ikhsan & Real 1 at BB Plaza..rm5-rm10 they charge for the printing service...

Other choices such as Q-line or a shop operate by an auntie which locate one or two level above Q-line, couldn't recall the name, its business name is related to printing

Is this badge looks authentic?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-11-OFFICIAL-LFP-L...=item2c57bb207d

Yes, soccerauthentics is a reputable seller in Singapore, most of our members here buy from him.

I agree with most of your comments. But big corporations like adidas and nike are also famous for notoriously abusing the human rights of their workers in third world countries.

I may sound rude here, but I must then ask the question - anyone here downloads games / songs / movies illegally or buy pirated DVD / movies etc? You dont have to answer me, just ponder on it in your heart.

(NB: the below is just my 2 cents view from a general viewpoint and from the viewpoint of my profession and is meant as healthy discussion - not directed specifically to anyone at all.)

Sometimes it is easy to make justifications like

- "oh movie and songs different, because they charge exorbitant sums - why should I pay for ori when i get the pirated for much cheaper?";

- "but pirated movies and songs, or download sites etc - they do not use child labour etc - nothing immoral about their activities - in fact they are doing the masses a favour in making entertainment accessible"

The debate will never end. But debates are debates. If the society feels strongly about rigidity of IP rules, then the proper channel is to push their reps to change the law to "legalise" piracy etc.

But if not, then the point is a straightforward one - legality of one's act.

The problem I observe most, is the lack of understanding of IP rights. The public perception will always be "Wah how come RM259 for a shirt - I can get same quality for much less". And those fakes they buy are illegal goods - but even knowing it is illegal people still buy them. It shows a lack of respect or awareness towards IP rights. For better or worse, in a capitalist society like ours, IP rights are necessary to safeguard interest of the right owners (artists, designer, clubs, etc etc) and also to promote creativity etc.

In the case of jerseys, the IP rights are various - manufacturers like Nike / Adidas have rights over their logos and brands. The club has rights over their image and crest designs etc. So any profits derived from the sales will rightfully go to these IP owners. When it comes to supporting club teams, fans will be happy to know that the funds will go to the team and that the fans are directly helping out the team they support by purchasing official merchandise.

The one thing I cannot rationalise for ppl who buy fake kits is this - they claim to be die hard fan of a club, but they are doing acts which DIRECTLY affects their so-called supported clubs adversely - by buying from fakes, you are reducing the monies that are being channelled to your team, and in the long run would definitely have a huge impact on the club - monetarily or otherwise. If one cannot afford to buy official merchandise due to its price, then the next best thing to show you are a real supporter - is to NOT BUY any at all! This way, you are not hurting your club, and you can still rightfully claim to be a true fan or supporter.There is no rule that a supporter or fan has to buy merchandise. Merchandising is just that - to sell momentos to fans and to help generate income for club - its meant to be a win win for both fan and club.

Haha before I go further, just wanted to highlihgt the fact that what we lack here in Malaysia and even Asia in general, is the understanding, and respect for IP rights. I wont even want to dwelve into the state of affiars for the music / movie industry, which is really saddening and much worse than one imagine.

Cheers

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re hcosimo, yup SA is a reputable and established seller so no worries

I Bought Two For This Badge.

Any Recommend Staff In Ali-iklsan and Real One?

The Shop Nearby Q Line? Do They Know The Position of NNs Printing?

IINM, Ali should be Ahmad and R1 should be Daud....

Sorry to say, i not sure they have the ruler/template or not, my friend's used to print his retro NNs there, you may try to ask when you are there

It is advisable to bring photos of the shirt with NN (can use gettyimage) and show the staff there at ALI or R1 before applying. No one can claim to know everything on the positioning etc.

Hi CHer,
I share your sentiment and spot on.
Below is a link where some so called DIE HARD supporter proudly showing their AAA jersey in their club thread.
PATHETHIC And what a shame!


http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry36106910

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Added on September 30, 2010, 12:46 pmLook for Ahmad that long hair guy.He is the most senior staff and nice guy to deal with.

This post has been edited by beandy: Sep 30 2010, 12:47 PM

We say no to AA Jersey... we do also say no to personal attack.. (people buy AA or not?, really bother u?)
I do have friends who need to buy extra wardrobe to put their AUTHENTIC jersey, and i oso have friends who cannot afford to buy Ori jersey... here again... shall we look down at people?...

Sound offence to some people but wear Authentic jersey really put you in different class with other?.. That i really BIG SHAME...

Don't get me wrong.. i do not support pirate jersey... just that there is no need to purposely put a link here to attack people..

I attack hipocrites who pretend to be die hard while proudly showing fakes jersey.Looks like you are one of it.No need to pretend against AAA la...His your best forum mate we know.
What a shame to you ,your club,your mates!

This post has been edited by beandy: Sep 30 2010, 01:04 PM

i do not look down on any person. Life is about choices we make, and about one's belief and principles. If one believe that jerseys are overpriced for example, and buys fake to send a message, I cant say much (apart from the fact that it is a civil wrong ie an infringement of the owner's trade mark and copyrights actionable at the owner's own choice - if he does not pursue, the matter ends there)

My intention of the earlier post is to highlight that it is a long road ahead for Malaysians and in fact alot of Asians (apart from possibly only Japan) in general in accepting the concept of IP rights. So we should go back to basics in educating the public on importance of respecting IP rights before the problem can be "cured". The point is not about how wealthy or poor one is. It is about not doing anything illegal.

When one cannot afford to buy a car, doesnt mean one have to go steal a car. His dignity would be intact if he had not stole the car and in fact worked harder to earn more in order to buy his own car. No one would look down on him. At least no normal decent person. People would in fact respect him for adhering to strong moral principles.

Same here. As mentioned before, if you cannot afford the originals (I doubt som since most people who buy fakes buy TONNES of fake jerseys) then don have to buy them. U don have to "show support" by wearing jerseys bearing your favourite club etc - if you are a loyal supporter who follows the team passionately, you are already a true fan - no need to prove anything to anyone. Those who buy pirated shirts and claim to be loyal fans - these are just facts that i cannot reconcile thats all - how can u claim to love a club when u r the one stabbing them?

Again i reiterate apart from the leagility of such actions, I have nothing personal against anyone purchasing fakes. I will be upfront and say I am an IP lawyer, and I just feel professionally obliged to highlight some pertinent issues here and hope to shed some light over some issues as well on IP matters. I wont be a hipocrite and say I have not bought any pirated stuffs before - i have loads of CDs from my college days (which i have since disposed) - but I am changing and beginning to learn to change my mindset, (and in the process learn to embrace and respect the laws and IP rights of others) and I have not purchased any pirated items for the past 7 years.

Anyway, its all about learning about IP and respecting IP. No malice intended in my comments, they are all made in general terms only

Cheers

Accept your point.. my bad..

Hehe.. in Singapore, CD are cheap.. dont need to buy pirated one...

Again, please do get me wrong.. I'm not promoting fake jersey...(I dont even buy pirated CD oso)...

This thread is against the selling of fake/pirated kits, and as such, any acts promoting will be reported upon. As for the purchase of counterfeit goods, I think chcher's post nicely summarises the gist of such acts.

We will NOT tolerate any personal or general attacks, I believe it's one of the R&Rs of this sub-thread. Anyone reported will be acted upon swiftly by the moderating team, without prejudice. Do take note.

gettyimage.

where can i get?

hard to get clearer picture of football player.

here:

http://www.gettyimages.com/

no short cut bro, u have to do ur own search using certain keywords etc. one tip is instead of searching a particular players name, u can search his teammate's name instead and u may be able to find decent pictures of your intended player in the mix in the pics.

for eg, u want to find owen mu nn. u search for rooney mu, and the search may reveal pictures of rooney hugging owen with back facing camera (so u can see the nns) etc and wahla, u got ur pic. in a gist, go through it thoroughly. There is no shortcut, and this is in fact part of the fun of jersey collecting, ie researching info on a match, shirt worn, LS or SS, etc etc.

brilliantly said..coz eventhough we here are against people who buy fake jerseys, it does not give reason or justification for anyone to have a go at others or promoting hatred of others by launching personal attacks..u have been warned and it wont be tolerated again..

This post has been edited by dxjb: Sep 30 2010, 04:29 PM