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post Mar 5 2011, 03:36 AM

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any1 know when intel 510 will be in the market in msia?
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Corsair Unveils Flaming Red Force GT Series SATA 6 Gb/s SSDs

Corsair's best memory modules come under the Dominator line, the best Dominator modules are marked under Dominator GT, with their distinctive flaming red heatsinks. Corsair is looking to extend the "GT" marker even to its SSDs, and is ready with the Force GT line of 2.5-inch SATA 6 Gb/s SSDs. As you can see, the flaming red product scheme is carried over. Driven by the latest SandForce SF-2000 series controllers, Force GT offers read speeds of up to 520 MB/s, and 500 MB/s write speeds. It is available in number of capacities in the higher quadrant. At least the 240 GB model will be launched very soon.

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post Mar 7 2011, 01:46 PM

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OCZ Vertex 2 240GB SSD or Mushkin Enchanced Callisto Deluxe 240GB which 1 better?

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post Mar 8 2011, 12:02 PM

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guys is it worth for me to purchase

GEN2 X25 OEM 160GB INTEL SSD @ RM700 ?

the speed is

read speed 26x write 10x
access time only 0.1 MS

is it good?

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post Mar 8 2011, 05:02 PM

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It's good enough.

Take a look at the following graphs:

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It may have slower raw write speeds, but for the "average" workload, it has more than good enough performance.

The only downside is that the Intel G3 is coming out in the next few months. It is hoped that their cost/GB is even lower and they will have somewhat better performance than the G2. Read/write: G2's 250/100 vs G3's 250/170. They'll lose to current generation performance SSDs which can hit past 500MB/s, but if Intel can drive their prices down, their G3s can still be made into bargain buys for 80% of the market.
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QUOTE(everling @ Mar 8 2011, 05:02 PM)
It's good enough.

Take a look at the following graphs:

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It may have slower raw write speeds, but for the "average" workload, it has more than good enough performance.

The only downside is that the Intel G3 is coming out in the next few months. It is hoped that their cost/GB is even lower and they will have somewhat better performance than the G2. Read/write: G2's 250/100 vs G3's 250/170. They'll lose to current generation performance SSDs which can hit past 500MB/s, but if Intel can drive their prices down, their G3s can still be made into bargain buys for 80% of the market.
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so i shouldnt buy it now? tongue.gif
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post Mar 8 2011, 05:57 PM

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Unless the traders can give you an idea on when to expect OEM versions, don't expect to buy a G3 for ~RM700 shortly after release. It really depends on your situation. If you want an SSD now, buy. If you can afford to wait, be prepared to wait up to six months. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(everling @ Mar 8 2011, 05:57 PM)
Unless the traders can give you an idea on when to expect OEM versions, don't expect to buy a G3 for ~RM700 shortly after release. It really depends on your situation. If you want an SSD now, buy. If you can afford to wait, be prepared to wait up to six months. tongue.gif
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i'm in exactly this situation. to buy now or to wait. i'm thinking the best i couod hope for by waiting is to get the g3 160gb at roughly the same price as today's oem from owikh... is that logical? since i'll be using it in a laptop with only sata 2 there wont be much difference in performance... right?
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post Mar 9 2011, 04:37 AM

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In terms of effectively using the raw power, you are correct.

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Next up is PCMark Vantage, another system-wide performance suite. For those of you who aren’t familiar with PCMark Vantage, it ends up being the most real-world-like hard drive test I can come up with. It runs things like application launches, file searches, web browsing, contacts searching, video playback, photo editing and other completely mundane but real-world tasks. [...] Any performance impacts here would most likely be reflected in the real world.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4186/ocz-ver...ocused-sf2200/9

Vertex 3, faster than the G2 by 2x, but only 20% better scores. tongue.gif

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SYSMark 2007 isn't nearly as demanding on the storage subsytem so we're mostly bottlenecked elsewhere.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4186/ocz-ver...cused-sf2200/10

Vertex 3, faster than the G2 by 2x, but only 5% better scores and just 9% faster than a Velociraptor. tongue.gif

These two are the general use benchmarks. The other benchmarks used are mostly focused on HDD-bounded tasks to show better results, all on a desktop. With a laptop, you are more likely to be bounded by the CPU, so you are better served by buying the largest capacity for the cheapest price that you budget for. There are exceptions of course, like a programmer that compiles huge programs, which can be 100% faster because of the massive random reads and writes.

As for hoping for a 50% price cut, it has happened once before with the transition from the G1 to the G2. However, I don't know how long the transition took.


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I'm planning to get 120gb ssd soon. which one is better in terms of performance and power consumption? will use it on my lappie..

Corsair F120 or OCZ Vertex 2 120gb?

thaks in advance.
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QUOTE(guy73 @ Mar 9 2011, 11:49 PM)
I'm planning to get 120gb ssd soon. which one is better in terms of performance and power consumption? will use it on my lappie..

Corsair F120 or OCZ Vertex 2 120gb?

thaks in advance.
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serupa tapi tak sama.. i f not mistaken both is based off the same sandforce chip i think...


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just brought intel X25V 40gb biggrin.gif
cant wait to use it
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QUOTE(guy73 @ Mar 9 2011, 11:49 PM)
I'm planning to get 120gb ssd soon. which one is better in terms of performance and power consumption? will use it on my lappie..

Corsair F120 or OCZ Vertex 2 120gb?

thaks in advance.
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Should you decide to purchase the Vertex 2 make sure that the model is not
OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G

Check the barcode on the box, make sure it's this one, without the 'E'.
OCZSSD2-2VTX120G

Not sure about the Corsair SSDs but I'd avoid OCZ for now... at least the 120GB models.
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Added on March 10, 2011, 8:34 pmBTW, here's an interesting guide from the staff at OCZ forums:
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Intel X18-M G2 160GB x2 raid0
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LOL the access time lesser than 0.1ms summore sweat.gif
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Guys I'm getting an ssd drive for my CULV laptop soon. Got any recommendation for 60gb ssd? Is Mushkin callisto 60GB is a good buy at RM420? or should I get Vertex 2 or Force F60 instead?
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Hi guys,

I was checking thru some bargain that my reseller offer to me:

OCZ Agility 2 2.5" 60gb SSD (OCZSSD2-2AGTE60G) @RM 4xx

or

OCZ Vertex 2 2.5" 60gb SSD (OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G) @RM 4xx + RM10

or

OCZ Onxy 2.5" 64gb (OCZSSD2-1ONX64G) @RM 3xx




Based on some of the charts that was posted by "everling" forumer, it seems that the Agility performance is much faster. So, it should be better for me to grab the agility version ? Was told that it had MTBF of 2 million hours. thumbup.gif

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post Mar 14 2011, 03:27 PM

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The MTBF isn't really meaningful for SSDs. Two million hours is 228 years.

This doesn't take into account of the fact that there is at least a 1-4% RMA rate for SSDs today.

This also doesn't take into account of the fact that data stored on SSDs will be lost after roughly ten years due to charge degradation. You'll need to "refresh" the stored data by rewriting it if you wish to keep the data beyond ten years. (Of course, by ten years, there should be much superior and cheaper SSD products to replace your creaking old SSD.)

This also doesn't take into account of the fact that there is a closer usage limit, the number of times you can write to an SSD. 10,000 times for the first generation, ~5,000 times for the 3x nm Flash, and ~3,000 times for the 2x nm flash. (Although it really isn't a concern for consumers at this time. Practically no one should hit that limit with normal usage.)

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QUOTE(everling @ Mar 14 2011, 03:27 PM)
The MTBF isn't really meaningful for SSDs. Two million hours is 228 years.

This doesn't take into account of the fact that there is at least a 1-4% failure rate for SSDs today.

This also doesn't take into account of the fact that data stored on SSDs will be lost after roughly ten years due to charge degradation. You'll need to "refresh" the stored data by rewriting it if you wish to keep the data beyond ten years. (Of course, by ten years, there should be much superior and cheaper SSD products to replace your creaking old SSD.)

This also doesn't take into account of the fact that there is a closer usage limit, the number of times you can write to an SSD. 10,000 times for the first generation, ~5,000 times for the 3x nm Flash, and ~3,000 times for the 2x nm flash. (Although it really isn't a concern for consumers at this time. Practically no one should hit that limit with normal usage.)
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Thanx for the very good insight. I'm actually planning to replace my lappy's hdd to the ssd and see if there's any improvement in terms of performance for normal usage and light games like SC2. Currently doing my research on what is it like to use a ssd, ways to take care of it (from within software settings, as i heard its not very direct and simple to use) and also what to expect of its lifespan and such. Pricing wise, RM 4xx to 5xx is my target price, hopefully can get around 60gb is sufficient as i don't put in too much stuffs into my lappy.

I'm currently reading thru this thread for more ssd info, glad that u guys r so dedicated to put in the various infos that are so useful. Kudos to LYN members.
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post Mar 15 2011, 11:05 AM

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I had to rephrase my earlier statement about failure rates. I think they're more of RMA rates and not actual failure rates. People can RMA if they think the SSD is underperforming or for other reasons that has little to do with actual failure.

I had experienced one of the reasons before, when HD Tune reported my SSD to be underperforming, but tests on another machine shows it to be performing as expected. Then I did the file benchmarks on my own machine and it performed as expected, but it is still slow on the main read benchmark. I have no idea why it is like that.



For laptop use, my standing recommendation is to prioritise capacity over performance. 500MB/s read/write isn't going to help you if you run out of space on your 64GB. The situation is better if your laptop has a Thunderbolt, e-SATA, USB 3.0 or Firewire port that you can use. Otherwise working over a USB 2.0 connection is just pure pain.

Unfortunately there aren't any high capacity SSDs in the RM400-RM500 range, but there are some options in the RM500-RM600 range. Listed below are some SSDs in the current RM400-RM600 range, ordered by cost/GB.
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Name                Company     Capacity    Read    Write   Cost    Cost/GB

Kingston V          Viewnet     128         200     110     599.00   4.68
Kingston V+         Viewnet     96          230     180     549.00   5.72
Kingston SV100+     PC Zone     96          230     180     559.00   5.82
Intel X25-M         Viewnet     80          250     100     559.00   6.99
Intel X-25M         PC Zone     80          250     100     569.00   7.11
Corsair F60         Viewnet     60          285     275     439.00   7.32
OCZ Vertex 2        Viewnet     60          285     275     439.00   7.32
Corsair F60         PC Zone     60          285     275     439.00   7.32
Corsair F60         C-Zone      60          285     275     449.00   7.48
Mushkin E.C.DLX     C-Zone      60          285     275     449.00   7.48
OCZ Vertex 2        C-Zone      60          285     275     449.00   7.48
Kingston V 100      Viewnet     64          230     180     489.00   7.64
OCZ Vertex 2        C-Zone      40          280     270     409.00  10.23



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