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Investment KINRARA RESIDENCE [OWNERS' THREAD], Lifestyle landed homes from Mah Sing

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post Dec 12 2012, 07:31 PM

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Most of the BKs zone hv formed theirs' respective RA, there are bout 10 of them, we (BK4) formed our RA in 2000, BK5 Selatan formed in 2002, BK5B in 2003, all started quite "o.k", after a series of fund raising hardwork, we managed to secure 62% of residents to join the guarded security programme, both BK5 manage to achieve 50%++, fr the 1 day of the security operation, the number of members has dropped gradually to 45% after 4-5 years, both BK5 even drop below 40%.
Last month, BK4 RA was officially dissolved, no more guards patrolling anymore. BK5 (1/3 members) is struggling at the moment. Quality neighborhood is very important to ensure the prosperity of a Taman.

KR starts off with security services, I believe every house purchaser is aware of the responsibility to bear the maintenance cost, greater awareness as compared to those BK areas.

My house was broken in when I stay in BK4 (alarm installed). My maid was "stolen" by the agency this year in BK5B, I lost 11K, too many incidents happened in BK. doh.gif

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QUOTE(froglai88 @ Dec 13 2012, 05:23 AM)
Thx for sharing. Is KR G&G ? No doubt security service is a MUST now a day, but I recog quality security r far more important. However, quality stuffs come wont come cheap, u pay wat u get.. hehe.  hmm.gif

Wat is d maintanance fees in KR ?
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KR - Link House - Guarded + Fenced (Individual Title) - Common area maintained by MPSJ - RM150/mth
KR - SD / Bungalow - G+G (Strata Title) - B/up sf charge

I hv surveyed many townships in KV, it shows that the better the maintenance quality is, the greater appreciation that a property value will be. Imagine if you extract a link Hse out fr Desa Parkcity and "plant" it in nearby old Kepong Taman, what could be the house value be now? The different in value is RM700K!
I dun expect all KR residents are cooperative, because of the Mahajaya issue, I can see some issues will arise but it can be solved. nod.gif

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Dec 13 2012, 08:46 AM)
I agreed, quality of the neighbourhood is more impartant than lease or free hold.

My area RA is very strong and hardworking, they work hard to secure at least of the residents to pay the security. After few years they manage to save some money and install auto gate. Very good job from RA to improve the security. After the autogate i can see the pay residents go up to 70-80%. however this has cause unconvienient to non pay resident and their visitor. There is one guy keep complaining to majlis to take action on gate and guard system, frequent complain from the guy force majlis no choice but to act according to rules and given notice to our RA to uninstall the gate and dismiss the guards. Now my RA feel upset after all the hardwork and get this kind of results, they all given up and all want to resign from their post. Few weeks later my area got no gate no guards becoz of one guy, i will be planning to move out if that really happened.

Conclusion is if the area didnt start as gng it will make it difficult to make it as gng later dependent on how is your neighbourhood quality and what do they think ...
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I can assure you that every Taman has these good person. I wouldn't say he is wrong because he has his stand to object, not all people feel unsafe like us

SKVBB, come to KR to staylah.. notworthy.gif

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post Dec 13 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Dec 13 2012, 10:05 AM)
UFO Kor.

What is the best comparison with KR in terms of G+G and F+G security in area of Puchong stretch to Bukit Jalil??

I dislike the RA founding bcz like nkhong kor said, its hard to please every owners to unite together to pay and work together. It could be destroy all the good and hardworks if the maintenance is not done properly or not all residents stand to support the form of RA.
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The similar product type to KR is Lake Edge

Puchong - BJ, few types

Normal Taman = Individual Title (Freehold / leasehold)

1. Normal Taman - No guard + No RA
2. Normal Taman - Got guard + No RA
3. Normal Taman - Guarded + RA + No fence
4. Normal Taman - Guarded + RA + Fence + No DMC
5. Normal Taman - Guarded + RA + Fence + DMC + No Club house Facilities
6. Normal Taman - Guarded + RA + Fence + DMC + Club house Facilities (KR & Lake Edge)
7. G+G (KR SD + Bungalow)


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post Dec 14 2012, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Dec 13 2012, 09:56 PM)

Added on December 13, 2012, 9:58 pm

Tarak luit la taikor  sad.gif  ...
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Neo|ofGeo @ Dec 14 2012, 08:02 AM)
Huhu this is unfortunately news indeed as BK6B will have its security dissolve by next month/2013

the additional complain by BK8 already a problem and add up only certain percentage pay while other don't or only half.
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Every RA has 4 main problems to solve :-

1. Membership
2. Cocky resident
3. Collection - Who to collect the fees? We started to collect ourselves, appointing representative to take care each road, after 1 yr everybody lazy and we pass to one school bus uncle to collect, he charge RM3/house (quarterly), also got people complaint, uncle also faces lots of problems collecting, he then resigned followed by membership drop then close shop.

4. Volunteer to be the committee member, once you are elected, you will be there forever, jialat! The worse thing is during AGM meeting, some very "smart and clever" member ask many "tricky" questions, normally on account issue. They will question the accountability of the RA, but when you ask he/she to take up the RA treasury post, he dun want. doh.gif

I foresee KR RA will face problem 4 only, the rest shd be minor. But after certain years (3-10 years), when service charge is no longer enough to cover the operation cost, it a a battle to request for increment. Many condo buyers still think that service charge rate will be fixed forever, dun be surprise!


Added on December 14, 2012, 10:25 am
QUOTE(froglai88 @ Dec 14 2012, 08:36 AM)
For 4, 5, 6 and 7, if someone complaint, can it b ordered to remove like those unfortunate taman ?
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5,6,7 safe

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QUOTE(rocklee88 @ Dec 14 2012, 11:20 AM)
Only 7 is immune to complaint because it is strata title and proper gated and guarded. The rest, even with DMC, the roads are still public properties and if really challenged, those roads have to be opened, DMC or not. DMC is among the residents only. Cannot close the roads for public access. Correct me if I am wrong please.
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Correct.

There is no perfect system so far, although G+G is a complete gated concept, the common areas are belongs to the residents, that's why they need to pay higher service charge. I try to avoid G+G as the maintenance cost is very high for landed property, imagine even many G+G strata condos (with small common area) also face insufficient fund problem, it will even severe in landed area.

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QUOTE(rocklee88 @ Dec 14 2012, 12:38 PM)
There is a trade off between density and cost. For those gated and guarded with higher density like link house, maintenance charges are lower compared to those with a lot of landscaping or bungalows/smds because less units to bear costs. The lesser the density, the higher the per unit maintenance costs, just like in condos.

Also, for G+G, there is value in the land forming common areas. Residents actually jointly own the land.
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Developer must explain to G+G purchaser that those service charges are not only for security guards fees and club house maintenance, grass trimming, pole holes, painting etc. some buyers really dun understand the concept.
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(rocklee88 @ Dec 14 2012, 02:42 PM)
Yes, some of the attitude of Malaysians are like SHIT. Always stingy to pay small small amount and yet want to enjoy security etc. Fxxed up mentality. If the taman is kept nice and clean with good security, property value will appreciate and yet these ppl do not want to pay! They are shooting themselves on their own foot.
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Selfish...many are like that. Some even highly educated.
Not mean to be harsh, certain people really Not qualified to be G+G (Condo / Landed) owners. smile.gif
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post Dec 14 2012, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Dec 14 2012, 08:47 PM)
+1, spend money to make more money ...
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post Dec 18 2012, 07:12 PM

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I am in the process to renovate my house now, has been considering a few options, my ex-neighbor is also considering to join me too, hopefully can negotiate a better price.
I ma quite satisfy with the quality and workmanship.
I was told that the swimming can be used already, anyone heard that?
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(siewkum @ Dec 19 2012, 12:15 AM)
Hi UFO, have you gotten the key and inspection?  I would be quite interested to explore on a budget basis...
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Not yet. Next week.

Renovating house is always very headache, as an agent, I used to see my buyers who falls into contractor's trap which end up with over budgeting. In the past we usually over budget 30%-50% when we renovate our house, in most recent yrs, many house owners hv incurred 50%-100% above budget.
My Fren who bought a SD in Putra Permai 4 yrs ago decided to appoint a few contractors & suppliers to renovate his house, it end up he spent 100% over budget and the house isn't that nice either.
I am still searching for a right designer / contractor to work for me
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QUOTE(allwerp @ Dec 19 2012, 01:34 AM)
how about the panel contractors for ID,renovation and furnishing???are they any good?
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Noe ID, Architect & Contractor (CIA) mostly work hand in hand already, it is a good move.
I always encourage my buyer who own bigger house I.e Bungalow, SD, 3-Storey SUPERLINK, 0-Lot to seek for CIA option, the reason is :-
1. House too big, not easy to design ourselves
2. ID has better design, more up to date selection and provide better idea
3. CIA has better control on costing and they know where to source for cheaper quotation
4. Architect knows the sequence of construction, safe time and hassle
5. It is easier to talk to single person than few suppliers

However if the house is not very big like condo, terrace and townhouse, indeed owner can just copy some ideas fr magazine, IKEA, show house and appoint a contractor to do it.
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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 19 2012, 10:51 AM)
Congrates all. Just for sharing. I have done up the 3d modelling for 3ssl using google sketchup.
Maybe someone here can pick it up and put in some reno and furnishing ideas.

The model is built based on the photos supplied by yunalesca in this thread (page 127) plus the floor plan.
Since I didn't manage to get onsite measurements, the values are not 100% accurate but should be sufficient for its purpose. The accessories (windows frame, toiletery) are not exactly matching but close.

Files are pretty big. So pm me your email and i can send. Attached herein some screen shots...

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ground floor - top view

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ground floor - front, top right (wall and plaster ceiling pulled away)

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ground floor - left view

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ground floor - in the house facing main door

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ground floor - in front looking through window

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1st floor - front view (ceiling pulled away) ... pls note that the actual unit, room at the back (right side) has got no plaster ceiling but I forgot to remove from this model. I only came to understand why they included for the room on the left when I do this model (it's because the ceiling crossed into the stairs to get to 2nd floor, so it has to be covered)

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1st floor - left view (ceiling pulled away)

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1st floor - right back view (ceiling covered)

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1st floor - front view (ceiling covered)

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1st floor - back left view (ceiling covered)

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2nd floor - top right view (ceiling pulled away)

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2nd floor - top left view (ceiling pulled away, walls pulled down). this one here, I try to suggest that after we fit in furniture, walls can be pulled down for determining space usability and practicallity
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Great effort!! TQ!


Added on December 19, 2012, 12:12 pm
QUOTE(froglai88 @ Dec 19 2012, 11:21 AM)
UFO kor, nvr know u r an agent.  Anyway, do u sell KR ? If u do, can I contact u when I go to KL ? So far only search thru iProp..  tongue.gif
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You are always welcome. I know BK / KR / Bkt Jalil very well. FOC advice for you!

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QUOTE(froglai88 @ Dec 19 2012, 01:05 PM)
Thx in advance... mayb you can find me a below market value KR for me... rclxms.gif
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You stand a chance to bargain, frankly I am not sure the mkt price also, it is determined by willing buyer and willing seller basis,, it mkt really bad, if can be 1.1 mil, it less than 5% is selling, I believe price can be transacted at 1.5 mil.


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QUOTE(ParagonHeights @ Dec 19 2012, 04:36 PM)
lower then expected..
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Valuer is more conservative, sometimes they dun understand the market also.

Valuer - Judge the value based on "mkt theory"
Agent - Judge the value based on "mkt response"
Banker - No ability to judge the value, they only follow Valuer / developer's instruction
Seller - Their selling price is determined by their holding power

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QUOTE(Antzfield @ Dec 19 2012, 07:28 PM)
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QUOTE(froglai88 @ Dec 20 2012, 07:43 AM)
Search thru iProp yesterday, found a 3ssl asking 1.12m, whereas others ard 1.3m.. just wondering is this another agency trick ?  hmm.gif
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Could be T-Junction unit...


Added on December 20, 2012, 9:05 am
QUOTE(FlyingJoy @ Dec 20 2012, 03:31 AM)
Hi all Sifus,

KR 3SSL is my first property purchase and seeking for your comment on recent i have discovered that the Bank has released full 100% loan amount to TMS already!

My question is that it's normal procedure on this even till date i didn't meet up with TMS representative to receive the unit house key yet and sign anything...?

I thought the legal side will hold remaining 5% (guess some % as i not sure of it) till i make appointment with developer and sign the doucment then will release balance.

If in thise case, is that means i need to serve full amount interest $ of loan figure but not the first monthly installment tlll i sign the receving documeny.....?

Hope Sifus guide me on above query....

Massive thnaks.....
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SCHEDULE G

THIRD SCHEDULE

SCHEDULE OF PAYMENT OF PURCHASE PRICE

Instalments Payable % Amount
1) 10% Immediately upon the signing of this Agreement 10 RM

Within twenty one (21) working days after receipt by the Purchaser of the Vendor's written notice of the completion of:-

2) 10% (a) the work below ground level including piling and foundation of the said Building comprising the said Parcel 10 RM
3) 15% (b) the reinforced concrete framework and floor slab of the said Parcel 15 RM
4) 10% © the walls of the said Parcel with door and window frames placed in position 10 RM
5) 10% (d) the roofing/ceiling,electrical wiring, plumbing (without fittings), gas piping (if any)and internal telephone trunking and cabling to the said Parcel 10 RM
6) 10% (e) the internal and external plastering of the said Parcel 10 RM
7) 5% (f) the sewerage works serving the said Building 5 RM
8) 5% (g) the drains serving the said Building 5 RM
9) 5% (h) the roads serving the said Building 5 RM
10) 12.5% 3. On the date the Purchaser takes possession of the said Parcel with water and electricity supply ready for connection to the said Parcel 12.5 RM
11) 2.5% 4. Within twenty-one (21)working days after receipt by the Purchaser of the written confirmation of the Vendor 's submission to and acceptance by the Appropriate Authority of the application for subdivision of the said Building 2.5 RM

On the date the Purchaser takes vacant possession of the said Parcel as in item 3 and to be held by the Vendor 's solicitor as stakeholder for payment to the Vendor as follows - 5 RM
12) 2.5% (a) two point five per centum (2.5%)at the expiry of six (6)months after the date the Purchaser takes vacant possession of the said Parcel RM
13) 2.5% (b) two point five per centum (2.5%)at the expiry of eighteen (18)months after the date the Purchaser takes vacant possession of the said Parcel RM
TOTAL 100 RM



Note : -
Upon Developer receive the CFO - Sijil Kelayakan Menduduki Bangunan, form Property Management (For Condo)
about 2 weeks time - Developer will issue VP
Then Bank has to settle the 12.5% to developer + last 5% (issue to lawyer as stakeholder)
after the developer receive the payment - Then will issue letter of Clearance to the Purchaser, then arrange for viewing and take key
The last 2.5% is pending for subdivision of title (strata title) - when developer present the application - then within 21 working days - bank to settle to developer
Yr 1st monthly installment shd start fr January / February 2013


Hope it helps

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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 21 2012, 11:54 AM)
Thanks allwerp!! I managed to get to Ms Soo Lee.

She was kind enough to explain the situation (let me lay them down):
* late interest are being charged because mah sing indeed receive the payment(s) later than permitted period; it's a policy set in their system and can't be avoided
* however, mah sing understand the actual situation that purchaser / financier may not be blamed, because most delays was due to the duration needed for transfer of title (individual title has already been released way ahead of time to Mahajaya and transfer takes a lot of time; and payment can't be released to Mahsing because title not under their name)

So, she advice purchaser to send them a simple email requesting waiver for late interest (email should contain lot no., name, ic, contact no). The email will trigger their investigation and if all late interest was due to title-transfer-delay, they will be waived totally.
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QUOTE(ace77 @ Dec 21 2012, 02:03 PM)
Actually I dint have late interest charge and from all the reporting here, just don't pay that part will do.

But the critical q: do u all read the official postal address or not?

Taman Damai Utama... 47180 Puchong...

Not KR and all ur bills follow the postal adds.
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It is part of the Damai Utama project by Mahajaya, It is alright to me.
You may put Kinrara Residence (in brackets) after Tmn Damai Utama

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